Do we all dislike it or what? It is the urban music of the moment. At it's best, it is as good as any other music. The problem being, so many want to be rich rappers, that most of it is either awful or way too maxed out on bling bling idiocy, or gangsta wanksterism.

I think its funny how the 'Pop' chart, top ten singles, looks very similar to the 'Rap' top ten list?

Right Thurr still at #3 on the Pop Chart. What is the world coming to?

jthad1129 said:

And that is probably why people aren't talking about it so much. It is hardly special anymore sicne it is nearly all we here on the radio. Rewind to about 8 years ago when they cut out Left Eye's rap from "Waterfalls" (in fact they still do play that verison!) and that isn't the only example. I think most of the rap on the pop charts sucks too. Damn you radio!

Rap Chart

1. Shake Ya Tailfeather, Nelly, P. Diddy & Murphy Lee
2. Get Low, Lil Jon & The East Side Boyz Featuring Ying Yang Twins
3. Right Thurr, Chingy
4. Damn!, YoungBloodZ Featuring Lil Jon
5. Into You, Fabolous Featuring Tamia Or Ashanti
6. P.I.M.P., 50 Cent
7. Can't Stop, Won't Stop, Young Gunz
8. Stand Up, Ludacris Featuring Shawnna
9. Let's Get Down, Bow Wow Featuring Baby
10. Holidae In, Chingy Featuring Ludacris & Snoop Dogg

Pop Chart

1. Baby Boy, Beyonce Featuring Sean Paul
2. Shake Ya Tailfeather, Nelly, P. Diddy & Murphy Lee
3. Right Thurr, Chingy
4. Get Low, Lil Jon & The East Side Boyz Featuring Ying Yang Twins
5. Frontin', Pharrell Featuring Jay-Z
6. Into You, Fabolous Featuring Tamia Or Ashanti
7. P.I.M.P., 50 Cent
8. Where Is The Love?, Black Eyed Peas
9. Damn!, YoungBloodZ Featuring Lil Jon
10. Unwell, matchbox twenty

Used to be Rap was never played on pop stations, and Vinny is totally correct. It's nothing special anymore, its just what sells records.

I tried 2 discuss how i thought Bone album was good and got NO responses, then i jus gave up

I would like 2 hear what people hav 2 say about rap albums weather they're good or not. Cuz i dont buy them no mo being because they talk about the same shit, but still u know?

jthad1129 said:

yeah even r&b turned opo almost..but it is still holdin ground. We need sum Freakquency, New Funk, & Soul charts now...

Dead On It.





although I don't mind y'all talking Sugar Hill Gang. Now they were very nice gentlemen. And that Mr Flash, he would offer to do the washing up after Sunday tea and biscuits.

Rap has never really appealed to me. That's also one of the reasons why I was not particularly pleased with Prince having Tony M. in his band.

a lot of hip hop is just like novelty hits now. just catchy hooks which is cool in a club (and there is nothing wrong with making great club songs, not everyone can do it) but there isnt much there to keep your interest after a while. people like 50 cent and camron dont really rap as such either, their style is so simplified a 5 year old could rap along.

scififilmnerd said:

well,
preach on...scififilmnerd!!! couldnt of said it any betta' merself, tony m what an why???

Because that mainstream rap industry is WHACK!

There I said it. The real shit is underground or independent.

I like 80's rap music better. Much props to innovators like RUN-DMC, KRS-One, Public Enemy, Rakim and LL Cool J.

One word: OUTKAST.

Okay, maybe that's not fair...Andre's disc is a departure from rap (though not an abandonment of it), so technically it may be seen as more of a pop/R&B album than traditional rap. But is that to overlook Big Boi's disc, which is more straight-up hip-hop? Whatever you think, folks are talking about it on here so much that new threads on Outkast are starting to get locked!

I'm hoping this album is to hip-hop as Nirvana's "Nevermind" was to hard rock in the early '90s. Maybe this will inspire a rash of new creativity and a raising of the bar in terms of quality and showmanship, instead of the same old bloated boring crap they've been feeding us for years.

I personally love rap. some of my favorite memories were spent trying to figure out Bone Thugs lyrics with my middle school friends. rap to me is very innovative, it's always changing and evolving. unfortunately what gets the most airplay is p.diddy, bling bling dumb ish... give me outkast and mos def anyday!

I have been a fan of rap music for many years. I like Tupac, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Warren G, NWA,Easy E, Snoop Dogg,Bone Thugs N Harmony, Gangstarr, Jay-Z, Biggie,Ma$e, P. Diddy, Jermaine Dupri and more.

Any1 see that Chris Rock film 'CB4' that is so funny.

Hip-hop barely registers as a creative force in music now, sadly. But if you wan't discussion. look on the Pol. & Rel. forum. Man, folk went at it over some hip-hop in there (myself included).

namepeace said:

people go at it over everything over there. it's like they're starved for someone to hear their opinions.

I grew up on hip-hop. It WAS the new jazz, but if you want my take on it now check my sig.

Anxiety said:

Oh, and all Nirvana did was get a last gasp out of a genre whose plug shoulda been pulled in the 70's.

It has always seemed to me that most of the people online here came to Prince out of an interest in pop or rock, or punk, or alternative type music. (Check their favorite other artists.)

So it has never really surprised me that most would not be too excited about hip hop, or Prince's more R&B leanings for that matter.

NuPwrSoul said:

oh, i don't know. there's a lot of talk about Me'shell, Eryka Badu, Mary J Blige, R. Kelly, Alicia Keyes and several others representing r&b discussion.

but i agree with you for the most part. it's probably due to the fact that Prince was, at first, resistant to rap, later incorporated it poorly into his music via MC's that no real fans of the artform would dig, and finally, after he actually got around to just doing it himself (or rather, doing it himself and doing it WELL), his day in the sun was over, so there weren't a lot of people coming to him from that direction.
[This message was edited Fri Sep 26 21:08:49 PDT 2003 by AaronMaximus]

AaronMaximus said:

Co-sign on a very concise post,

In the 80's, I took in a steady diet of Prince and hip-hop. In fact, that made up about 80% of everything I listened to for about 10 years. So I love it, I appreciate it, but it ain't what it used to be, I'm getting older, and I became a lover of jazz and a lot of other music I missed out on for years.

namepeace said:

youve got to be kidding. what about the neptunes, dr. dre, timbaland, outkast? not saying i love everything those guys do but they are respected and dissected by god knows how many people in music and the industry.

2freaky4church1 said:

Ah, rap is frequently discussed here. I'm a huge hiphop fanatic... this week I finally got to see the Jungle Brothers live, they kicked ass

I like Fred Durst rap

I notice rap is rarely discussed here.



possibly because it's all shit ?





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Ian, did they call you a honky..lol

Rap albums you must buy now, and do not suck:

Talib Queli--Quality
Common--Electric Circus
Roots--Phrenology
Outkast
Cherry Wine