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Printable2freaky4church1 said: Rap albums you must buy now, and do not suck:
Talib Queli--Quality Common--Electric Circus Roots--Phrenology Outkast Cherry Wine I would co-sign every thing except Cherrywine. I know u got good taste 2F4C, but in my opinion the Cherrywine joint was the most horrid and disappointing album I heard all year. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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FunkyStrange said: possibly because it's all shit ?
Wow. I finally found someone who has listened to every hip-hop record known to exist, because one would have had to to make that statement . . . Oh wait, F/S doesn't know anything about hip-hop. I guess I got ahead of myself. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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AaronMaximus said: people go at it over everything over there. it's like they're starved for someone to hear their opinions.
Am I the only one who has never visited that forum? btw, aren't Outkast rap? | |
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I've been bumping a lot of rap lately...
Tori Fixx - And Daddy Makes Three // Keep Tellin' Yourself Backroom Matches - Stupid Rights Domino - Sweet Potato Pie // Ghetto Jam E-40 - Sprinkle Me The Click featuring Roger Troutman - Scandalous K-Os - Superstar Pt. Zero DJ Quik - Born & Raised In Compton Nate Dogg featuring Snoop Dogg - Never Leave Me Alone Grand Puba - 2000 Queen Latifah - Black Reign ...not to mention Outkast's latest album. I still like hip hop and I've never dissented upon it like others. I believe in its power, plus I love hip hop beats. Hip hop is in everything from pop to rock to R&B. It's gotten mainstream. | |
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UptownDeb said: AaronMaximus said: people go at it over everything over there. it's like they're starved for someone to hear their opinions.
Am I the only one who has never visited that forum? btw, aren't Outkast rap? No, I don't go over there, neeva. . . | |
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Maybe because Prince is so wretched it at no matter how he approaches the medium and that would have to come up in most any discussion rap here at Prince.org? | |
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If you ever wanna discuss Old School rap (Run DMC,Public Enemy,Salt N Pepa,etc),I'm there.But I have no love for most of today's rap.I just get so sick of hearing this crap everywhere...on the radio,on the video channels,etc.I'm fed up with 50 Cent,Nelly,P.Diddy,Snoop,Ludacris,etc.It's hard to distinguish these guys from each other.I mean,how many times can you do a "thugged-out" song about how *bad* you are,and have your rapping homies appear on the song with you? Bitches and hos,bling-bling,etc. It's all so played out!
Yes,I'm aware that there is some good hip-hop out there,and that not all rappers talk about these shallow topics.But you really have to weed through all the crap just to get to the good stuff.Unfortunately,it's the bad stuff that gets all the attention and sales. | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Do we all dislike it or what? It is the urban music of the moment. At it's best, it is as good as any other music. The problem being, so many want to be rich rappers, that most of it is either awful or way too maxed out on bling bling idiocy, or gangsta wanksterism.
The problem with a lot of the meanstream stuff that the 12 n up audience reqests is that it is not much of anything. But...they want it. Let's face it folks, nothing in entertainment...or the majority of entertainment is focused on the 12 n up or 18 - 34 demo. We can bitch n moan about the good old days...just like the generation before us. Hip hop is one of the most innovative and creative product to rise out of post modernism. In fact hip hop IS post modernism. But it has become the bastard child of the industry. In all truth, that Cribs BS and blingin is a front. Everything is rented in them videos and 70 % of rappers don't make but about 30.000 a year.,...if that. Take Da Band...the only smart one is Sarah, she's not ready to sign just so she can get some advance money while the rest of the crew is gased to be down with Bad Boy. In fact, if you are truly interested in the subject, go to www.rapcoalition.org before we all think about what we think is really going on, I think this may really be beneficial for you to check out. | |
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KatSkrizzle said: 2freaky4church1 said: Do we all dislike it or what? It is the urban music of the moment. At it's best, it is as good as any other music. The problem being, so many want to be rich rappers, that most of it is either awful or way too maxed out on bling bling idiocy, or gangsta wanksterism.
The problem with a lot of the meanstream stuff that the 12 n up audience reqests is that it is not much of anything. But...they want it. Let's face it folks, nothing in entertainment...or the majority of entertainment is focused on the 12 n up or 18 - 34 demo. We can bitch n moan about the good old days...just like the generation before us. Hip hop is one of the most innovative and creative product to rise out of post modernism. In fact hip hop IS post modernism. But it has become the bastard child of the industry. In all truth, that Cribs BS and blingin is a front. Everything is rented in them videos and 70 % of rappers don't make but about 30.000 a year.,...if that. Take Da Band...the only smart one is Sarah, she's not ready to sign just so she can get some advance money while the rest of the crew is gased to be down with Bad Boy. In fact, if you are truly interested in the subject, go to www.rapcoalition.org before we all think about what we think is really going on, I think this may really be beneficial for you to check out. Correction, nothing but the 18-34 demo is a focus for entertainment...oops, sorry I think I'm the only Hip Hop Head that categorizes Prince as my favorite artist... It is creativity...but it looks like no one is hearing anything but the commercial records...oh well. I suggest you pick up a Gang Starr album, Big L (rest in Peace) or even the Beatnuts. J-Lo Ripped the Nuts off with her Jenny from the Block record if you need reference to the Beatnuts. | |
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AaronMaximus said: NuPwrSoul said: It has always seemed to me that most of the people online here came to Prince out of an interest in pop or rock, or punk, or alternative type music. (Check their favorite other artists.)
So it has never really surprised me that most would not be too excited about hip hop, or Prince's more R&B leanings for that matter. oh, i don't know. there's a lot of talk about Me'shell, Eryka Badu, Mary J Blige, R. Kelly, Alicia Keyes and several others representing r&b discussion. but i agree with you for the most part. it's probably due to the fact that Prince was, at first, resistant to rap, later incorporated it poorly into his music via MC's that no real fans of the artform would dig, and finally, after he actually got around to just doing it himself (or rather, doing it himself and doing it WELL), his day in the sun was over, so there weren't a lot of people coming to him from that direction. [This message was edited Fri Sep 26 21:08:49 PDT 2003 by AaronMaximus] Prince doing hip hop well? I love the man, but that ish was the worst | |
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KatSkrizzle said: AaronMaximus said: NuPwrSoul said: It has always seemed to me that most of the people online here came to Prince out of an interest in pop or rock, or punk, or alternative type music. (Check their favorite other artists.)
So it has never really surprised me that most would not be too excited about hip hop, or Prince's more R&B leanings for that matter. oh, i don't know. there's a lot of talk about Me'shell, Eryka Badu, Mary J Blige, R. Kelly, Alicia Keyes and several others representing r&b discussion. but i agree with you for the most part. it's probably due to the fact that Prince was, at first, resistant to rap, later incorporated it poorly into his music via MC's that no real fans of the artform would dig, and finally, after he actually got around to just doing it himself (or rather, doing it himself and doing it WELL), his day in the sun was over, so there weren't a lot of people coming to him from that direction. [This message was edited Fri Sep 26 21:08:49 PDT 2003 by AaronMaximus] Prince doing hip hop well? I love the man, but that ish was the worst Prince needs to stick to what he does best, and rappin' ain't it.  | |
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I think the reason rap is rarely discussed here is because many feel consumed by the oversaturation of rap and since this is mainly a Prince fan site, its usually only discussed in relation to Prince; which is in short capacity. I think the disrespect of an entire artform, however, is just pure ignorance. KatSkrizzle nailed it on the head. Still, its all about choices. If you don't like rap - don't listen to it; however, don't try to sum up the whole of an entire form of music when you don't listen to it as if you know what you're talking about. [This message was edited Mon Sep 29 9:06:13 PDT 2003 by BlaqueKnight] | |
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DavidEye said: If you ever wanna discuss Old School rap (Run DMC,Public Enemy,Salt N Pepa,etc),I'm there.But I have no love for most of today's rap.I just get so sick of hearing this crap everywhere...on the radio,on the video channels,etc.I'm fed up with 50 Cent,Nelly,P.Diddy,Snoop,Ludacris,etc.It's hard to distinguish these guys from each other.I mean,how many times can you do a "thugged-out" song about how *bad* you are,and have your rapping homies appear on the song with you? Bitches and hos,bling-bling,etc. It's all so played out!
Yes,I'm aware that there is some good hip-hop out there,and that not all rappers talk about these shallow topics.But you really have to weed through all the crap just to get to the good stuff.Unfortunately,it's the bad stuff that gets all the attention and sales. wow, what a great response. You are 100% correct and I agree with all you said about rap music. | |
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kisscamille said: DavidEye said: If you ever wanna discuss Old School rap (Run DMC,Public Enemy,Salt N Pepa,etc),I'm there.But I have no love for most of today's rap.I just get so sick of hearing this crap everywhere...on the radio,on the video channels,etc.I'm fed up with 50 Cent,Nelly,P.Diddy,Snoop,Ludacris,etc.It's hard to distinguish these guys from each other.I mean,how many times can you do a "thugged-out" song about how *bad* you are,and have your rapping homies appear on the song with you? Bitches and hos,bling-bling,etc. It's all so played out!
Yes,I'm aware that there is some good hip-hop out there,and that not all rappers talk about these shallow topics.But you really have to weed through all the crap just to get to the good stuff.Unfortunately,it's the bad stuff that gets all the attention and sales. wow, what a great response. You are 100% correct and I agree with all you said about rap music. I guess it's OK though to use them... | |
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DavidEye said: If you ever wanna discuss Old School rap (Run DMC,Public Enemy,Salt N Pepa,etc),I'm there.But I have no love for most of today's rap.I just get so sick of hearing this crap everywhere...on the radio,on the video channels,etc.I'm fed up with 50 Cent,Nelly,P.Diddy,Snoop,Ludacris,etc.It's hard to distinguish these guys from each other.I mean,how many times can you do a "thugged-out" song about how *bad* you are,and have your rapping homies appear on the song with you? Bitches and hos,bling-bling,etc. It's all so played out!
Yes,I'm aware that there is some good hip-hop out there,and that not all rappers talk about these shallow topics.But you really have to weed through all the crap just to get to the good stuff.Unfortunately,it's the bad stuff that gets all the attention and sales. 50 was underground for eeevvver! He was really hot on some mixtape ish. Now, he's the next best thing since sliced bread. And the thrill is gone. If you heard the mixtape stuff you'd really like 50. But his massive popularity is over exposing him n making me weary. But, I'll always respect his gangsta. Ludacris is an ill lyricist...I don't see how one cannot enjoy him. Luda may talk a little explicit, but it's in fun n that's why I like him. But to each his own. Diddy...is not a rapper, he's a mogul and label exec. Put himself on a record...extra royalty money. Nelly is a CORN BALL he is the CORNIEST rapper ever..but I like Murphy Lee. SNoop's act is just...an act. Hell, it's all just music | |
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namepeace said: 2freaky4church1 said: Rap albums you must buy now, and do not suck:
Talib Queli--Quality Common--Electric Circus Roots--Phrenology Outkast Cherry Wine I would co-sign every thing except Cherrywine. I know u got good taste 2F4C, but in my opinion the Cherrywine joint was the most horrid and disappointing album I heard all year. Cherrywine was a little disappointing, I expected more from someone who played a role in diggable planets, I guess all of that big label money does make a difference. Anyways a couple more titles you should add to your list are Blackalicous-NIA! (if you haven't heard it) and his latest one Blazing Arrow Aceyalone-Love and Hate & The book of human language. Quasimoto-The unseen and Madlib invades bluenote mainly instrumental stuff but decent and as you would expect some delicious jazz loops. Roots Manuva-Run come save me & Brand new second hand Saul Williams-Amethyst Rock star Rick Rubin kinda fucked this release up but still there are a lot of tracks on here that justifies the purchase. | |
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I vote the Yin Yang twins are the worst rap group this year. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Do we all dislike it or what? It is the urban music of the moment. At it's best, it is as good as any other music. The problem being, so many want to be rich rappers, that most of it is either awful or way too maxed out on bling bling idiocy, or gangsta wanksterism.
Oh please,ya'll certainly discuss it more than jazz. I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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magnificentsynthesizer667 said: namepeace said: 2freaky4church1 said: Rap albums you must buy now, and do not suck:
Talib Queli--Quality Common--Electric Circus Roots--Phrenology Outkast Cherry Wine I would co-sign every thing except Cherrywine. I know u got good taste 2F4C, but in my opinion the Cherrywine joint was the most horrid and disappointing album I heard all year. Cherrywine was a little disappointing, I expected more from someone who played a role in diggable planets, I guess all of that big label money does make a difference. Anyways a couple more titles you should add to your list are Blackalicous-NIA! (if you haven't heard it) and his latest one Blazing Arrow Aceyalone-Love and Hate & The book of human language. Quasimoto-The unseen and Madlib invades bluenote mainly instrumental stuff but decent and as you would expect some delicious jazz loops. Roots Manuva-Run come save me & Brand new second hand Saul Williams-Amethyst Rock star Rick Rubin kinda fucked this release up but still there are a lot of tracks on here that justifies the purchase. Yes, folks, even as a New Wave fan, I like some Hip-Hop too. Props to Magsynth for mentioning Blackalicious and Saul Williams. You should also mention Aesoop Rock and The Roots. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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KatSkrizzle said: 50 was underground for eeevvver! He was really hot on some mixtape ish.
Yup. He was getting shout-outs on Redman's records in 96! Ludacris is an ill lyricist...I don't see how one cannot enjoy him. Luda may talk a little explicit, but it's in fun n that's why I like him.
He's the Dirty South's Redman. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Marrk said: Isn't rap something you should grow out of by your 30's?
Not really, I admit some hip-hop I enjoyed as a youth is really difficult for me to listen to now . The majority of hip-hop I wouldn't even give a second listen to or even a first listen, for a lot of it focuses on superficial things that only a teenager would find intriguing, but there is alot still being created that has something to say such as some of the titles listed above, I usually only drift towards artist around the same age as me. | |
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magnificentsynthesizer667 said: Cherrywine was a little disappointing, I expected more from someone who played a role in diggable planets, I guess all of that big label money does make a difference. Anyways a couple more titles you should add to your list are Blackalicous-NIA! (if you haven't heard it) and his latest one Blazing Arrow Aceyalone-Love and Hate & The book of human language. Quasimoto-The unseen and Madlib invades bluenote mainly instrumental stuff but decent and as you would expect some delicious jazz loops. Roots Manuva-Run come save me & Brand new second hand Saul Williams-Amethyst Rock star Rick Rubin kinda fucked this release up but still there are a lot of tracks on here that justifies the purchase. I have Aceyalone. I like it okay. I'll have to look into the others. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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A lotta people on this site take hip-hop for joke. They don't realize its BIGGER than them. I don't listen to nearly as much hip-hop as some people, but I have RESPECT for the genre. It'll be here from now on. Folks just need to get used to it. Accept. Usually the ones who complain the most are the ones who listen to it the least. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: A lotta people on this site take hip-hop for joke. They don't realize its BIGGER than them. I don't listen to nearly as much hip-hop as some people, but I have RESPECT for the genre. It'll be here from now on. Folks just need to get used to it. Accept. Usually the ones who complain the most are the ones who listen to it the least.[/color]
 (co-sign for Blaque, who's on a roll . . .)Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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BlaqueKnight said: I think the reason rap is rarely discussed here is because many feel consumed by the oversaturation of rap and since this is mainly a Prince fan site, its usually only discussed in relation to Prince; which is in short capacity. I think the disrespect of an entire artform, however, is just pure ignorance. KatSkrizzle nailed it on the head. Still, its all about choices. If you don't like rap - don't listen to it; however, don't try to sum up the whole of an entire form of music when you don't listen to it as if you know what you're talking about.
[This message was edited Mon Sep 29 9:06:13 PDT 2003 by BlaqueKnight] You think disliking rap is ignorant yet you applaud an ignorant idiot like 50 cent. I love old school rap but, let's try and face reality old school rap is dead and the rap of today is a bunch of ignorant, bling bling negroes pulling African-Americans back to the minstrel era. | |
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laurarichardson said: BlaqueKnight said: I think the reason rap is rarely discussed here is because many feel consumed by the oversaturation of rap and since this is mainly a Prince fan site, its usually only discussed in relation to Prince; which is in short capacity. I think the disrespect of an entire artform, however, is just pure ignorance. KatSkrizzle nailed it on the head. Still, its all about choices. If you don't like rap - don't listen to it; however, don't try to sum up the whole of an entire form of music when you don't listen to it as if you know what you're talking about.
[This message was edited Mon Sep 29 9:06:13 PDT 2003 by BlaqueKnight] You think disliking rap is ignorant yet you applaud an ignorant idiot like 50 cent. I love old school rap but, let's try and face reality old school rap is dead and the rap of today is a bunch of ignorant, bling bling negroes pulling African-Americans back to the minstrel era.  I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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laurarichardson said: You think disliking rap is ignorant yet you applaud an ignorant idiot like 50 cent. I never saw Blaque applaud 50. I love old school rap but, let's try and face reality old school rap is dead and the rap of today is a bunch of ignorant, bling bling negroes pulling African-Americans back to the minstrel era.
I'd agree with that. But also, there are some artists out there staying true to the real hip-hop. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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laurarichardson said: You think disliking rap is ignorant yet you applaud an ignorant idiot like 50 cent. I love old school rap but, let's try and face reality old school rap is dead and the rap of today is a bunch of ignorant, bling bling negroes pulling African-Americans back to the minstrel era. Disliking rap is a choice. Putting ALL rap into a box is IGNORANT. 50 Cent is ignorant; but I have the understanding that its all E-N-T-E-R-T-A-I-N-M-E-N-T - just like Prince is. None of these guys have degrees in virology or are discovering the cures for Cancer or AIDS, etc. They are ALL shit-talkers; Prince included. I just happen to be a member of the culture that does care what the "mainstream" thinks. Compartmentalization is nothing new to me. That's why many of "my kind" have the attitude of  ALL music has violence because ALL MUSIC communicates human emotion. I think iits silly that some people arrogantly place themselves on a pedistal in judgement of an entire form of human expression embraced by an entire generation of people.
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BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:8afcc0b273:8346cf47d4]A lotta people on this site take hip-hop for joke. They don't realize its BIGGER than them. I don't listen to nearly as much hip-hop as some people, but I have RESPECT for the genre. It'll be here from now on. Folks just need to get used to it. Accept. Usually the ones who complain the most are the ones who listen to it the least.
Oh,I do have respect for hip-hop as an artform.I accept the fact that it is currently the most popular form of music right now,and has been for most of the last 20 years.But I just don't see much evolution and fresh ideas in today's rap.Or maybe I'm just getting old...lol... Oddly enough,my mother (who's in her mid-50s) is a HUGE fan of today's hip-hop.She loves 50 Cent.Go figure  | |
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