madartista said:

to you too!

I wouldn't say Madonna is a "artists"---but she is a damn good pop star.
Her firts three albums are pure pop fluff--but I still like them. I wouldn't lable them as artistic but I still enjoy them.

I think "like a prayer", "erotica", "bedtime stories", "ray of light", AND "american life" (for the most part) are really good, solid albums.
She doesn't have a magnificent voice, but it's decent enough to carry a tune. She knows her limitations, that ALWAYS a good thing.

I think she's pretty decent live, can carry a tune, and has ahd some good albums, and great videos.
she knwos how to flirt, entertain, be porvocative, screw people over, she's brillaint at doing so, that's why she's been around for so long.
Britney, Mandy, Jessica, ect. don't know how to, that's why they'll never be up there with her, they don't have the skills that she does.

She's a pop star/entertainer, why do some expect her to put out something that would be up there with bijork or kate bush's work? We know she can't, she knows she can't, so what's the big deal. Why do we always have to compare artists/entertainers to other artists/entertainers? Why can't they just stand on their own and judge their work that way?
It'd be a hell of a lot less childish.

I became a Madonna fan in 1986 when I heard "Live To Tell".With that one song,Madonna became what I consider a "serious artist".And then came the 'Like A Prayer' album.I've been hooked ever since.She had totally transformed herself into a serious artist,with real thoughts,a real purpose,a deep message and a point of view.I can hear the "soul" in her music.As a vocalist,she's no Whitney or Mariah,but she's much more important,and much more interesting.Unlike those artists,Madonna has something to say in her music.

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

See,this is exactly the type of nonsense that pisses Madonna off,the perception that she is always "re-inventing" herself,trying on new costumes and personas,and then quickly discarding them.As she constantly explains in interviews,she is growing,learning and shedding layers.We all do it.For Madonna,it's not an "image",it's a natural progression.In many ways,that's what the whole purpose/theme of the 'American Life' album is about.

twink69 said:

Well,considering she has sold over 160 million records throughout her career,I guess ALOT of us are gonna "die" soon,right?

Cloudbuster said:

If you really can't figure out "what's missing" from her work,then maybe she's just not for you? Perhaps she's just not the type of artist you would enjoy? Madonna has been around for 20 years now.If you don't "get it" by now,you never will...lol...

But I do like a lot of her work.

Cloudbuster said:

I'm sure you do

But you also seem to think that something is "missing" from her work,and you're trying to figure out what it is.It's obvious that her music just doesn't "move you" the way Bjork and Kate Bush does.I'm just saying that maybe Madonna is not the type of artist for you.(This also applies to "imnotjustsayingthis2benasty").It's useless to buy an artist's CD and try to force yourself to like/understand/appreciate it,dontcha think?

DavidEye said:

It's no bad thing tho' that I think something is missing, I also think there is something missing from Prince's recent work. I've not liked much of what he's done in the last six years but I'll always listen to his stuff.

Why is Madonna more important then the like of Mariah??
It's all the hype and propaganda her publisits create
You obviously haven't heard Mariah's music to know what she has to say, she a real soul r&b singer, her looks and image is second to her talent
Yeah Madonna has alot to say??? Holiday? Like a virin?

madartista said:

I'm gonna ruffle a few feathers by saying this,but...


I think alot of people resent Madonna BECAUSE she has been so successful for so long.Many people do not feel that she is really talented and thus,she doesn't "deserve" all the success she's had.On another website that I visit,a guy was comparing Cyndi Lauper to Maddy.He concluded that Cyndi is much more talented and that she should have been the one to become the superstar,not Madonna (in 1984,they were both equally successful but Madonna surpassed Cyndi years ago).So,not surprisingly,this guy spends most of his time bashing Madonna...lol...

DavidEye said:

Same with MJ.

twink69 said:

First of all,I am a Mariah fan.I like many of her songs and I think she is beautiful.But she will never be considered an *important* artist.She didn't break down any barriers.Her music is simply sample-heavy R&B with guest rappers on it.Many of her songs are interchangeable..."Fantasy","Honey","Heartbreaker","Loverboy"...they're all practically the same song!! She would never make a bold,challenging record like 'Ray Of Light'.

DavidEye said:

I gotta agree with that although I've never been a Mariah fan anyway.

twink69 said:

Listen to these songs and get back to me...


"Live To Tell" (1986)
"Papa Don't Preach" (1986)
"Like A Prayer" (1989)
"Til Death Do Us Part" (1989)
"Promise To Try" (1989)
"Oh Father" (1989)
"Keep It Together" (1989)
"This Used To Be My Playground" (1992)
"I'll Remember" (1994)
"Survival" (1994)
"Secret" (1994)
"Human Nature" (1994)
"Drowned World/Substitute For Love" (1998)
"Swim" (1998)
"Ray Of Light" (1998)
"Sky Fits Heaven"(1998)
"Mer Girl" (1998)
"To Have And Not To Hold" (1998)
"Time Stood Still" (2000)
"What It Feels Like For A Girl" (2000)
"Gone"(2000)
"American Life" (2003)
"Hollywood" (2003)
"I'm So Stupid" (2003)
"Nobody Knows Me" (2003)
"X-Static Process" (2003)
"Die Another Day" (2002)
"Easy Ride" (2003)

There was recent poll, that said Mariah was the most influencial singer of the last 20 years (Madonna was no where on there) she has created her own sound, that everyone is doing now from Jlo to Christina Aguliera,
She was the first pop singer to use rappers in 95
All you need to is look at American Idol to see al these wannabes, trying to sing like her, so she is more imporatant then Madonna when it comes to her influence on music (Madonna is just a music video and fashion icon)
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twink69 said:

And that's something to be proud of?

twink69 said:

DavidEye said:

But that can't be true.

speaking of polls,whenever VH-1 does those "Greatest Women"-type polls,Madonna almost always comes out on top.Yeah,I know polls aren't all that important,but...

Cloudbuster said:

well,she's certainly not the first singer to work with a rapper...


***"Friends" by Jody Watley featuring Erik B. and Rakim (1989)
***"My Name Is Not Susan (remix)" Whitney Houston featuring Monie Love (1990)
***"I Wanna Be Down (remix)" by Brandy featuring Queen Latifah and MC Lyte (1994)
***"You Want This (remix)" by Janet Jackson featuring MC Lyte (1993)

They said for better worse these were the top 5 most influencial and greatest singers of the last 20 years, they showed it on mtv2
The top 10 is:
1. MARIAH CAREY
2. FREDDIE MERCURY
3. WHITNEY HOUSTON
4. BONO
5. CHRISTINA AGUILERA
6. ALANIS MORISSETTE
7. KURT COBAIN
8. BJORK
9. CELINE DION
10. TUPAC SHAKUR"

I must say to be on top of this poll and to be the best selling female artist in history is much better then any vhi, best female coohie, bra awards or whatever Madonna wins
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twink69 said:

I'd vomit on most of those.

I'd vomit on most of those.[/quote]

These artist that started recording in the last 20 years (that's why there is no patti, Aretha ect)
anyway, where is Madonna?? no where to found because she is singer that can't sing, which makes her irrelevant

twink69 said:

Bono & Freddie go back further than 20 years.


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Bono & Freddie go back further than 20 years.[/quote]9
Anyway the point is Mariah is far more superior and sucessfull then Madonna
and Madonna and her fans need to realis she is not that great and not important, they way you guys all go on about her "IMPORATANCE"(because she lacks any talent) you would think she was Martin luther king or Malcolm x??

Madonna is just a pop culture icon, history will remember her like "the campbells soup can"
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[This message was edited Wed Aug 20 5:46:28 PDT 2003 by twink69]

A tad harsh. I think Madonna will be remembered for being a great pop star if nothing else. And how can you be just a pop culture icon? That's quite an achievement.

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That's right a pop star
and now that her POPularity is fading, so will she
the Mariahs, Bjork , Prine & Kate Bush will be remembered as real stars and legends with unbelivable talent, not because they wore an over sized bra and dated celebrities
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twink69 said:

I wouldn't write her off yet. Her popularity has diminished before in the early 90's and then she came back with the 12 million selling Ray Of Light.


p edit.
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twink69 said:

Madonna will be remembered as one of the most successful,most provocative,most talked-about,most sexiest,most controversial,most IMPORTANT artists of our generation.I honestly can't think of too many other female artists who have made more of an impact on the world than Madonna.