New topic
Printablemistermaxxx said: Madonna knew where She was & so did Britney & Christina. No harm & No Foul.
Well put, Maxxx. Although I respect what Stevie was trying to say, but she's saying it about the wrong people. She is a true songwriter with SUBSTANCE. Madonna, Britney and Christina are all extreme media hogs. Its safe to say that nothing is out of the question for Maddy. With Chrissy and Britney following in her pop footsteps, they are just doing what they think they need to in order to keep the public talking about them (like we are doing on this thread). With all the media bombardment of girl/girl sex and bi inuendos, its expected that they would all jump on the idea of an onstage kiss just to stay "in". I think its funny that Madonna was on Oprah talking about her children's books soon afterwards, though. Trying to play both sides of the coin. 
As for Janet & Madonna, both those hoes are hoes!!! LOL! I go see Janet whenever she tours. She puts on a fantastic show. She's in her 30s now; people need to get off expecting her to be "lil' Janet". She's grown and nasty as she wants to be and I love that about her. Maddy is the queen of controversy. I really can't see Britney OR Christina being a tenth as re-inventive as Madonna. Can't blame 'em for trying, though. | |
- E-mail - orgNote -  Report post to moderator |
Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said
It seems like you're the hypocrite, first talking about what Madonna says and doesn't do and then what she does and doesn't say. What's more important to you?
 don't even know what you're getting at there.
First you say Madonna doesn write as explicitly as Janet which makes her less slutty. Then, you said Madonna doesn't do as many slutty things as Janet To me it's what you do and Madonna has done far more slutty and whorish things than Janet and Madonna is a poser. She has admitted to doing thing just because that's what's "in" She doesn't even have her own identity I didn't say that Madonna hasn't done slutty things. My issue, however, is that often, those things aren't quite as slutty as some make them out to be. And that Janet fans regularly trash Madonna for being slutty, when Janet's lyrics and stage shows actually ARE slutty, and not just interpreted to be. For the record Janet did not talk about sexual positions on Oprah. She did, however, talk about sexual sensations due to piercings
oh, my bad.  that's such a different thing. i rest my case.
I never said Janet was perfect, you did
not once in my life
What Madonna did on the VMA's was disgusting because of the reasons for which she did it like everything she does. You should lay off. You really got some Janet hate going on. When you criticize other artists people don't jump all over you about Madonna. You should be respectful of other peoples opinions of your flawless goddess
but isn't that why people put their favorite artists in their profiles? for me to use as ammo when pointing out what hypocrites they are? 
as for the rest... I don't think Madonna is flawless, in fact, I am fairly critical of some of the things she does. the first 2 singles from her album were horrible, i HATED the American Life video (the original), i think the make-up of her upcoming box set is ridiculous. those are just a few of the examples i can think of off the top of my head, from just the last couple of weeks of my comments about Madonna here. why was what Madonna did with Britney any more disgusting that Janet humping a guy onstage? to sell albums? let me tell you, neither Janet or Madonna is in the music business as a hobby. that's the whole point of EVERYTHING they do. to sell albums. Madonna's just jumping on the gay explosion wagon and that's sad are you fucking kidding me? homosexual themes and issues have been a part of her work since the mid-80's. the "gay explosion wagon" was the rest of the world catching up to her No, it hasn't been since the mid-80's and having back up dancers in your show doesn't make it a homosexual theme. She used homosexual themes in the early 90's and then stopped when she had her first child and now she's back on the wagon again you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said
It seems like you're the hypocrite, first talking about what Madonna says and doesn't do and then what she does and doesn't say. What's more important to you?
don't even know what you're getting at there.
First you say Madonna doesn write as explicitly as Janet which makes her less slutty. Then, you said Madonna doesn't do as many slutty things as Janet To me it's what you do and Madonna has done far more slutty and whorish things than Janet and Madonna is a poser. She has admitted to doing thing just because that's what's "in" She doesn't even have her own identity I didn't say that Madonna hasn't done slutty things. My issue, however, is that often, those things aren't quite as slutty as some make them out to be. And that Janet fans regularly trash Madonna for being slutty, when Janet's lyrics and stage shows actually ARE slutty, and not just interpreted to be. For the record Janet did not talk about sexual positions on Oprah. She did, however, talk about sexual sensations due to piercings
oh, my bad. that's such a different thing. i rest my case.
I never said Janet was perfect, you did
not once in my life
What Madonna did on the VMA's was disgusting because of the reasons for which she did it like everything she does. You should lay off. You really got some Janet hate going on. When you criticize other artists people don't jump all over you about Madonna. You should be respectful of other peoples opinions of your flawless goddess
but isn't that why people put their favorite artists in their profiles? for me to use as ammo when pointing out what hypocrites they are?
as for the rest... I don't think Madonna is flawless, in fact, I am fairly critical of some of the things she does. the first 2 singles from her album were horrible, i HATED the American Life video (the original), i think the make-up of her upcoming box set is ridiculous. those are just a few of the examples i can think of off the top of my head, from just the last couple of weeks of my comments about Madonna here. why was what Madonna did with Britney any more disgusting that Janet humping a guy onstage? to sell albums? let me tell you, neither Janet or Madonna is in the music business as a hobby. that's the whole point of EVERYTHING they do. to sell albums. Madonna's just jumping on the gay explosion wagon and that's sad are you fucking kidding me? homosexual themes and issues have been a part of her work since the mid-80's. the "gay explosion wagon" was the rest of the world catching up to her No, it hasn't been since the mid-80's and having back up dancers in your show doesn't make it a homosexual theme. She used homosexual themes in the early 90's and then stopped when she had her first child and now she's back on the wagon again you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I follwed her in the 80's and she wasn't using homosexual themes then. Gay people didn't even like her until 1990. It's a fact that she cleaned up her act when she had Lourdes | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said
It seems like you're the hypocrite, first talking about what Madonna says and doesn't do and then what she does and doesn't say. What's more important to you?
don't even know what you're getting at there.
First you say Madonna doesn write as explicitly as Janet which makes her less slutty. Then, you said Madonna doesn't do as many slutty things as Janet To me it's what you do and Madonna has done far more slutty and whorish things than Janet and Madonna is a poser. She has admitted to doing thing just because that's what's "in" She doesn't even have her own identity I didn't say that Madonna hasn't done slutty things. My issue, however, is that often, those things aren't quite as slutty as some make them out to be. And that Janet fans regularly trash Madonna for being slutty, when Janet's lyrics and stage shows actually ARE slutty, and not just interpreted to be. For the record Janet did not talk about sexual positions on Oprah. She did, however, talk about sexual sensations due to piercings
oh, my bad. that's such a different thing. i rest my case.
I never said Janet was perfect, you did
not once in my life
What Madonna did on the VMA's was disgusting because of the reasons for which she did it like everything she does. You should lay off. You really got some Janet hate going on. When you criticize other artists people don't jump all over you about Madonna. You should be respectful of other peoples opinions of your flawless goddess
but isn't that why people put their favorite artists in their profiles? for me to use as ammo when pointing out what hypocrites they are?
as for the rest... I don't think Madonna is flawless, in fact, I am fairly critical of some of the things she does. the first 2 singles from her album were horrible, i HATED the American Life video (the original), i think the make-up of her upcoming box set is ridiculous. those are just a few of the examples i can think of off the top of my head, from just the last couple of weeks of my comments about Madonna here. why was what Madonna did with Britney any more disgusting that Janet humping a guy onstage? to sell albums? let me tell you, neither Janet or Madonna is in the music business as a hobby. that's the whole point of EVERYTHING they do. to sell albums. Madonna's just jumping on the gay explosion wagon and that's sad are you fucking kidding me? homosexual themes and issues have been a part of her work since the mid-80's. the "gay explosion wagon" was the rest of the world catching up to her No, it hasn't been since the mid-80's and having back up dancers in your show doesn't make it a homosexual theme. She used homosexual themes in the early 90's and then stopped when she had her first child and now she's back on the wagon again you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I follwed her in the 80's and she wasn't using homosexual themes then. Gay people didn't even like her until 1990. It's a fact that she cleaned up her act when she had Lourdes "gay people didn't like her until 1990"
are you fuckin kiddin me!? what do you think all of her work with AIDS was about in the mid 1980's? the AIDS tribute during Live To Tell at her '87 concerts. the 2 meen in one booth, and a woman in another booth in the Open Your Heart video. Basquiat? Harring? | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
by the way, if you're 25. you didn't follow shit in the mid-80's. you were 8. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
AaronMaximus said: by the way, if you're 25. you didn't follow shit in the mid-80's. you were 8.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?! Maybe when you were 8 you weren't following music, but I was. Don't you dare speak for me! I have been a diehard music fan/historian since I was 6 and all of my friends were adults. You have no goddamn idea how I grew up, so maybe you should keep that shit to yourself | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: by the way, if you're 25. you didn't follow shit in the mid-80's. you were 8.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?! Maybe when you were 8 you weren't following music, but I was. Don't you dare speak for me! I have been a diehard music fan/historian since I was 6 and all of my friends were adults. You have no goddamn idea how I grew up, so maybe you should keep that shit to yourself when you were 8, you were picking up on the gay themes of people's music and image? i don't think so. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Janfriend said: I have been a diehard music fan/historian since I was 6
a music historian at the age of 6 | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
you must not be a very good one.
"gay people only started liking Madonna in 1990"
that's the funniest | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said
It seems like you're the hypocrite, first talking about what Madonna says and doesn't do and then what she does and doesn't say. What's more important to you?
don't even know what you're getting at there.
First you say Madonna doesn write as explicitly as Janet which makes her less slutty. Then, you said Madonna doesn't do as many slutty things as Janet To me it's what you do and Madonna has done far more slutty and whorish things than Janet and Madonna is a poser. She has admitted to doing thing just because that's what's "in" She doesn't even have her own identity I didn't say that Madonna hasn't done slutty things. My issue, however, is that often, those things aren't quite as slutty as some make them out to be. And that Janet fans regularly trash Madonna for being slutty, when Janet's lyrics and stage shows actually ARE slutty, and not just interpreted to be. For the record Janet did not talk about sexual positions on Oprah. She did, however, talk about sexual sensations due to piercings
oh, my bad. that's such a different thing. i rest my case.
I never said Janet was perfect, you did
not once in my life
What Madonna did on the VMA's was disgusting because of the reasons for which she did it like everything she does. You should lay off. You really got some Janet hate going on. When you criticize other artists people don't jump all over you about Madonna. You should be respectful of other peoples opinions of your flawless goddess
but isn't that why people put their favorite artists in their profiles? for me to use as ammo when pointing out what hypocrites they are?
as for the rest... I don't think Madonna is flawless, in fact, I am fairly critical of some of the things she does. the first 2 singles from her album were horrible, i HATED the American Life video (the original), i think the make-up of her upcoming box set is ridiculous. those are just a few of the examples i can think of off the top of my head, from just the last couple of weeks of my comments about Madonna here. why was what Madonna did with Britney any more disgusting that Janet humping a guy onstage? to sell albums? let me tell you, neither Janet or Madonna is in the music business as a hobby. that's the whole point of EVERYTHING they do. to sell albums. Madonna's just jumping on the gay explosion wagon and that's sad are you fucking kidding me? homosexual themes and issues have been a part of her work since the mid-80's. the "gay explosion wagon" was the rest of the world catching up to her No, it hasn't been since the mid-80's and having back up dancers in your show doesn't make it a homosexual theme. She used homosexual themes in the early 90's and then stopped when she had her first child and now she's back on the wagon again you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I follwed her in the 80's and she wasn't using homosexual themes then. Gay people didn't even like her until 1990. It's a fact that she cleaned up her act when she had Lourdes "gay people didn't like her until 1990"
are you fuckin kiddin me!? what do you think all of her work with AIDS was about in the mid 1980's? the AIDS tribute during Live To Tell at her '87 concerts. the 2 meen in one booth, and a woman in another booth in the Open Your Heart video. Basquiat? Harring? Her work with AIDS is not a gay issue. AIDS is not a gay disease, or didn't you know? That "Open Your Heart" video was nothing. I know plenty of gay people who have told me they didn't become interested in Madonna's work until they saw the "Justify My Love" video or the "Truth or Dare" film | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said
It seems like you're the hypocrite, first talking about what Madonna says and doesn't do and then what she does and doesn't say. What's more important to you?
don't even know what you're getting at there.
First you say Madonna doesn write as explicitly as Janet which makes her less slutty. Then, you said Madonna doesn't do as many slutty things as Janet To me it's what you do and Madonna has done far more slutty and whorish things than Janet and Madonna is a poser. She has admitted to doing thing just because that's what's "in" She doesn't even have her own identity I didn't say that Madonna hasn't done slutty things. My issue, however, is that often, those things aren't quite as slutty as some make them out to be. And that Janet fans regularly trash Madonna for being slutty, when Janet's lyrics and stage shows actually ARE slutty, and not just interpreted to be. For the record Janet did not talk about sexual positions on Oprah. She did, however, talk about sexual sensations due to piercings
oh, my bad. that's such a different thing. i rest my case.
I never said Janet was perfect, you did
not once in my life
What Madonna did on the VMA's was disgusting because of the reasons for which she did it like everything she does. You should lay off. You really got some Janet hate going on. When you criticize other artists people don't jump all over you about Madonna. You should be respectful of other peoples opinions of your flawless goddess
but isn't that why people put their favorite artists in their profiles? for me to use as ammo when pointing out what hypocrites they are?
as for the rest... I don't think Madonna is flawless, in fact, I am fairly critical of some of the things she does. the first 2 singles from her album were horrible, i HATED the American Life video (the original), i think the make-up of her upcoming box set is ridiculous. those are just a few of the examples i can think of off the top of my head, from just the last couple of weeks of my comments about Madonna here. why was what Madonna did with Britney any more disgusting that Janet humping a guy onstage? to sell albums? let me tell you, neither Janet or Madonna is in the music business as a hobby. that's the whole point of EVERYTHING they do. to sell albums. Madonna's just jumping on the gay explosion wagon and that's sad are you fucking kidding me? homosexual themes and issues have been a part of her work since the mid-80's. the "gay explosion wagon" was the rest of the world catching up to her No, it hasn't been since the mid-80's and having back up dancers in your show doesn't make it a homosexual theme. She used homosexual themes in the early 90's and then stopped when she had her first child and now she's back on the wagon again you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I follwed her in the 80's and she wasn't using homosexual themes then. Gay people didn't even like her until 1990. It's a fact that she cleaned up her act when she had Lourdes "gay people didn't like her until 1990"
are you fuckin kiddin me!? what do you think all of her work with AIDS was about in the mid 1980's? the AIDS tribute during Live To Tell at her '87 concerts. the 2 meen in one booth, and a woman in another booth in the Open Your Heart video. Basquiat? Harring? Her work with AIDS is not a gay issue. AIDS is not a gay disease, or didn't you know? That "Open Your Heart" video was nothing. I know plenty of gay people who have told me they didn't become interested in Madonna's work until they saw the "Justify My Love" video or the "Truth or Dare" film in the 1980's, AIDS *was* a gay issue, especially for a celebrity lending one's name to the cause. how many gay people do you know, and how old are they? many people may tell you a lot of things, but that's only anecdotal. if you choose to make a generalization based on anecdotal evidence, then your generalization is wrong. and you're ignorant. so there. as i said before, you don't know what you're talking about. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: by the way, if you're 25. you didn't follow shit in the mid-80's. you were 8.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?! Maybe when you were 8 you weren't following music, but I was. Don't you dare speak for me! I have been a diehard music fan/historian since I was 6 and all of my friends were adults. You have no goddamn idea how I grew up, so maybe you should keep that shit to yourself when you were 8, you were picking up on the gay themes of people's music and image? i don't think so. Yes, I was as a matter of fact I was dumbass. I didn't grow up sheltered like you obviously did | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said
It seems like you're the hypocrite, first talking about what Madonna says and doesn't do and then what she does and doesn't say. What's more important to you?
don't even know what you're getting at there.
First you say Madonna doesn write as explicitly as Janet which makes her less slutty. Then, you said Madonna doesn't do as many slutty things as Janet To me it's what you do and Madonna has done far more slutty and whorish things than Janet and Madonna is a poser. She has admitted to doing thing just because that's what's "in" She doesn't even have her own identity I didn't say that Madonna hasn't done slutty things. My issue, however, is that often, those things aren't quite as slutty as some make them out to be. And that Janet fans regularly trash Madonna for being slutty, when Janet's lyrics and stage shows actually ARE slutty, and not just interpreted to be. For the record Janet did not talk about sexual positions on Oprah. She did, however, talk about sexual sensations due to piercings
oh, my bad. that's such a different thing. i rest my case.
I never said Janet was perfect, you did
not once in my life
What Madonna did on the VMA's was disgusting because of the reasons for which she did it like everything she does. You should lay off. You really got some Janet hate going on. When you criticize other artists people don't jump all over you about Madonna. You should be respectful of other peoples opinions of your flawless goddess
but isn't that why people put their favorite artists in their profiles? for me to use as ammo when pointing out what hypocrites they are?
as for the rest... I don't think Madonna is flawless, in fact, I am fairly critical of some of the things she does. the first 2 singles from her album were horrible, i HATED the American Life video (the original), i think the make-up of her upcoming box set is ridiculous. those are just a few of the examples i can think of off the top of my head, from just the last couple of weeks of my comments about Madonna here. why was what Madonna did with Britney any more disgusting that Janet humping a guy onstage? to sell albums? let me tell you, neither Janet or Madonna is in the music business as a hobby. that's the whole point of EVERYTHING they do. to sell albums. Madonna's just jumping on the gay explosion wagon and that's sad are you fucking kidding me? homosexual themes and issues have been a part of her work since the mid-80's. the "gay explosion wagon" was the rest of the world catching up to her No, it hasn't been since the mid-80's and having back up dancers in your show doesn't make it a homosexual theme. She used homosexual themes in the early 90's and then stopped when she had her first child and now she's back on the wagon again you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I follwed her in the 80's and she wasn't using homosexual themes then. Gay people didn't even like her until 1990. It's a fact that she cleaned up her act when she had Lourdes "gay people didn't like her until 1990"
are you fuckin kiddin me!? what do you think all of her work with AIDS was about in the mid 1980's? the AIDS tribute during Live To Tell at her '87 concerts. the 2 meen in one booth, and a woman in another booth in the Open Your Heart video. Basquiat? Harring? Her work with AIDS is not a gay issue. AIDS is not a gay disease, or didn't you know? That "Open Your Heart" video was nothing. I know plenty of gay people who have told me they didn't become interested in Madonna's work until they saw the "Justify My Love" video or the "Truth or Dare" film in the 1980's, AIDS *was* a gay issue, especially for a celebrity lending one's name to the cause. how many gay people do you know, and how old are they? many people may tell you a lot of things, but that's only anecdotal. if you choose to make a generalization based on anecdotal evidence, then your generalization is wrong. and you're ignorant. so there. as i said before, you don't know what you're talking about. AIDS stopped becoming a gay issue in 1985 when a large number of non-gay people became infected with the disease. Because of that, they changed the name from GRID (Gay Related Immune Deficiency) to AIDS (Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). That is also when they started screening donated blood nationwide. By 1987, it was definitely not a gay issue. I'm not the ignorant one here As for how many gay people I know and there ages? I know hundreds of gay people from my age to 60, but I shouldn't have to prove myself to you, now should I | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said
It seems like you're the hypocrite, first talking about what Madonna says and doesn't do and then what she does and doesn't say. What's more important to you?
don't even know what you're getting at there.
First you say Madonna doesn write as explicitly as Janet which makes her less slutty. Then, you said Madonna doesn't do as many slutty things as Janet To me it's what you do and Madonna has done far more slutty and whorish things than Janet and Madonna is a poser. She has admitted to doing thing just because that's what's "in" She doesn't even have her own identity I didn't say that Madonna hasn't done slutty things. My issue, however, is that often, those things aren't quite as slutty as some make them out to be. And that Janet fans regularly trash Madonna for being slutty, when Janet's lyrics and stage shows actually ARE slutty, and not just interpreted to be. For the record Janet did not talk about sexual positions on Oprah. She did, however, talk about sexual sensations due to piercings
oh, my bad. that's such a different thing. i rest my case.
I never said Janet was perfect, you did
not once in my life
What Madonna did on the VMA's was disgusting because of the reasons for which she did it like everything she does. You should lay off. You really got some Janet hate going on. When you criticize other artists people don't jump all over you about Madonna. You should be respectful of other peoples opinions of your flawless goddess
but isn't that why people put their favorite artists in their profiles? for me to use as ammo when pointing out what hypocrites they are?
as for the rest... I don't think Madonna is flawless, in fact, I am fairly critical of some of the things she does. the first 2 singles from her album were horrible, i HATED the American Life video (the original), i think the make-up of her upcoming box set is ridiculous. those are just a few of the examples i can think of off the top of my head, from just the last couple of weeks of my comments about Madonna here. why was what Madonna did with Britney any more disgusting that Janet humping a guy onstage? to sell albums? let me tell you, neither Janet or Madonna is in the music business as a hobby. that's the whole point of EVERYTHING they do. to sell albums. Madonna's just jumping on the gay explosion wagon and that's sad are you fucking kidding me? homosexual themes and issues have been a part of her work since the mid-80's. the "gay explosion wagon" was the rest of the world catching up to her No, it hasn't been since the mid-80's and having back up dancers in your show doesn't make it a homosexual theme. She used homosexual themes in the early 90's and then stopped when she had her first child and now she's back on the wagon again you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I follwed her in the 80's and she wasn't using homosexual themes then. Gay people didn't even like her until 1990. It's a fact that she cleaned up her act when she had Lourdes "gay people didn't like her until 1990"
are you fuckin kiddin me!? what do you think all of her work with AIDS was about in the mid 1980's? the AIDS tribute during Live To Tell at her '87 concerts. the 2 meen in one booth, and a woman in another booth in the Open Your Heart video. Basquiat? Harring? Her work with AIDS is not a gay issue. AIDS is not a gay disease, or didn't you know? That "Open Your Heart" video was nothing. I know plenty of gay people who have told me they didn't become interested in Madonna's work until they saw the "Justify My Love" video or the "Truth or Dare" film in the 1980's, AIDS *was* a gay issue, especially for a celebrity lending one's name to the cause. how many gay people do you know, and how old are they? many people may tell you a lot of things, but that's only anecdotal. if you choose to make a generalization based on anecdotal evidence, then your generalization is wrong. and you're ignorant. so there. as i said before, you don't know what you're talking about. AIDS stopped becoming a gay issue in 1985 when a large number of non-gay people became infected with the disease. Because of that, they changed the name from GRID (Gay Related Immune Deficiency) to AIDS (Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). That is also when they started screening donated blood nationwide. By 1987, it was definitely not a gay issue. I'm not the ignorant one here As for how many gay people I know and there ages? I know hundreds of gay people from my age to 60, but I shouldn't have to prove myself to you, now should I  there's no point in discussing this with you. you obviously don't know anything about Madonna, and are in denial about Janet. you're just like every other Janet fan i've debated in the last 6 years about this.
go ahead and be wrong. it suits you | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said: AaronMaximus said: Janfriend said
It seems like you're the hypocrite, first talking about what Madonna says and doesn't do and then what she does and doesn't say. What's more important to you?
don't even know what you're getting at there.
First you say Madonna doesn write as explicitly as Janet which makes her less slutty. Then, you said Madonna doesn't do as many slutty things as Janet To me it's what you do and Madonna has done far more slutty and whorish things than Janet and Madonna is a poser. She has admitted to doing thing just because that's what's "in" She doesn't even have her own identity I didn't say that Madonna hasn't done slutty things. My issue, however, is that often, those things aren't quite as slutty as some make them out to be. And that Janet fans regularly trash Madonna for being slutty, when Janet's lyrics and stage shows actually ARE slutty, and not just interpreted to be. For the record Janet did not talk about sexual positions on Oprah. She did, however, talk about sexual sensations due to piercings
oh, my bad. that's such a different thing. i rest my case.
I never said Janet was perfect, you did
not once in my life
What Madonna did on the VMA's was disgusting because of the reasons for which she did it like everything she does. You should lay off. You really got some Janet hate going on. When you criticize other artists people don't jump all over you about Madonna. You should be respectful of other peoples opinions of your flawless goddess
but isn't that why people put their favorite artists in their profiles? for me to use as ammo when pointing out what hypocrites they are?
as for the rest... I don't think Madonna is flawless, in fact, I am fairly critical of some of the things she does. the first 2 singles from her album were horrible, i HATED the American Life video (the original), i think the make-up of her upcoming box set is ridiculous. those are just a few of the examples i can think of off the top of my head, from just the last couple of weeks of my comments about Madonna here. why was what Madonna did with Britney any more disgusting that Janet humping a guy onstage? to sell albums? let me tell you, neither Janet or Madonna is in the music business as a hobby. that's the whole point of EVERYTHING they do. to sell albums. Madonna's just jumping on the gay explosion wagon and that's sad are you fucking kidding me? homosexual themes and issues have been a part of her work since the mid-80's. the "gay explosion wagon" was the rest of the world catching up to her No, it hasn't been since the mid-80's and having back up dancers in your show doesn't make it a homosexual theme. She used homosexual themes in the early 90's and then stopped when she had her first child and now she's back on the wagon again you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I follwed her in the 80's and she wasn't using homosexual themes then. Gay people didn't even like her until 1990. It's a fact that she cleaned up her act when she had Lourdes "gay people didn't like her until 1990"
are you fuckin kiddin me!? what do you think all of her work with AIDS was about in the mid 1980's? the AIDS tribute during Live To Tell at her '87 concerts. the 2 meen in one booth, and a woman in another booth in the Open Your Heart video. Basquiat? Harring? Her work with AIDS is not a gay issue. AIDS is not a gay disease, or didn't you know? That "Open Your Heart" video was nothing. I know plenty of gay people who have told me they didn't become interested in Madonna's work until they saw the "Justify My Love" video or the "Truth or Dare" film in the 1980's, AIDS *was* a gay issue, especially for a celebrity lending one's name to the cause. how many gay people do you know, and how old are they? many people may tell you a lot of things, but that's only anecdotal. if you choose to make a generalization based on anecdotal evidence, then your generalization is wrong. and you're ignorant. so there. as i said before, you don't know what you're talking about. AIDS stopped becoming a gay issue in 1985 when a large number of non-gay people became infected with the disease. Because of that, they changed the name from GRID (Gay Related Immune Deficiency) to AIDS (Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). That is also when they started screening donated blood nationwide. By 1987, it was definitely not a gay issue. I'm not the ignorant one here As for how many gay people I know and there ages? I know hundreds of gay people from my age to 60, but I shouldn't have to prove myself to you, now should I there's no point in discussing this with you. you obviously don't know anything about Madonna, and are in denial about Janet. you're just like every other Janet fan i've debated in the last 6 years about this.
go ahead and be wrong. it suits you Ah, I see you had no comeback for that one because I am correct. Actually, I know everything about Madonna. If you read this thread from the beginning, I never said Janet wasn't slutty, but there are some far more outrageous things that Madonna has done that Janet hasn't. You were trying to make Janet out to be more slutty than Madonna. You were trying to make Madonna less of a slut. I never said Janet was less of a slut. I'm not im denial about Janet in anything. What exactly am I wrong about here? All I said was that I agreed with Stevie Nicks' comments. You got your panties all in a bunch and decided to bring Janet in the mix when it wasn't even necessary. You started this, not me, and now you can't even finish it. All you know how to do is throw insults at people for not loving your queen. I, on the other hand, could care less if anybody likes Janet. If someone said she was wrong for doing something and I disagreed with it, I would say so in a respectful way and not throw insults and question their knowledge or call them ignorant as you've so eloquently done here And there's no way in hell you can tell me that Madonna's fanbase didn't shift tremendously after "The Immaculate Collection" was released | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Janfriend said: AIDS stopped becoming a gay issue in 1985 when a large number of non-gay people became infected with the disease. Because of that, they changed the name from GRID (Gay Related Immune Deficiency) to AIDS (Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). That is also when they started screening donated blood nationwide. By 1987, it was definitely not a gay issue. I'm not the ignorant one here
As for how many gay people I know and there ages? I know hundreds of gay people from my age to 60, but I shouldn't have to prove myself to you, now should I k, REALITY CHECK yes, in the mid 80s HIV/AIDS did start impacting communities other than they gaycommunity, you are right there. HOWEVER, it was very much a 'gay disease' still at the time, at least in the U.S. A whole generation of gay men was almost decimated during this time period. Yes, people in other groups were being infected and getting sick, but not in the numbers and magnitude as of the gay community. Madonna got on the AIDS agenda because of THIS- to help raise awareness, funs, and educate people. It wasn't until the mid 90s that the infection trends in the U.S. really changed... | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
as for stevie's comments...
whatevs I like her music, but I HATE when celebrities rip on other celebrities actions. She may be a legend but she's taking herself too seriously. Quit idolizing yourself Stevie... | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
i reiterate: are you fuckin kiddin me!? | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
OH my god--you guys either need to start a new thread or maybe GET A LIFE??? Let the rain come down...17 days.... | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
purplegypsy said: OH my god--you guys either need to start a new thread or maybe GET A LIFE???
why would we do that? it's over  | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
...majority of the "entertainers" today are into SHOCK VALUE!!! folks it up to you to say if you need it, feed it or breed it...save yer money, honey, it aint funny!!!
ima poet an didnt knowit' *... "ive always said, that if you have to ask for something more than once or twice, it wasnt yours in the first place"...* | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
purplegypsy said: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,7305694%255E2902,00.html
Madonna-Britney kiss angers Stevie By NUI TE KOHA 19sep03 STEVIE Nicks rates the notorious Madonna-Britney kiss as the most obnoxious television moment ever. "First of all, Madonna is too old to be kissing someone who is 22," the Fleetwood Mac singer told the Herald Sun. "And Britney should be smarter than that. Hopefully, she will figure a way out of this hole she has dug for herself." Original rock chick Nicks, 55, said Spears and Christina Aguilera should wear more clothes and try writing decent songs. "I personally have never been to a strip club, but I turn on MTV and see in every single video what it must be like to be at a strip club," Nicks said. "I think the mystery is gone, and if you have no mystery, then you aren't even sexy. "Real sexuality and sensuality is in the music, and all these girls, vis-a-vis, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and on and on, should go back to writing songs and start over because it won't last and they won't last. "When they are 55, they won't be around and that's sad because I think a lot of those girls are very talented. But they are signing their own death warrants." Nicks was appalled by Madonna's publicity stunt kiss with Spears at the recent MTV Awards. "I thought it was the most obnoxious moment in television history," she said. "Madonna will be fine. Madonna is Madonna. She does what she wants. She will get over this. But will Britney get over it? I don't know." Nicks revealed Madonna asked Jennifer Lopez to be in the smoochy routine, but J.Lo told Madge to kiss something else. Nicks is the ultimate rock survivor, weathering drug addictions, depression and a tumultuous relationship with Lindsey Buckingham. Fleetwood Mac performs at Rod Laver Arena on February 23. Tickets go on sale on Monday. Your avatar is one of my FAVORITE pics of Stevie!!! I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
How can Madonna do the "kiss" one week and then relese a children's book right after?
The all-time hypocritcal sequence of promotion. BTW I'd take a 1976 Stevie over a 2003 Britney any day. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
origmnd said: How can Madonna do the "kiss" one week and then relese a children's book right after?
The all-time hypocritcal sequence of promotion. what's hypocritical of it? aren't you able to do two completely different tasks at work from one week to the next? | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
CONTRADICTION of interest.
She was SO into "promoting" her desire to raise her daughter correctly on Oprah. But its OK to tongue a 22 year old on nat'l tv for all kids to see. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
origmnd said: BTW I'd take a 1976 Stevie over a 2003
Britney any day.  | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
origmnd said: CONTRADICTION of interest.
She was SO into "promoting" her desire to raise her daughter correctly on Oprah. But its OK to tongue a 22 year old on nat'l tv for all kids to see. Yeah,I see what you're saying,but you have to remember that it's all just entertainment.Artists are entertainers too.It's like when an actor or actress appears in an R-rated movie,in a graphic love scene.That's their job,it's what they do for a living.I'm sure their children would understand that. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I can't believe there is so much hate for Maddy on this site. As if Prince has never pulled any lame publicity stunts. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
origmnd said: CONTRADICTION of interest.
She was SO into "promoting" her desire to raise her daughter correctly on Oprah. But its OK to tongue a 22 year old on nat'l tv for all kids to see. oh, there's something wrong with kissing... okay
btw, do "kids" even watch MTV? hold old of a "kid" are we talking here. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Maybe someone (since former crack-head Oprah didn't) will ask Madoona if she let her daughter watch the 'kiss" & how she "explained' it to her...
So I guess it's Ok to do ANYTHNG to make a buck [This message was edited Tue Sep 23 22:03:41 PDT 2003 by origmnd] | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |