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PrintableSleezyG said: JANFAN4L said: Pimp Juice has drawn protests in cities across the country and overseas, and is the subject of an extensive boycott in Germany. so killing 50 million jews is ok, but a drink called "pimp juice" has got to go? Most Germans were unaware of the Holocaust and once they found out what was going on, did not agree with it. I have never heard of any Germans being proud of that time period in their history. And they didn't kill "50 million Jews" on their own. They had help from other countries and people who either sat idly by and twiddled their thumbs (i.e. the Catholic church) or gave them the military means to do so. (i.e. IBM) Americans protest many things yet how many Africans died in the Middle Passage? How many Native Americans were killed to "found" this great land? How many Japanese did we kill and maim permanently in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The list of atrocities OUR government has done is numerous so why is it ok for us to protest and not other countries? | |
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SleezyG said: i'm still waiting to find out how my comment was racist.
[This message was edited Tue Nov 4 15:40:22 PST 2003 by SleezyG] How are you equating the murder of 50 million Jews with the selling of a drink? That seems unfair to Jewish people, degrading to the Holocaust, I think. | |
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JANFAN4L said: PIMP JUICE LOSES ENERGY Nelly's drink is protested.
http://www.eurweb.com/art...312003.cfm Nelly has described Pimp Juice as a metaphor for "whatever you're using to get ahead." I kind of understand where he is coming from, but it took my 57 year old uncle to break it down for me. He basically said that the term "pimp" doesn't have the same negative connotation for today's young Black youth as it did when he was coming up. His sons are 20 and 21 respectively. It's not literally taken as a man who controls female prostitutes. True enough, it's not a wholly positive word, but times do change. I don't pay much attention to Nelly so I have no idea how he is perceived by youth (I think he's wack, but I'm almost 30) and I haven't seen "Bamboozled". I just think there are 2 sides to this coin. But from the way it's being marketed and the fact that it's full of sugar and carbohydrates (34g and 33 grams respectively) I would have to say it needs to be pulled. No one else in the world (Black or White, or whatever) needs any more sugar-filled, carbohydrate laden drinks! [This message was edited Tue Nov 4 21:59:36 PST 2003 by beautifulone7] | |
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sinisterpentatonic said: stymie said: sinisterpentatonic said: There goes my plans for my "Bitchslap" energy drink! 
  You kill me, sinister.I prefer you among the living. 
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The sad thing here, is what has happened to rap. At one time, it was who was the best DJ, who could rock the Mike the best. Now as far as money making rap goes, it's stuck in the guns and weed mode. 2Pac is religiously loved, yet making a song about killng people and naming them by NAME, still gets him praised. 2Pac is praised for wanting to murder young black men. Smelly is attacked here for Pimp Juice? Well, he should be, but there are at least 50 rappers out there worse than Smelly, like Ja Fool, and his whack ass shit. Run DMC where are you? Rap is stuck in a cycle, that seems like it will take forever. For every Roots, or Outkast, there's a couple hundred Master P's. UGGHH. Heavy Metal was once stuck in the Devil Worshiping cycle, and it finally stopped. Will the days of guns and weed ever end? Hope so. | |
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stillwaiting said: Heavy Metal was once stuck in the Devil Worshiping cycle, and it finally stopped.
Really?  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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intha916 said: What dude would drink some shit called "Pimp Juice" Just what is this "juice" and where does it come from
 that's what I was thinking | |
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His chips are good and the packaging is cute... He sends the message to stay in school and they have interesting flavors. I think that they're only here in st louis though! | |
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purplelu said: His chips are good and the packaging is cute... He sends the message to stay in school and they have interesting flavors. I think that they're only here in st louis though!
Chips? Dude's got Pimp Chips, too? | |
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how sad. If they can ban something based on its name, why the HELL haven't they banned all products from the Coca-Cola and Pepsi range of companies? Do people have no idea about what they've done? Let's go for alcoholic drinks too. And coffee, where the huge conglomerates dictate prices of coffee beans, while the farmers don't have enough money to put shirts on their backs.
Why does every corporate dog get away with it what is not seen or heard, and another world away, and it's only the artists in the spotlight that are the exception. If a shopkeeper truly had a conscience, he'd ban 90% of the companies he'd be doing business with. Perpetuating stereotypes my arse. [This message was edited Mon Nov 17 15:17:35 PST 2003 by cynicalbastard] | |
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cynicalbastard said: how sad. If they can ban something based on its name, why the HELL haven't they banned all products from the Coca-Cola and Pepsi range of companies? Do people have no idea about what they've done? Let's go for alcoholic drinks too. And coffee, where the huge conglomerates dictate prices of coffee beans, while the farmers don't have enough money to put shirts on their backs.
Why does every corporate dog get away with it what is not seen or heard, and another world away, and it's only the artists in the spotlight that are the exception. If a shopkeeper truly had a conscience, he'd ban 90% of the companies he'd be doing business with. Perpetuating stereotypes my arse. [This message was edited Mon Nov 17 15:17:35 PST 2003 by cynicalbastard] So individuals in the inner-city don't have the right to protest and speak out against things deviant to their communities? White people can protest anything and everything until the cows come home, but once some inner-city blacks and Latinos start protesting it's "ehhh, shut up, and let it be." I give MUCH RESPECT to the people fighting to keep B.S. like Pimp Juice out of the community. If it's not in Beverly Hills, why does it have to be in Watts? If Dean & Deluca in SoHo or Pavilions in Beverly Hills don't carry it, but Habib's Liquor Mart in inner-city St. Louis is, that's unfair. I sense inequity! | |
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Mountain Dew - WHAT are we telling our kids if we let them drink liquid that's been pulled off of a mountain?
Dr. Pepper - HOW can we let our children go around thinking it's acceptable to throw pepper down your throat? COME ON FOLKS. IT'S A DRINK with A NAME. It's not a PIMP grabbing hoes and forcing them to drink the stupid shit. It is a PRODUCT. It's STUPID, but have you been to party city? PIMP SUITS a plenty. OH for the LOVE OF MONEY. The Last Otan Track: www.funkmusician.com/what.mp3 | |
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otan said: Mountain Dew - WHAT are we telling our kids if we let them drink liquid that's been pulled off of a mountain?
Dr. Pepper - HOW can we let our children go around thinking it's acceptable to throw pepper down your throat? COME ON FOLKS. IT'S A DRINK with A NAME. It's not a PIMP grabbing hoes and forcing them to drink the stupid shit. It is a PRODUCT. It's STUPID, but have you been to party city? PIMP SUITS a plenty. OH for the LOVE OF MONEY. So, I guess "Sambo Delight," "Kike Cookies" and "Wetback Bros. Tortilla Chips" aren't out-of-the-question then? | |
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Let's kill this B.S.: If you want to voice your concerns against this stereotypical product here are some e-mail addresses. The only way to kill it is from the grassroots level. Forward this to anyone you know.
Nelly Chief Executive Officer (CEO) BOARD OF DIRECTORS For Distribution or Sales questions/options... Demetrius President 314.393.0720 demetrius@derrtyent.com For Manufacturing or Production questions... Clark Chief Operating Officer 314.488.0560 clawolf@aol.com For Promotional or Marketing opportunities or questions... Peggy Director of Marketing 314.393.7032 peggy@teamlunatics.com For Public Relations questions or interview requests... Juliette Public Relations Director 310.577.1122 juliette@itgirlpublicrelations.com For all other questions... William General Manager 314.393.2850 wooty@jdgroupmanagement.com Website comments, questions... stlpjmaster@hotmail.com Fillmore St. Brewery 9648 Olive Blvd. #230 Olivette, MO 63132 314.652.7319 fax | |
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JANFAN4L said: So, I guess "Sambo Delight," "Kike Cookies" and "Wetback Bros. Tortilla Chips" aren't out-of-the-question then?
Well, there's RED MAN chewing tobacco. And Mrs. Butterworth and Aunt Jemima - those are tasteless, but you don't see people up in arms over those stereotypes (like they are over this stupid publicity tool). I'm just saying, WHERE do you draw the line and say "get over it. YES. it's bad. YES, it's stupid. But EDUCATE YOUR KIDS instead of hoping the media will." The Last Otan Track: www.funkmusician.com/what.mp3 | |
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JANFAN4L said: So individuals in the inner-city don't have the right to protest and speak out against things deviant to their communities? They have every right to protest. More power to them. That doesn't change the fact that what some people protest about is SOOO FUKN ridiculous and hypocritical, it barely registers on the scale of things to care about, as it is in this case. It's a NAME!, while they stock and support products from the REAL damaging corporations you NEVER hear about and would never want to do business with if you had half a conscience. Some people have their priorities way outta whack, trying to come across as caring for the community while they sell all kinds of shit far more damaging they don't give a second thought about. You want to tackle stereotypes? Turn on the TV. Look at ads for food and drink and toys during childrens cartoons. That's where it all starts. Pimp in 'pimpjuice' can mean so many things. How many times have u heard the word pimp used to describe elite products and services? It's a common word in everyday language to describe things. It doesn't just have ONE meaning. And even if it did, it's just the name of a drink, ffs. Meanwhile, the real damage goes unnoticed by ignorant shopkeepers and the self-appointed moral voices of the community, as usual. If people are stupid enough to want to pay for this drink to be like Nelly or whoever, let them. The mere accusation that this drink is perpetuating stereotypes by its choice of name alone is ridiculous to me. You can apply that to so many products and ads for those products, and that's without even going into company 'ethics', the ingredients and health issues of said products, or their advertising, which is another story entirely. | |
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cynicalbastard said: JANFAN4L said: So individuals in the inner-city don't have the right to protest and speak out against things deviant to their communities? They have every right to protest. More power to them. That doesn't change the fact that what some people protest about is SOOO FUKN ridiculous and hypocritical, it barely registers on the scale of things to care about, as it is in this case. It's a NAME!, while they stock and support products from the REAL damaging corporations you NEVER hear about and would never want to do business with if you had half a conscience. Some people have their priorities way outta whack, trying to come across as caring for the community while they sell all kinds of shit far more damaging they don't give a second thought about. You want to tackle stereotypes? Turn on the TV. Look at ads for food and drink and toys during childrens cartoons. That's where it all starts. Pimp in 'pimpjuice' can mean so many things. How many times have u heard the word pimp used to describe elite products and services? It's a common word in everyday language to describe things. It doesn't just have ONE meaning. And even if it did, it's just the name of a drink, ffs. Meanwhile, the real damage goes unnoticed by ignorant shopkeepers and the self-appointed moral voices of the community, as usual. If people are stupid enough to want to pay for this drink to be like Nelly or whoever, let them. The mere accusation that this drink is perpetuating stereotypes by its choice of name alone is ridiculous to me. You can apply that to so many products and ads for those products, and that's without even going into company 'ethics', the ingredients and health issues of said products, or their advertising, which is another story entirely. It may be ridiculous and trivial to you and others in this thread, but obviously it's affecting people. The media isn't to blame for all of our country's problems, that's not what is being stressed, but it most certainly acts as a mirror. What we see reflected aurally and visually can have long-lasting implications. The impetus of your argument is "hey, Pimp Juice isn't hurting anybody, let it slide. 'Pimp' isn't what you think it means." I don't care how you or Nelly try to rationalize it. A "pimp" and a "hoe" are negative terms and I'm sick of this glorification of thug/lowlife culture in the media. To call oneself a pimp is to inverably call a black woman a "hoe." I was in a conversation with a white male in college and he told me he liked Nelly. He told me, quote, "I thought all black men called black women 'bitches'" -- like it was an everyday greeting and a term of endearment. I had to put him in check. Pimp Juice is not sold in all major markets, only urban, ethnic ones and that is sickening. Urban communities have to tolerate it just because it's marketed in blackface? A "pimp" isn't a positive, let-it-slide representation, no matter how you try to rationalize it, redefine it, compare it against Mountain Dew or Pepsi, it's still negative. The media market is segmented along racial and class structures. We need to stop conflating low-life/thug/gangsta images with the black image, it won't help the community in the long run and will do nothing but hurt us in the long run whether you want to believe it or not. | |
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JANFAN4L said: cynicalbastard said: JANFAN4L said: So individuals in the inner-city don't have the right to protest and speak out against things deviant to their communities? They have every right to protest. More power to them. That doesn't change the fact that what some people protest about is SOOO FUKN ridiculous and hypocritical, it barely registers on the scale of things to care about, as it is in this case. It's a NAME!, while they stock and support products from the REAL damaging corporations you NEVER hear about and would never want to do business with if you had half a conscience. Some people have their priorities way outta whack, trying to come across as caring for the community while they sell all kinds of shit far more damaging they don't give a second thought about. You want to tackle stereotypes? Turn on the TV. Look at ads for food and drink and toys during childrens cartoons. That's where it all starts. Pimp in 'pimpjuice' can mean so many things. How many times have u heard the word pimp used to describe elite products and services? It's a common word in everyday language to describe things. It doesn't just have ONE meaning. And even if it did, it's just the name of a drink, ffs. Meanwhile, the real damage goes unnoticed by ignorant shopkeepers and the self-appointed moral voices of the community, as usual. If people are stupid enough to want to pay for this drink to be like Nelly or whoever, let them. The mere accusation that this drink is perpetuating stereotypes by its choice of name alone is ridiculous to me. You can apply that to so many products and ads for those products, and that's without even going into company 'ethics', the ingredients and health issues of said products, or their advertising, which is another story entirely. It may be ridiculous and trivial to you and others in this thread, but obviously it's affecting people. The media isn't to blame for all of our country's problems, that's not what is being stressed, but it most certainly acts as a mirror. What we see reflected aurally and visually can have long-lasting implications. The impetus of your argument is "hey, Pimp Juice isn't hurting anybody, let it slide. 'Pimp' isn't what you think it means." I don't care how you or Nelly try to rationalize it. A "pimp" and a "hoe" are negative terms and I'm sick of this glorification of thug/lowlife culture in the media. To call oneself a pimp is to inverably call a black woman a "hoe." I was in a conversation with a white male in college and he told me he liked Nelly. He told me, quote, "I thought all black men called black women 'bitches'" -- like it was an everyday greeting and a term of endearment. I had to put him in check. Pimp Juice is not sold in all major markets, only urban, ethnic ones and that is sickening. Urban communities have to tolerate it just because it's marketed in blackface? A "pimp" isn't a positive, let-it-slide representation, no matter how you try to rationalize it, redefine it, compare it against Mountain Dew or Pepsi, it's still negative. The media market is segmented along racial and class structures. We need to stop conflating low-life/thug/gangsta images with the black image, it won't help the community in the long run and will do nothing but hurt us in the long run whether you want to believe it or not. JANFAN4L,I totally agree with everything you said! I'm so sick of the thug rappers glorifying and promoting negative stereotypes.And Cynicalbastard,when these guys use a term like "pimp",everybody knows exactly what they are referring to. | |
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Listen to these thought-provoking audio interviews on NPR.org...
Audio Commentaries on Pimping and Pimp Culture:
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JANFAN4L said: The media market is segmented along racial and class structures. We need to stop conflating low-life/thug/gangsta images with the black image, it won't help the community in the long run and will do nothing but hurt us in the long run whether you want to believe it or not. 'Elite' coffee is targeted to the middle class white 'conoisseurs' of fine taste, while slaves in Ethiopia and Brazil can't even feed their families. Would that be cause for concern too, knowing that other, less fortunate communities are being abused, the product is re-sold and re-packaged at huge premiums to the rich and well-to-do on the other side of the world? [This message was edited Thu Nov 20 20:03:33 PST 2003 by cynicalbastard] | |
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