Well first and formost - I'm not really concerned with the popularity of black music but more about the quality.

Second, There will always be black music - there has been since the beginning of time. often imitated but never really duplicated.

Third, "Rap is NOT pop and if you call it that then STOP!" - Q-tip (A tribe called quest)

Black people make the best music. Right?
But nowadays also the worst

SweetKreme said:

There are enough good soul artists out there right now to hold down the fort.



Agreed.



That was twelve years ago. Unfortunately, now it is pop music. Sadly, some of it is virtually minstrel music.

Of course, artists like Talib Kweli, The Roots, Aceyalone, Common, Mos Def (if he is indeed still an MC) are keeping the purer form of hip-hop alive.

It will head 2 the next popular Black music form...pop culture leans heavily on Black culture, period. Whatever form it takes.

Rock and Roll shall be reclaimed!

RAP in many ways has killed Black diversity and expression...


Just a thought.

Yoda.
[This message was edited Wed Nov 5 8:26:39 PST 2003 by YODAHENDRIX]

Where ever it goes, hopefully it (black music) will go someplace it hasn't been before. That's part of the problem, we keep getting shit recycled. In the mid 70's nobody could see what prince had coming in the early 80's. In the early 80's nobody could see the "New Jack" style Teddy Riley would come with in the late 80's. It seems like after the mid 90's, new sounds just stopped coming so we went back and revisted older styles. To quote Prince "It's time for a new direction" Too bad even he hasn't tried to take us there lately.

Eraserhead said:

Agreed, whereas is the 80's at least keyboards, drum machines & samplers were used as creative tools in popular music nowdays the technology has diluted the music. Computers have their place in todays music production but the only way forward musically is with real instruments, which can express emotion, not like computers which remain 'cold'.

I think it's heading towards Brighouse using the M62 but due to traffic, it's currently stuck near Bradford. We're expecting it at about four O'clock.

its headed right down the shitter along with everything else. theres no Funk in music anymore, everything has bullshit samples,terrible drum programming and Pharrell.

Music has no Soul as it once did,because of modern technology you cannot teach an akai mpc or a korg triton, to feel human emotion or the feel of a real musician playing notes on staff paper.all these so called producers do, is smoke blunts and read manuals on the latest looping tools.if half of them can read any damn way.sorry to go on a rant, but thats my feel on where music is going, in general.
[This message was edited Thu Nov 6 6:05:35 PST 2003 by Finess]

nemesis2099 said:

Real instruments can't express the same emotions as synthesizers and computers can.

Finess said:

I agree with u one hundred per cent.

This is the key view about this subject on this forum!

Thats it.

YODAHENDRIX said:

Yes it is.
My mother often says, stop living in the past, because i rarely buy 'new' music and most of the time listen to sixties/seventies/eighties music. well, mother here is the reason.

Just imagine if todays technology was available 30 years ago?

Eddie Hazel with a laptop & cubase with virtual guitarist, what a horrible thought!!

Notice the influx of disposable pop-rappers lately. Nelly, Murphy Lee, Ja-Rule, 50 Cent, Obie Trice, etc. The beats get lamer, the lyrics-whacker, and the video girls more scantily clad, it's sickening. I think black music is getting more recognition, but for the wrong reasons..Jazz, true hip-hop etc is overlooked, and eclipsed by generic RnB and pop-rap. So sadly I think that's where black music is heading. Thankfully we have the neo-soul saviours.

Eraserhead said:

That's all I listen to.

CGI rappers

nemesis2099 said:

Eddie Hazel boy do we ever need his like now!

VAMPIRELLA said:

These guys have absolutely no skills, whatever happened 2 the real emcees?

Cartoon rhymers like Eminem, and all of the bozos that u mentioned, I mean my God in Heaven, CHINGY? LUDICROUS? Juelz Santana? Hip-Hop is dead long live the Hip-Hop underground...a place where real microphonist's live.

If anyone wants 2 hear a real emcee then the finest mc out there is CHINO XL he is everything Eminem wants 2 be.
[This message was edited Fri Nov 7 8:16:03 PST 2003 by YODAHENDRIX]

gypsyfire said:

Then Lady, u got good taste!Stay right there, there is a strength 2 where u are...because weakness can be found everywhere...i.e.THE TOP 40 and the drones who slavishly follow convention.

Finess said:

It's true, no funk anymore! time 2 put the Mothership Connection DVD on (again)! those we're the days...might have 2 stick on Krush Groove after, ah...hip-hop was so cool back then


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Get off your ass and jam

If you want to find the pulse of modern black music, go look in internet radio, or check out artists that ARE pushing the definition. Res, Skin, chicks like that are re-writing the styles. Missy and Outkast ARE constantly pushing the boundaries of what is accepted pop and black music.

Sly did the same thing, but nobody was listening back then, they only wanted another "Dance to the Music". When Prince was at his most experimental, (Dirty Mind, Controversy) wasn't nobody listening to him - they wanted another "I Wanna Be Your Lover" until he opened up the book on their ass.

You folks are listening to the wrong stations and watching the wrong channels for the next wave. Go crank up that local access cable channel and listen to college radio. 5% of that shit will break through in 2 years and you'll be able to say "I heard it back when they were cool".

If Black Popular music continues to support artists who lack talent, my guess is that Black Popular music is headed off a cliff.

supermodel85 said:

Oh right. You mean the way cracker music has declined lately? Right.

I'd like to see more rock oriented music. Some black singers can tear the fuck out of a rock song.

otan said:

otan, play nicely.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Supa, any examples? Just wondering, but I do agree with that, if that was meant in a good way.

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