Some more tidbits...


***There is a bootleg CD called "Emmy and the Emmys: First Time Out Of Manhattan".It's a 1980 live recording of Madonna and her band performing at a nightclub.

***Months before the 'American Life' CD was released,we were hearing all these crazy rumors about a possible Dr.Dre collaboration called "Believe Her" (or "Believer").Since nobody has ever heard this song,I'm gonna assume that it doesn't exist.

***Also,I don't know if songs like "Unless It's You" and "Rock Vanity" really exist,so I didn't include them on the list.An early rumor from last year insisted that "Rock Vanity" would be the title of Madonna's album.

***According to producer Steve Bray,the original,unreleased version of "Express Yourself" (recorded in 1988) is superior to the released version.Hopefully,we will get to judge for ourselves one day.

***Apparently,there are many more outtakes from the 'ROL' sessions.In addition to the four circulating tracks ("Gone,Gone,Gone","Revenge","Like A Flower",and "No Substitute For Love"),William Orbit has indicated that he may release several other outtakes on a future album of his own.

DavidEye said:

they do not. actually, "Mad" is a well-known Prince outtake (94/95 NPG era).

i've seen Funk as an uncirculating outtake title as well.


the info popped up in Prince circles as a joke played by a PP employee. another PP employee, a few months later, revealed that it was a hoax. in the meantime, i had emailed madonnacatalog about it, and they put it on their list of outtakes. when i emailed them with the correction, they noted my comments, but left it there anyway. this is how it started getting referenced by Madonna fans and on Madonna pages.

AaronSuperior said:

I did some "research" on the song "Jitterbug" and this is what I found out...


"Bruce Baron recently listened to this track at the Library of Congress,and he notes that "Jitterbug" has no official copyright registration.This one was a major surprise! In addition to the songs I requested,the tape contained alternate mixes of several songs (to be discussed later) and about 30 sec to the end of a song called "Jitterbug".It was mostly taped over,but showed up between two of the tracks.It is listed on the handwritten label to the whole tape,but it has no copyright registration of it's own.No song writer is listed.It was originally spelled with a "G" but was written over darker with a "J" in blue ink.It's typical generic Shep dance music with Madonna finishing up with "Jitterbug,Jitterbug".Perhaps it's a cover? There is not enough to tell...she stops but the music continues.She says "Yeah,that one has some good ideas to it".The music continues and she says "Isn't anyone going to turn this damn thing off?".It abruptly ends.It seems to be just silly studio fun,and not really 'Erotica' album material but there was more before Shep recorded over it.He might have a longer copy on file?"



Sounds like "Jitterbug" was most likely a work-in-progress,perhaps based on that scene in "A League Of their Own" that you mentioned?

"I'd Ratha Be Yo Lover" (1994) an alternate version of "I'd Rather Be Your Lover" features a rap by Tupac Shakur.

This version featuring Tupac's rap can be found on a Tupac bootleg called "There's 2 Sides Of Every Story".Tupac's rap comes at the beginning of the song before Madonna begins singing.These are the lyrics...


"Hey they mind's different from what the lips say
even when the media is gettin' greedier,you wake
they hips sway,hittin' with the bomb ambition
I caught you peepin',no more sleepin'
I got you freakin' through the whole weekend
fakes speakin,is it mashin' or just they heat
try to get me all up in your satin sheets
what they say,a blonde and a thug brotha
the way you gettin' paid,I wish I was your lover"



I'm not sure why this version didn't appear on the album.When the album came out,Tupac's rap was replaced by a rap from Me'shell Ndegeocello.

DavidEye said:

because Me'Shell was on her label, and Maverick wanted to promote her on the boss's album.

also, some people say that the Tupac version is a fake. that someone took a demo or a rough mix and spliced a completely unrelated Tupac rap into it.

Wow Aaron! Some great info.

There is a track called "Forbidden Fruit" on the new Jessica Simpson album but Madonna is not listed as a songwriter. So how was it a Madonna song? The only name I recognize is Simpson (meaning she co-wrote it, I assume). Check it out.

http://www.allmusic.com/c...4uak6kam3z

DavidEye said:

i seem to recall that she wasn't actually dancing to music of the era when she was filming that scene. i have a vague recollection of someone on the set saying that she wanted to dance to her own thing, something modern, to make her energy when she was dancing in the movie seem a lot cooler.

but don't quote me on that one

VinnyM27 said:

hmmm, dunno. i'll have to find the original source where i heard the info.

This thread is making me crazy! I want it all.

Moonbeam said:

Me too

Madonna should just say "fuck it",and release a 4-CD set containing nothing but unreleased tracks.I'm sure that would make us happy until the next studio album from her...lol...or at the very least,her upcoming box set should include a few of these songs.

AaronMaximus said:

Yeah,I keep hearing that "Forbidden Fruit" is a Madonna/Mirwais song that they gave to Jessica Simpson for her new album.Supposedly,it is an outtake from 'American Life'.What's the deal,Aaron?

DavidEye said:

same thing i've heard, though i don't remember the track title.

it was a rumor back in Jan/Feb, when Caresse started co-managing Jessica.

since then, and since the buildup to Simpson's new album, i think i've only seen it once on some obscure Madonna site that i'd never been to before.