Isn't it sad that NO one cares that a "musican" on a Video Music Award show..needs to lip sync!

Yeah we have all been brainwashed into thinking that ..because some artist do "dance numbers" they will be out of breath.. so lip syncing is fine.

Which is total BS because Prince run around a whole stage all night..dances.. ect and NEVER needs lip sync!

Britney wasn't dancing! She was walking down a few stairs!! Watch the Appearance last night..

*It is that "new" lip sync kinda track that MJ started a few years ago.. in which you record your FULL Concert in the studio ONCE for the tour.. they record it sorta "raw"/Live feeling.. with your voice being a little off key OR just not produced with allot of polish.

...and then you use that LIP SYNC for the whole TOUR? Sooo sad.. but it seems "most" now do that.

Yes we are living in a Milli Vinilli Times. Nothing has Changed! They got caught in 1989. Cleaned the Pallet with Mariah Carey.. but fast forward to 1998 and NOW Mariah Lip Syncs because she can't sing live anymore either.

BUT no one cares???

Britney Lip Synced last night.. she was walking down about 8 steps. Watch the Performance.. MTV used strange camera angles to try to hide it!.. and she over acted the "singing".

* I would love to hear HER or her Managers.. having that conversation. That "MY Artist" will be Lip Syncing .. while Christina & Madonna will sing FOR REAL!

How is that Music? How does she get to help Open a Award Show, when she clearly CANT SING! Even her 5 Million Take Pre-Recorded Vocal Track sounded aweful!!! They need to put her voice through different Re-Verbs,ect... to hide she can't even sing EVEN in a Recording Studio.

BUT everyone today in the Media .. will bring up "The Kiss".

WOW Pop Music is total crap!

~Hey I am not a huge fan of "the blonde underage sex queens" of the late 90's.. BUT atleast Jessica Simpson can SING!! She sings live at Concerts, and Award Shows..

WHY isn't she getting a push.. while Britney who can't even sing in a Record Studio.. lets not even bring up LIVE.

But Britney has been "tapped" as "the next Madonna".. Janet Jackson has been erased from pop culture.Her last album was GREAT for that type of music.. BUT because she is older, she was dropped.. and they went with the youth... a Person (Britney) who is 100% a rip off of Janet Jackson.

But with NO Talent!

This "MTV History" and the erasing of Black Artist who invented ALL these styles White Artist is disgusting!

EVERYTHING Madonna did in 1984 - on.. was done by Prince & MJ .. ateast 4 years BEFORE Madonna was even discovered!
* Madonna wasn't even in NYC yet when Prince had Albums out & was doing Shocking Stuff!

EVERYTHING Britney did in 1997 - on.. was done by Janet Jackson in 1986- on.
* Yes I ahve seen Janet in Concert, and she breaks the show down and sings LIVE for a melody of songs! PLUS she is always doing atleast NEW Dance Moves for every video & every song/tour! (for that type of music she is TOPS!!!)

BUT MTV Is re-writing their History of POP Music & That Channel... with artist that rip off Black Artist, that did the SAME stuff in Music & on their own Station...

Madonna is some sort of God now? WHY what did she ever do on her own? She can't sing? She can play an instrument and be a real musican . so she RIPPED OFF MJ with "Dance Videos".. and all her SHOCK, Prince did in 1981

But on MTV they act like CHRIST came back to save us all.. last night.
[This message was edited Fri Aug 29 12:11:15 PDT 2003 by locoarts]

Britney is a useless tit with no real talent whatsoever. Just because a bunch of 9 year olds bought all her albums does not make her a star. She can not sing at all and her music is so sappy, it's sickening. I don't know why Madonna, Christina and Missy agreed to let her in on last night??

Britney is a useless tit

Much love Pochacco

Britney uses the same device every singing/dancing pop performer uses. Its called a click track and was originally intended and used for motion pictures. Britney uses it. Madonna uses it. Micheal Jackson uses it. Beyonce uses it. And yes, Janet Jackson uses it also. Who cares? Are the performances fun? Do people continue to support these performers? Do you have to watch?

Get the point? Good. Let's dance!

wizardofmath said:

No, I don't get your point. The other people you mention actually have some talent, Britney does not have one ounce of talent. She is talentless.

kisscamille said:

I suppose we all have the entitlement to our opinions.

She's got some kind of talent, though, that you have not. She's not sitting on Prince.org the day after her MTV Video Awards performance talking about talent that others don't have.

Whatever dude

wizardofmath said:

Janet has used the same moves/settings twice in her gigs.
i have the VR Tour dvd & also the Hawaii dvd.
RhythmNation,BlackCat & that medley of escapade/miss u much etc... is the same.(Missy lip-synching is pretty crap too)
i love janet,just sayin...

your point about black artists being ripped off.eg; styles & such... is correct.
i c it.
Prince did it all b4 Madonna.
then again Prince aint up on
MTV making lousy publicity stunts
on lousy MTV 4 lousy teenyboppers.
[This message was edited Fri Aug 29 20:07:55 PDT 2003 by Joshy]

Joshy said:

And Prince ain't sellin' no lousy records, either!

And, by the way, I've been on the sidelines for sometime now, and well, i thought you liked britney...

"Everything Madonna did in 1984 on was done by Prince and MJ"

Bullshit.From the very beginning,Madonna developed her own style,a style that is now being imitated by many other so-called "divas".You keep insisting that Madonna has made a career out of copying what MJ and Prince does.So,I guess MJ and Prince were the first artists to...

***dance in front of burning crosses in a video
***make a video that shows two women kissing
***wear a wedding dress during a video award show
***release an explicit book featuring erotic and nude poses
***simulate fellatio on a water bottle in a tour documentary
***kiss the feet of a black saint in a music video
***make love in an altar during a music video
***go on Letterman and discuss the health benefits of peeing on your own feet in the shower
***take an erotic photo with a dog (!) for a sex book
***make provocative videos that were banned and or/pulled from MTV
***make a controversial anti-war video in which a grenade is thrown into the hands of a George Bush lookalike
***record a song about teenage pregnancy
***record a remix album in 1987 (before they were common)



Yeah,I guess Maddy got all those ideas from MJ and Prince,right?

wizardofmath said:

when i was a teenybopper she could do no wrong in my eyes.
i still have a soft spot 4 her & think she's fine as hell!...
but i know full well what her game is nowadays.
im wiser.

Personally, I think they all kinda sucked (except for Missy). The only thing that made that performance exciting enough to bee the opening act was "the kiss."
I love Christina, but I've gotta be honest. At least she can sing unlike Brintey.

This is for Locoarts:







Can I marry you? Shit, I'm already married...

wizardofmath said:

Actually a "click track" is a metronome type beat that keeps time for the drummer. Singing along with a pre-recorded track is what Milli Vanilli lost their fame over.

I understand your point that it's entertainment but I think the point of the thread was that true MUSCIANS would never act like they were singing on national television.

Will any of it affect the entertainment value? No, at least not while she's shaking her money maker.

Slave2daGroove said:

Perhaps there are many uses for a click track. As a dancer, I have worked with several performers who use click tracks while they perform live and the purpose of it is to allow the singer/dancer the ability sing live when they are able to and refrain from singing when in the midst of a difficult dance. The track is recorded before the tour and then played in the performer's ear piece while he/she performs. It keeps synchronicity that way. It is not the same as lip syncing because the performer is singing during the performance, just not through all of it. Perhaps there is another, official name for the device but in the industry it is known as a click track.

locoarts said:

Pull your head out of your ass.

- Prince wasn't even BORN when LITTLE RICHARD was doing that stuff.

wizardofmath said:

Wow, you learn something new everyday. I didn't know dancers use click tracks too. It makes sense because they work with the beat and also have to have their steps consistently on time (like drummers). Thanks.

otan said:

she is doing it again ???

Tonight on the NFL show on ABC

Lip Syncing.. yet again.

"Live sounding" Lip Sync Track... but they turn her mic on for a few moments to say "Thank You" or a filler.

* This is what these types of artist are doing all day.. Trying to know when to talk up the pre-recorded vocal track.

The thing about Britney is she SUCKS at lip syncing.

~and of course they had to play her "PRINCE rip off song" Slave 4 U... which is a exact rip off to the beat "Nasty Girls" (listen to nasty girls about 9-11 seconds into it)

Oops...she did it again! And her new song is whorrible.

DavidEye said:

She got ALL her ideas from Prince.. She just ran with it. She is nothing, I can tell everyone personal stories of before she was famous and how she ripped off people that helped her from day one and then the day she hit, she screwed everyone.. BUT I ain't going to get into any detail because I promised not to ever tell anyone,names and what songs/lyrics she ripped off.

BUT where do you think Madonna got the idea for "shock"?? hmmm.. I wonder?

Did you ever see the Music Video "Automatic"? Well Prince was tied to a bed and they had basically everything Madonna "ran with" (which you describe above).. 3-some's..ect.

Madonna was working at a Amy Joy's Doughnut Shop still when Prince was ON the Dirty Mind Tour.

* Prince in Dirty Mind Album/Concerts (1980) started wearing a Pin that said "Rude Boy"..

In (1984) Madonna had "Boy Toy" Buckle thing..

BUT ...She was getting ready to start sleeping her way to success..with any Recording Studio Loser to record her sh!t for free.. OR getting Gang Banged by famous 80's Rapper's to have her Music Demo be heard!
((( By the way what I said above.. ISN'T what I know from first hand knowledge.. which I wont say)))

Thats only what EVERYONE Knows in Music in NYC ..if you were around in the 1980's.

Thats Just some 80's NYC Music History. What I do know, is waaay worst!

~Everything you Name as a "Moment" was from 1984 - on.. Before that she was ripping off Blonde, then Breakdancers.. Prince showed her the map

Prince did that Map in 1980 -1981

Sister: Incest w/ sister.. half sister

Head: Virgin bride on the way to her wedding Prince give her Oral...or she is giving it to him

Jack u off

controversy: black or white, straight or gay.. PLUS Prince in the video shows stain glass & talks about GOD.

Sexuality

Erotic City

(1979) Bambi: Prince trying to get a Lesbian to sleep with him.

* Wasn't Madonna in 1979 in Michigan

well we all sure know she wasn't in Music, Maybe being shocking as a Guitarist in "The Breakfast Club"

Or that fake Porno/Snuff Film

So,in other words,Prince invented sex,right? He invented incest,he invented S&M,he invented the idea of singing about sex,and simulating sex onstage.LOL...you're insane!

People were doing ALL of those things before Prince and Madonna were even born.Get your head out of your ass!

And who gives a shit about your "exclusive info" about things Madonna did before she became famous? Save it,maybe one day you can write your own unauthorized biography

You first claimed Madonna created her own style he pointed out through examples that she didn't maybe you should get your head out of Madonna's ass.

Madonna didn't shave her armpits as a cheerleader... Bollocks thread.

"BUT where do you think Madonna got the idea for "shock"?"


I guess you never heard of older bands and artists like The Sex Pistols,The Doors,David Bowie,Kiss,Motley Crue and many others who were doing shocking things (onstage and off) long before Prince even came onto the music scene.But if you wanna believe that your hero invented these things,then go right ahead.

automatic said:

Bullshit.His "examples" don't amount to anything.I pointed out many things that Madonna did that couldn't possibly have been "inspired" by Prince or MJ.If you have been reading his posts for awhile now,you would know that he basically dislikes EVERY other artist besides Prince.In his view,Prince invented music and everybody else is simply a follower.

ooh...I love this argument.

here's my take:

1.yes, madonna did screw A LOT of people over when she was first "making it"

2. yes, madonna did base most of her career on shock.

3,yes,the over-sexed prince came before the over-sexed madonna

So could she have borrowed ideas from prince? maybe. But I highly doubt she went around taking notes and copying every single thing he did.

and, let's not forget, prince ain't so damn original either. musically, yes, but image wise?

I mean, take a look at little richard and then take a look at prince circa '84.

take a look at the sex pistols, they had that "don't give a damn" attitude/vibe going wayyy before Prince was even signed.