Cloudbuster said:

Somebody gotta post pics of Stevie Nicks. I just remember her as being a weird witchy type. Kinda like a hag, even.

PFunkjazz said:

Just look at the top avatar. That's a fine looking witch if you ask me.

The whole thing was symbolic, which is why I loved it. I'm mainly into people who write their songs and play something, BUT I thought this performance was awesome.

What symbolism? The new girls paying tribute to the original Boy Toy... Brit and Christina even rolled around the floor a bit... The crowd was LOVING it... No, Britney can't sing and Maddy couldn't sing back in 84 either (That made it even more of a tribute...lol)

When Madonna came out EVERYONE went CRAZY. That was awesome. This is the Video Music awards and she is the Queen. C'mon now... I thought it was really cool of these younger pop stars to sing back up... Respect. The kiss was short and sweet. Not sensual really. It wasn't like the Justify My Love video... I really saw the kiss as symbolic too. Not necessarily passing the torch, but more like initiation.

I dig the Hollywood song and then Missy came out and did her thing. It was a great performance. And I don't like Britney. I HATED the thing she did with the snakes... I like Christina a lot because she can sing her ass off. Madonna can sing too, she just isn't as strong. I love Madonna though.

This performance is along the same lines of the Moulin Rouge/Lady Marmalade performance. Everyone had such presence and no one took away from anyone else.

Cloudbuster said:

That pic looks like Britney to me, even though I figured it was Stevie...

Stevie is right on with her statements. There is absolutely no mystery anymore. That might sound like an "old lady" statement, but us old ladies are right. Madonna will do anything to get attention and to involve herself with the young crowd. She had the nerve to say she didn't give Britney any tongue so the kiss was no big deal. The latest cover or Rolling Stone is a prime example of how much the mysteries of women have disappeared. Yes, Stevie has done some crazy things in her life, but haven't we all? She at least keeps her clothes on and doesn't do silly, immature things to gain attention. Madonna doesn't fool me at all. Her new uppity way of speaking and the new lovely english book does not change who she really is. I know many people love her and think she is the greatest thing ever, but to me she will always will be a fake!

kisscamille said:

Cloudbuster said:

GOd I love you pro-stevie people!! LOL. Go to the www.nicksfix.com and click on photos to see a span of 30 years of Stevie pics

You Madonna fams, errr, fans sure do get riled at the truth.

sosgemini said:

what happened to Laura Branigan?

Cloudbuster said:

sorry, man.
IMO, just not very attractive now or then. Must be the clothes..err, ummm "mystery". Get rid of some of it. I'd definitely kick her out of bed (as soon as I figured how she got there).

I LOVE the very last line of the entire article - Stevie pimping HER next show... so, in the end, the entire stupidass article was just to get press for her OWN Dog & Pony show.

Britney is doing whatever it takes to keep her name out there, just like Stevie did with this stupid commentary. Great advice from a true diva who's been there, but HASN'T done that. Stevie had the advantage of kickstarting her solo career off the coattails of a HUGELY successful band, and whenever her solo career plummets, POOF, she's made up with the band and they're out on tour again.

Not to be catty, but, shit, I wish I had ME a security blanket to pad my solo career.

otan said:

to be fair to stevie, she didn't mention the performance. that was the journalist's doing. as for coattails and making up with the band...stevie never had to rely on the mac. her solo albums have sold just fine on their own. and she's always been friendly with the members of fleetwood mac (excepting lindsey). as a matter of fact, some of those records would not have happened if stevie hadn't been behind the scenes pushing the members together (check out the story behind tango in the night).

otan said:

The coattails of that band wasn't "hugely" successful until the mid 70s, after Buckingham/Nicks joined the Mac. Before that they were successful, but nowhere near the scale that the more pop-influenced duo of she and Buckingham (along with McVie) helped them to be. This is why the more blues based Fleetwood Mac (with Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer and Danny Kirwan) is held in higher esteem than the more pop/rock group by those who value blues/rock over it. Stylistically there was a drastic shift. Mick Fleetwood looking for other members led to them reaching their commercial stratosphere. Stevie didn't ride on any coattails, she was one of the direct contributors to their huge success.

Supernova said:

And Stevie's last solo album hit no.5 on Billboard. Hardly a flop.

sosgemini said:

Actually Laura Branigan could sing.

Cloudbuster said:

As far as I knew, most (or all) of Stevie's solo albums were successful, and usually supported by successful tours. I always heard her solo music on the radio and saw the videos on video channels. But nowadays she won't get that type of attention (not consistently anyway), because with few exceptions the marketing of pop music is a young person's game - regardless of the quality of music.

Supernova said:

I think Street Angel ('94) was the only album of Stevie's not to do good business in the US. I'm sure it was top 20 in the UK though.

Supernova said:

ehhh, I'm not really riled.


Stevie is working from the assumption that what Madonna, Britney, and Christina has backfired and was a negative thing for the three of them.

She even said that Madonna is Madonna and that she'll be fine, but she goes on to say that Madonna will come through it, but for Christina and Britney it was some career-ending PR tragedy, which it was not.

It did what it was supposed to do, which is get people talking about the VMA's (which needs this sort of thing to be even remotely relevant), Madonna (who could use an album & single sales boost), Britney (who needs people to start talking about her again and know that she's back, before she launches a new album in the coming months) and Christina (who... well, she seems to have an eye out for any opportunity to ho around).

I see the points Stevie is making, and I'd agree with them to a certain extent, if we weren't talking about WHO we're talking about, and in what context.

AaronMaximus said:

OK.


I really have no opinion of whether or not it's the career suicide Stevie insinuates, but I do agree with the other things she brings up.

Supernova said:

Oh, certainly. I do too. And I think that what Madonna did in the 80's and 90's turned out to be a very slippery slope for those female pop goddesses that have followed.

They've seen that being slutty and bad girls is great for exposure and record sales. What they didn't take away from it is the button-pushing/thought-provoking, real-life controversy of pushing the boundaries of pop culture and society, and not just the running around half-naked and being slutty for the hell of it.

purplegypsy said:[quote]

Original rock chick Nicks, 55, said Spears and
Christina Aguilera should wear more clothes and try
writing decent songs.

OUCH!!!

purplegypsy said:

Well, that's the smartest thing Jennifer's done this year. Calling off that fake-ass wedding and putting an end to that manufactored romance with Ben doesn't even count.

i agree as well. i really don't know what it was supposed to achieve. i for one was not shocked at all. it was just a cheap publicity stunt.

purplegypsy said:[quote]
STEVIE Nicks rates the notorious Madonna-Britney kiss
as the most obnoxious television moment ever.[quote]
oh come on



what hole? that kiss brought her into the public eye again. she's popular again. I mean you sure as hell don't hear people asking her about her new music do you? just another way to pimp her new album

well, if she knew a damn thing about christina she would know that she does write decent songs, and she does wear more clothes. I bet stevie doesn't know anything about christina, she's still obviously stuck up on "dirrrty" (which came out a year ago)
as far as britney goes, I agree


well, "strip clubs" sell


not all mysterious people are sexy
I partially agree

christina will.
and to be quite honest who actually wants britney to last???
once again, I partially agree

funny how people said that exact same thing about madonna in '85, eh?






uh, how can she reveal anything? what inside scoop does she have?


I myself, wasn't shocked, horrified, insulted, whatever, by the kiss. It was an obvious publicity stunt that worked. Madge has a book out, britney's on rollingstone, and everyone from stevie, to my father, to us, are still talking about it.
in the long run, no, it won'thelp britney at all, but it's just enough for her to get some airplay on mtv and get some more money in her pocket so she can go buy some new bubble gum lip gloss. which is all that really matters to her.

Maddy and christina don't need the kiss to boost thm, britney does.
Britney can't write/co write all the songs on her album and belt them out (like christina), and she can't be a smart-ass, provactive, buisness woman (like maddy).

She needs stuff like this. Her voice & writing won't help. talking about justin and kissing madonna will.

I like Stevie Nicks,but I can't see why she would get so bent out of shape about this.She obviously has never seen the VMAs before.That show is supposed to be fun,shocking and a complete mockery of other Awards shows.That's why Prince appeared on the show wearing ass-less pants in 1991.It's supposed to wild and outrageous.I really don't think anything that these artists do on this show is gonna hurt their careers in any way.I'm actually surprised at the amount of attention and furor that kiss has caused.

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

Exactly,and let's not forget that in the late-70s,she got pregnant by Don Henley and had an abortion.That's no crime of course,but I'm just bringing it up to prove a point.All people do things in their lives that are,shall we say,questionable.

stevie missed the whole point of that performance.

she herself talked about hollywood twenty years ago.
the feeling remains even after the glitter fades.

madonna is pointing that out now. saying dig deeper.
madonna is in total control of her career. has been since day 1. that is something to admire. she is a survivor who never fell into the depths like so many others. she is also an artist. if you look at her back catalogue, she has co-written so many of her songs, at least 90%. and on top of that, she is a visual artist. she makes statements.

stevie is very much a part of showbiz. if she can recover from being to fat to feel comfortable to perform on stage, britney can recover from a kiss.

marlene, marilyn, madonna...they have all pushed buttons while being sexual. life is not all about mystery. sometimes you have to see thru to the truth.

stevie should go see tori amos in concert.
she is art and sexual energy rolled into one.
she has a message to share and she looks fucking great too.

i admire stevie nicks but, she too is all about her image.

this is a safe topic for her to comment on. i want to know where were her comments in support of her friends the dixie chicks when so many were against them.

and as far as age, patti labelle and dolly parton are just as old, and are able role models for knowing the difference between the image and what's behind it.

so, stevie, remember art is subjective. it affects us all in different ways.

you are a wild enchantress and these girls, they too have their gifts.

iwishyouheaven said:

They showed up somewhere tongue kissing girls young enough to be their daughters too?

my point is this:

christina and missy along with those other girls paid tribute to patti labelle on some award show. patti came out and sang with them and she made her comments on their outfits. the hip hop community loves patti and she is all over the place right now. still working

dolly parton has an upcoming tribute album. strong women interpreting her songs. she also is going to be on oprah.

madonna is known for pushing sexual buttons and that's what they did on the vma's. 20 yrs. ago she was the bride.
she has transformed and is now the groom with 2 brides.
so, she kissed them. big deal. it was a perfomance.

stevie nicks had no problem appearing in the video for bootylicious or playing it in her concerts. plus, when landslide was covered by the dixie chicks, stevie really went with the publicity. she talked that up and appeared a few places to sing with them. they honored her--just in a different way.

so, why is stevie so bothered? is it the age difference or the same sex kissing or just the fact that style sometimes wins over substance.

iwishyouheaven said:

Well, if you read what she's quoted as saying and don't understand it, I guess there's really no use in me explaining it. Carry on...