abierman said:

All the new artists who call themselves "punk" should be beaten to death with a carefully selected MC5 album.

*That was for you, apples.

IceNine said:

so who decides who is punk or not? You? Avril is definitely punk! And so is Good Charlotte (you know, the tats & shit...punk!)!

abierman said:

That is a fine point... it is a fashion show at this point.

Watch "The Filth and the Fury" and pay particular attention to Johnny Rotten when he talks about people trying to dress like him.

Would you consider Duran Duran punk? I would definitely call them punk, they have that punk attitude, like Pink...

abierman said:

I would classify Duran Duran as a new wave band, much like Flock of Seagulls or Modern English.

IceNine said:

Johnny Rotten? I didn't understand him in that movie! And he looks old to be a punk. No man, real punks are Tom and Mark from Blink 182, at least they are cool! Cool punks! I would not consider Johnny Rotten to be so cool!

abierman said:

I like your sense of humor and irony.

IceNine said:

Dude, Flog of Seagulls...they are definitely punk, have you seen that dude's haircut in that one video? Simple Minds is new wave, Duran Duran is definitely punk, if you say they're not, wel then you haven'been around!

IceNine said:

Thanx dude,

IceNine said:

YAY! (thanks )

AND, I'm sure that Avril Lavigne's real name was April Lavine...you know, before she became punk...

applekisses said:

I'm sure her real name is "shitty."

IceNine said:

Shitty Lavine...it has a ring to it... Although, it makes her sound like a middle-aged, overweight man running numbers for a 1930s crime syndicate.

applekisses said:

Avril Latrine.

IceNine said:

Now, THAT would be a great name for a 'Garbage Pail Kid'

applekisses said:

Right!

So, back to why the Angry Samoans were one of the greatest punk bands ever.

applekisses said:

IceNine said:

Sorry... I didn't mean to jack your thread...

Angry Samoans

Along with X, Black Flag, Fear and the Circle Jerks, the savagely satirical Angry Samoans rode the first wave of Los Angeles punk. Formed in Van Nuys, California in the summer of 1978, the band was founded by singers and guitarists "Metal" Mike Saunders and Gregg Turner, a pair of erstwhile rock critics who previously teamed with fellow writer Richard Meltzer in the group Vom. After considering names like the Egyptians and the Eigen Vectors (a mathematical term -- Turner later became a math professor), they settled on the Angry Samoans, enlisted Saunders' brother Kevin on guitar, bassist Todd Homer and drummer Bill Vockeroth, and initially set out as a Dictators cover band.

Soon, Saunders and Turner began writing original material, drawing influence from the Velvet Underground, the Sonics, the 13th Floor Elevators and garage rock. After honing their primitive and increasingly thrashy sound at a series of surreal gigs (including sets at the Camarillo State Mental Hospital and a lunchtime show at Santa Monica High School, where emcee Meltzer asked if any "heroin addicts" were in the audience), the Samoans -- substituting guitarist P.J. Galligan for Kevin Saunders -- debuted in 1980 with the EP Inside My Brain, highlighted by "Get Off the Air," their pointed swipe at KROQ deejay Rodney Bingenheimer and the L.A. musical community.

Two years later, they resurfaced with Back from Samoa, featuring titles like "They Saved Hitler's Cock," "Tuna Taco" and "My Old Man's a Fatso." Soon, the band grew disenchanted with the entire punk culture, and they spent the next several years largely in a dormant state: guitarist Steve Drojensky replaced Kevin Saunders in 1984, Vockeroth went on hiatus, and Jeff Dahl temporarily stepped in for "Metal" Mike in 1985, but by and large the group laid low until 1987's Yesterday Started Tomorrow. Problems with their label and internal differences led the group to disband after recording 1988's STP Not LSD.

IceNine said:

God, I am JUST the same - it makes me wanna smack 'em. We have this new kid just started at work with us, he can't be more than 18 - has green hair (which is fine by me) but the absolute piddly shit HE terms 'punk' makes me wanna hit him with big sticks.

They dont have a clue - punk was more an ethic and a period in time - not a 'music genre'
[This message was edited Fri Oct 10 9:09:52 PDT 2003 by bananacologne]

bananacologne said:

Right again!

These fuckers are ruining the name "punk" with their bullshit.

There is Suicidal Tendencies first album.

And not to mention the great group from Minneapolis, the Replacements is blasphemy.

I think in many ways Public Enemy is punk.

2freaky4church1 said:

Paul Westerberg and the Replacements are one of my favorite bands ever... in fact, Paul Westerberg is my second favorite songwriter, next to Elvis Costello. The fact is that The Replacements only had one punk album (Stink) and one half-punk album (Sorry Ma, Forgot to Take Out the Trash) and a bunch of GREAT alternative/pop/rock albums. They don't qualify as punk in my eyes, although they are heroes of mine.

Suicidal Tendencies first album was on the list.

cant believe this original list states the clash first album only. bullshit!!! all the clash albums are great , the 1st 2 had a punkier feel but london calling is a f**kin classic ! punk/jazz/pop/soul/u name it the clash f**ked it over on this album, also combat rock so different, wota great record.

wotabout = the tubes and richard hell the adverts 999 the plasmatics the list could go on and on .

ive actually been 2 c , the stranglers,siouxsie and the banshees and stiff little fingers in the last few months live !!!

i was never sure if adam and the ants were cool enuf 4 punk ! i saw them at their height kings of the wild frontier and the thing which got me was the double drumming BANANACOLOGNE mentioned in an other post.

the white stripes sound like punks 2 me !!! also.

and the REZILLOS i saw em in glasgow bout 2 months ago !they were the exact same as when i seen em in 1978 ! aged very well in 25 years, wish i could say the same !

danielboon said:

The Stranglers were great...so were The Replacements.

I like The Stranglers. And remember back when U2 was punk?

Well, I guess the Chemical People should be on here too...

IceNine said:

And...

The Plasmatics

and

The Damned

Forget that Avril and Good Charlotte shit. These guys were punk. If not by aesthetic then in deed.




If you wanna hear some serious punk, go out and get a copy of "In The City" or "All Mod Cons".

2freaky4church1 said:

I dunno how I got into the Sui's first album but I love it!!!