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PrintableAaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: I seriously think that Janet wrote at least some of the lyrics of "Control" (in other words, at least some lyrics for ever song she is credited with) and I highly doubt that Celine has a writing credit to her name. I'm not a big fan of hers but I'm pretty sure that she never wrote anything and if she did, it was a few lines that somehow made it into a song. that's basically what i said. she hasn't written a word/note of her music, but her management demands that songs given to her get a writing credit, because the song probably wouldn't sell as much if it wasn't on her album. as for Janet, the same thing may be true of her Control (and some of the Rhythm Nation stuff), but as for who actually wrote it Jam and Lewis have given accounts of both of the things i've said: that the songs were meant for another singer, and that the stuff they did get from Janet, was just from talking to her and getting a feel for what she was going through, so they tailored the lyrics to her. I don't think that writers are willing to a give a some diva credit and their own money for no reason. But I could be wrong. I mean, if Jimmy and Terry really wrote those songs themseleves, why spilt it three ways? Yes, if it on a Celine album it will be a hit but they aren't going to give up royalities to a diva are they?
yes, because even giving Celine a writing credit, having it on her album (at least from the mid through late 90's) meant that they'd be making a HUGE fortune on the songs, even giving her a cut of it. now, this isn't the case with ALL of Celine's songwriters. for example, i believe the ones written by David Foster or Dianne Warren don't have a Celine writing credit, because their songs are always immensely popular anyway. however, for the lesser-known songwriters on her album, Celine's management demands that she be given a writing credit for the privelege of getting the song on her album. to keep it honest, though, she's only listed as a writer with the publishing companies and with those who actually collect the royalties, and does not take it to the step of putting it in the album sleeve. I'm sorry but I think you're kind of crazy becuase I just checked Allmusic.com and Celine doesn't have a writing credit to her name on there! I checked all of her English albums (I think...it's so confusing becuase she has some many damn collections and crap) and there is nohting with her name on it. The only time i heard her claim she wrote anything was on her Christmas album "These Are Speical Times" and there is nothing there (unless, and this is highly doubtful, she claims to have written some of the R. Kelly duet "I'm Your Angel" becuase it doesn't give songwriting credit on there but only points out it is a duet). Where are all these Celine written songs. BTW, how sad is it that I have at least two papers to research and I'm researching this crap! As for the Janet thing, that was a risk by Jimmy and Terry so considering her first two albums all but tanked (no songwriting credits on those) so I don't think they gave her songwriting credits becuase they thought it was going to be a hit. And how come people are thinking this only happens with women? Hmmm... | |
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Britney at 21: about to drop her 4th ablum
Madonna at 21: about to drop her pants posin for nude art Janet at 21: already released Control and was still actin' a prude I think there is undue pressure on Britney to be in full control of her sexuality | |
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Madonna...she's the slut of the millennium!  | |
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locoarts said: JANET!!!
I mean come on.. it is a total joke! Everything about her is Janet. Britney is Janet .. if Janet had a Stroke and couldn't sing or dance anymore..NOW Britney has no buzz anymore so she is rippin off Janet's Brother & she is putting out "Jacko" Stories. --- BUT we all know "they" dont want to admit that the white artist stole from the black artist.. look at almost every decade elvis = jackie wilson the osmonds = j5 madonna = prince & mj new kids on the block = new edition vanilla ice = hammer britney = janet every pop chick singer that doesn dance = mariah carey I love how Pop Culture / MTV / Magazines are trying to rewrite history with Madonna & slowly erase Prince & MJ. Michael Jackson erased himself when he became a white woman! And MTV gives him plenty of props. And if anything Madonna stole from Donna Summer and other black disco divas.  | |
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Britney isn't anything like Janet or Madonna. She does cop moves that both of them have made, but that's about the extent of it. 
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It's all Jackson to me! | |
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Snake said: Why does Brittany Spears play off the influence
Janet has over her sound and style? she's nothing Like Madonna in my eyes and borrows more from Janet. To me she wants to be Janet,but for career reasons is riding Madonna’s coattail instead.  | |
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VinnyM27 said: AaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: I seriously think that Janet wrote at least some of the lyrics of "Control" (in other words, at least some lyrics for ever song she is credited with) and I highly doubt that Celine has a writing credit to her name. I'm not a big fan of hers but I'm pretty sure that she never wrote anything and if she did, it was a few lines that somehow made it into a song. that's basically what i said. she hasn't written a word/note of her music, but her management demands that songs given to her get a writing credit, because the song probably wouldn't sell as much if it wasn't on her album. as for Janet, the same thing may be true of her Control (and some of the Rhythm Nation stuff), but as for who actually wrote it Jam and Lewis have given accounts of both of the things i've said: that the songs were meant for another singer, and that the stuff they did get from Janet, was just from talking to her and getting a feel for what she was going through, so they tailored the lyrics to her. I don't think that writers are willing to a give a some diva credit and their own money for no reason. But I could be wrong. I mean, if Jimmy and Terry really wrote those songs themseleves, why spilt it three ways? Yes, if it on a Celine album it will be a hit but they aren't going to give up royalities to a diva are they?
yes, because even giving Celine a writing credit, having it on her album (at least from the mid through late 90's) meant that they'd be making a HUGE fortune on the songs, even giving her a cut of it. now, this isn't the case with ALL of Celine's songwriters. for example, i believe the ones written by David Foster or Dianne Warren don't have a Celine writing credit, because their songs are always immensely popular anyway. however, for the lesser-known songwriters on her album, Celine's management demands that she be given a writing credit for the privelege of getting the song on her album. to keep it honest, though, she's only listed as a writer with the publishing companies and with those who actually collect the royalties, and does not take it to the step of putting it in the album sleeve. I'm sorry but I think you're kind of crazy becuase I just checked Allmusic.com and Celine doesn't have a writing credit to her name on there! I checked all of her English albums (I think...it's so confusing becuase she has some many damn collections and crap) and there is nohting with her name on it. The only time i heard her claim she wrote anything was on her Christmas album "These Are Speical Times" and there is nothing there (unless, and this is highly doubtful, she claims to have written some of the R. Kelly duet "I'm Your Angel" becuase it doesn't give songwriting credit on there but only points out it is a duet). Where are all these Celine written songs. BTW, how sad is it that I have at least two papers to research and I'm researching this crap! you aren't reading what i've said. what i said was that the sleeve notes are irrelevent when assigning credit. often, they are correct, but they aren't indicative of who's getting paid. research it a little deeper: either at the library of congress, or at ascap or bmi. she's listed as a songwriter on most of the songs she sings (except those by Dianne Warren and David Foster). As for the Janet thing, that was a risk by Jimmy and Terry so considering her first two albums all but tanked (no songwriting credits on those) so I don't think they gave her songwriting credits becuase they thought it was going to be a hit. And how come people are thinking this only happens with women? Hmmm...
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AaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: AaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: I seriously think that Janet wrote at least some of the lyrics of "Control" (in other words, at least some lyrics for ever song she is credited with) and I highly doubt that Celine has a writing credit to her name. I'm not a big fan of hers but I'm pretty sure that she never wrote anything and if she did, it was a few lines that somehow made it into a song. that's basically what i said. she hasn't written a word/note of her music, but her management demands that songs given to her get a writing credit, because the song probably wouldn't sell as much if it wasn't on her album. as for Janet, the same thing may be true of her Control (and some of the Rhythm Nation stuff), but as for who actually wrote it Jam and Lewis have given accounts of both of the things i've said: that the songs were meant for another singer, and that the stuff they did get from Janet, was just from talking to her and getting a feel for what she was going through, so they tailored the lyrics to her. I don't think that writers are willing to a give a some diva credit and their own money for no reason. But I could be wrong. I mean, if Jimmy and Terry really wrote those songs themseleves, why spilt it three ways? Yes, if it on a Celine album it will be a hit but they aren't going to give up royalities to a diva are they?
yes, because even giving Celine a writing credit, having it on her album (at least from the mid through late 90's) meant that they'd be making a HUGE fortune on the songs, even giving her a cut of it. now, this isn't the case with ALL of Celine's songwriters. for example, i believe the ones written by David Foster or Dianne Warren don't have a Celine writing credit, because their songs are always immensely popular anyway. however, for the lesser-known songwriters on her album, Celine's management demands that she be given a writing credit for the privelege of getting the song on her album. to keep it honest, though, she's only listed as a writer with the publishing companies and with those who actually collect the royalties, and does not take it to the step of putting it in the album sleeve. I'm sorry but I think you're kind of crazy becuase I just checked Allmusic.com and Celine doesn't have a writing credit to her name on there! I checked all of her English albums (I think...it's so confusing becuase she has some many damn collections and crap) and there is nohting with her name on it. The only time i heard her claim she wrote anything was on her Christmas album "These Are Speical Times" and there is nothing there (unless, and this is highly doubtful, she claims to have written some of the R. Kelly duet "I'm Your Angel" becuase it doesn't give songwriting credit on there but only points out it is a duet). Where are all these Celine written songs. BTW, how sad is it that I have at least two papers to research and I'm researching this crap! you aren't reading what i've said. what i said was that the sleeve notes are irrelevent when assigning credit. often, they are correct, but they aren't indicative of who's getting paid. research it a little deeper: either at the library of congress, or at ascap or bmi. she's listed as a songwriter on most of the songs she sings (except those by Dianne Warren and David Foster). As for the Janet thing, that was a risk by Jimmy and Terry so considering her first two albums all but tanked (no songwriting credits on those) so I don't think they gave her songwriting credits becuase they thought it was going to be a hit. And how come people are thinking this only happens with women? Hmmm...
this is actually what happened, according to Jam & Lewis. If that is what happened, then Jimmy and Terrry are stupid for still working with her! What is their problem? Sounds like someone got misqouted! And I'll check on the Celine thing again. I mean, if it isn't in plain view, then where did you find this stuff. | |
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VinnyM27 said: AaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: AaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: I seriously think that Janet wrote at least some of the lyrics of "Control" (in other words, at least some lyrics for ever song she is credited with) and I highly doubt that Celine has a writing credit to her name. I'm not a big fan of hers but I'm pretty sure that she never wrote anything and if she did, it was a few lines that somehow made it into a song. that's basically what i said. she hasn't written a word/note of her music, but her management demands that songs given to her get a writing credit, because the song probably wouldn't sell as much if it wasn't on her album. as for Janet, the same thing may be true of her Control (and some of the Rhythm Nation stuff), but as for who actually wrote it Jam and Lewis have given accounts of both of the things i've said: that the songs were meant for another singer, and that the stuff they did get from Janet, was just from talking to her and getting a feel for what she was going through, so they tailored the lyrics to her. I don't think that writers are willing to a give a some diva credit and their own money for no reason. But I could be wrong. I mean, if Jimmy and Terry really wrote those songs themseleves, why spilt it three ways? Yes, if it on a Celine album it will be a hit but they aren't going to give up royalities to a diva are they?
yes, because even giving Celine a writing credit, having it on her album (at least from the mid through late 90's) meant that they'd be making a HUGE fortune on the songs, even giving her a cut of it. now, this isn't the case with ALL of Celine's songwriters. for example, i believe the ones written by David Foster or Dianne Warren don't have a Celine writing credit, because their songs are always immensely popular anyway. however, for the lesser-known songwriters on her album, Celine's management demands that she be given a writing credit for the privelege of getting the song on her album. to keep it honest, though, she's only listed as a writer with the publishing companies and with those who actually collect the royalties, and does not take it to the step of putting it in the album sleeve. I'm sorry but I think you're kind of crazy becuase I just checked Allmusic.com and Celine doesn't have a writing credit to her name on there! I checked all of her English albums (I think...it's so confusing becuase she has some many damn collections and crap) and there is nohting with her name on it. The only time i heard her claim she wrote anything was on her Christmas album "These Are Speical Times" and there is nothing there (unless, and this is highly doubtful, she claims to have written some of the R. Kelly duet "I'm Your Angel" becuase it doesn't give songwriting credit on there but only points out it is a duet). Where are all these Celine written songs. BTW, how sad is it that I have at least two papers to research and I'm researching this crap! you aren't reading what i've said. what i said was that the sleeve notes are irrelevent when assigning credit. often, they are correct, but they aren't indicative of who's getting paid. research it a little deeper: either at the library of congress, or at ascap or bmi. she's listed as a songwriter on most of the songs she sings (except those by Dianne Warren and David Foster). As for the Janet thing, that was a risk by Jimmy and Terry so considering her first two albums all but tanked (no songwriting credits on those) so I don't think they gave her songwriting credits becuase they thought it was going to be a hit. And how come people are thinking this only happens with women? Hmmm...
this is actually what happened, according to Jam & Lewis. If that is what happened, then Jimmy and Terrry are stupid for still working with her! What is their problem? Sounds like someone got misqouted! And I'll check on the Celine thing again. I mean, if it isn't in plain view, then where did you find this stuff. stupid for Jam & Lewis? how so? she made them as much as they made her. personally, i'd rather giving her writing credit on a record sleeve and make millions of dollars than making minimum wage as a sometimes-member of the Time 
i researched the Celine stuff as an example for one of my media law courses. there was an article that was very informational back in... hmm. 1999 or so? and at the time, i had access to various databases to compare and contrast info from, including LOC archives and publishing information. i'd be more specific, but i moved recently, and a lot of my school stuff got left behind at my parents' house, so i don't have the reasearch/sources at hand. | |
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AaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: AaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: AaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: I seriously think that Janet wrote at least some of the lyrics of "Control" (in other words, at least some lyrics for ever song she is credited with) and I highly doubt that Celine has a writing credit to her name. I'm not a big fan of hers but I'm pretty sure that she never wrote anything and if she did, it was a few lines that somehow made it into a song. that's basically what i said. she hasn't written a word/note of her music, but her management demands that songs given to her get a writing credit, because the song probably wouldn't sell as much if it wasn't on her album. as for Janet, the same thing may be true of her Control (and some of the Rhythm Nation stuff), but as for who actually wrote it Jam and Lewis have given accounts of both of the things i've said: that the songs were meant for another singer, and that the stuff they did get from Janet, was just from talking to her and getting a feel for what she was going through, so they tailored the lyrics to her. I don't think that writers are willing to a give a some diva credit and their own money for no reason. But I could be wrong. I mean, if Jimmy and Terry really wrote those songs themseleves, why spilt it three ways? Yes, if it on a Celine album it will be a hit but they aren't going to give up royalities to a diva are they?
yes, because even giving Celine a writing credit, having it on her album (at least from the mid through late 90's) meant that they'd be making a HUGE fortune on the songs, even giving her a cut of it. now, this isn't the case with ALL of Celine's songwriters. for example, i believe the ones written by David Foster or Dianne Warren don't have a Celine writing credit, because their songs are always immensely popular anyway. however, for the lesser-known songwriters on her album, Celine's management demands that she be given a writing credit for the privelege of getting the song on her album. to keep it honest, though, she's only listed as a writer with the publishing companies and with those who actually collect the royalties, and does not take it to the step of putting it in the album sleeve. I'm sorry but I think you're kind of crazy becuase I just checked Allmusic.com and Celine doesn't have a writing credit to her name on there! I checked all of her English albums (I think...it's so confusing becuase she has some many damn collections and crap) and there is nohting with her name on it. The only time i heard her claim she wrote anything was on her Christmas album "These Are Speical Times" and there is nothing there (unless, and this is highly doubtful, she claims to have written some of the R. Kelly duet "I'm Your Angel" becuase it doesn't give songwriting credit on there but only points out it is a duet). Where are all these Celine written songs. BTW, how sad is it that I have at least two papers to research and I'm researching this crap! you aren't reading what i've said. what i said was that the sleeve notes are irrelevent when assigning credit. often, they are correct, but they aren't indicative of who's getting paid. research it a little deeper: either at the library of congress, or at ascap or bmi. she's listed as a songwriter on most of the songs she sings (except those by Dianne Warren and David Foster). As for the Janet thing, that was a risk by Jimmy and Terry so considering her first two albums all but tanked (no songwriting credits on those) so I don't think they gave her songwriting credits becuase they thought it was going to be a hit. And how come people are thinking this only happens with women? Hmmm...
this is actually what happened, according to Jam & Lewis. If that is what happened, then Jimmy and Terrry are stupid for still working with her! What is their problem? Sounds like someone got misqouted! And I'll check on the Celine thing again. I mean, if it isn't in plain view, then where did you find this stuff. stupid for Jam & Lewis? how so? she made them as much as they made her. personally, i'd rather giving her writing credit on a record sleeve and make millions of dollars than making minimum wage as a sometimes-member of the Time
i researched the Celine stuff as an example for one of my media law courses. there was an article that was very informational back in... hmm. 1999 or so? and at the time, i had access to various databases to compare and contrast info from, including LOC archives and publishing information. i'd be more specific, but i moved recently, and a lot of my school stuff got left behind at my parents' house, so i don't have the reasearch/sources at hand. You are definately more well read on the subject than I am so I guess I won't debate it. That is very dishearting to hear this about both these ladies (I never thought Celine wrote a note becuase she never talks about it and never appears to be given writing credits). Again, I would like to say that there is the possibility, with both women, that they added a few lyrics or ideas here and there and that is wh they have a writing credit. It's just pretty dissapointng that the "Control" album was fully relized. Also, why didn't Janet get a writing credit for songs like "The Pleasure Principale", which is fully credited to another The Time member, Monte Moir? Just wondering. | |
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VinnyM27 said: AaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: AaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: AaronUniversal said: VinnyM27 said: I seriously think that Janet wrote at least some of the lyrics of "Control" (in other words, at least some lyrics for ever song she is credited with) and I highly doubt that Celine has a writing credit to her name. I'm not a big fan of hers but I'm pretty sure that she never wrote anything and if she did, it was a few lines that somehow made it into a song. that's basically what i said. she hasn't written a word/note of her music, but her management demands that songs given to her get a writing credit, because the song probably wouldn't sell as much if it wasn't on her album. as for Janet, the same thing may be true of her Control (and some of the Rhythm Nation stuff), but as for who actually wrote it Jam and Lewis have given accounts of both of the things i've said: that the songs were meant for another singer, and that the stuff they did get from Janet, was just from talking to her and getting a feel for what she was going through, so they tailored the lyrics to her. I don't think that writers are willing to a give a some diva credit and their own money for no reason. But I could be wrong. I mean, if Jimmy and Terry really wrote those songs themseleves, why spilt it three ways? Yes, if it on a Celine album it will be a hit but they aren't going to give up royalities to a diva are they?
yes, because even giving Celine a writing credit, having it on her album (at least from the mid through late 90's) meant that they'd be making a HUGE fortune on the songs, even giving her a cut of it. now, this isn't the case with ALL of Celine's songwriters. for example, i believe the ones written by David Foster or Dianne Warren don't have a Celine writing credit, because their songs are always immensely popular anyway. however, for the lesser-known songwriters on her album, Celine's management demands that she be given a writing credit for the privelege of getting the song on her album. to keep it honest, though, she's only listed as a writer with the publishing companies and with those who actually collect the royalties, and does not take it to the step of putting it in the album sleeve. I'm sorry but I think you're kind of crazy becuase I just checked Allmusic.com and Celine doesn't have a writing credit to her name on there! I checked all of her English albums (I think...it's so confusing becuase she has some many damn collections and crap) and there is nohting with her name on it. The only time i heard her claim she wrote anything was on her Christmas album "These Are Speical Times" and there is nothing there (unless, and this is highly doubtful, she claims to have written some of the R. Kelly duet "I'm Your Angel" becuase it doesn't give songwriting credit on there but only points out it is a duet). Where are all these Celine written songs. BTW, how sad is it that I have at least two papers to research and I'm researching this crap! you aren't reading what i've said. what i said was that the sleeve notes are irrelevent when assigning credit. often, they are correct, but they aren't indicative of who's getting paid. research it a little deeper: either at the library of congress, or at ascap or bmi. she's listed as a songwriter on most of the songs she sings (except those by Dianne Warren and David Foster). As for the Janet thing, that was a risk by Jimmy and Terry so considering her first two albums all but tanked (no songwriting credits on those) so I don't think they gave her songwriting credits becuase they thought it was going to be a hit. And how come people are thinking this only happens with women? Hmmm...
this is actually what happened, according to Jam & Lewis. If that is what happened, then Jimmy and Terrry are stupid for still working with her! What is their problem? Sounds like someone got misqouted! And I'll check on the Celine thing again. I mean, if it isn't in plain view, then where did you find this stuff. stupid for Jam & Lewis? how so? she made them as much as they made her. personally, i'd rather giving her writing credit on a record sleeve and make millions of dollars than making minimum wage as a sometimes-member of the Time
i researched the Celine stuff as an example for one of my media law courses. there was an article that was very informational back in... hmm. 1999 or so? and at the time, i had access to various databases to compare and contrast info from, including LOC archives and publishing information. i'd be more specific, but i moved recently, and a lot of my school stuff got left behind at my parents' house, so i don't have the reasearch/sources at hand. You are definately more well read on the subject than I am so I guess I won't debate it. That is very dishearting to hear this about both these ladies (I never thought Celine wrote a note becuase she never talks about it and never appears to be given writing credits). Again, I would like to say that there is the possibility, with both women, that they added a few lyrics or ideas here and there and that is wh they have a writing credit. It's just pretty dissapointng that the "Control" album was fully relized. Also, why didn't Janet get a writing credit for songs like "The Pleasure Principale", which is fully credited to another The Time member, Monte Moir? Just wondering. that is a distinct possiblity, in the same way Madonna got minimal writing credits for Papa Don't Preach, Justify My Love, and Bedtime Story, for rearranging the lyrics and embellishing. as for the Pleasure Principle, that song may have been a late addition, as it is with a different Flyte Tyme producer, OR, he didn't agree to the same deal that Jimmy and Terry did as far as writing credits go. btw, Janet, Jimmy and Terry around the time of Velvet Rope, also mentioned that for years, Rene had been helping write some of the songs or song ideas, and he didn't get any writing credits until that album (i think he got a few on that album). | |
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