Saw this video on BET's Midnight Love. Reminds me a lot of the single that was big last year and that whole "Down Low" R. Kelly/Isley Brothers collaboration. Do you like the new song or do you think the idea is played out and should have a fork put in it.

Same here, I thought it was too close to the last hit they did with Chante Moore, so when I saw the video, it kind of went over my head, and didn't pay much attention to it. I'd give it a chance, but I'm not digging for it. But I really, really LOVED the song 'Contagious', but I wonder why they decided to put a different girl and make it so much like the last...so I guess kind of a little played out......but I'd still give it the chance, it might grow on me. I like to give R. Kelly a chance, and I Ron Isley's voice amd R. Kelly anyhow.
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The title of the thread made me go :OMG: fo' what!

Anyways I haven't heard the track and yeah it's way played out, too bad they don't have anyone around them to tell them that.

I love the old Isley Brothers stuff,but I don't really like their new music.This whole "Mr.Biggs" nonsense is incredibly silly,and they have completely abandoned their old sound in order to appeal to the younger audiences.They've allowed R.Kelly to "re-invent" them into aging,cussing thugs,trying to adapt to changing trends.This new song "Busted" is really no different from "Contagious" or "Keep It On The Downlow".It's the same tired concept.

Who is that new chick in the video? Is it me or does it seem like all these current R&B chicks run into each other looks wise, sound wise, etc. She looks like a cross between Chante Moore, Nivea, a Destiny's Child hopeful that didn't make callbacks and a cousin of someone from the group Blaque.
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DavidEye said:

God, I love you!

JANFAN4L said:

She's one pf the Johnson Sisters who have just released their debut album "Ice Cream". Proteges of R. Kelly and Mr Biggs (and more if you believe rumours).

http://www.js-johnsonsisters.com

I like "Busted" as a song and the video is funny.

DavidEye said:

Damn, man! Can I have my brain back now, please? Cuz that's exactly the same shit I've been thinking for quite a while now, as I'm sure most of y'all know. My sentiments exactly!!

DavidEye said:

You are stuck in the dark Ages&it shows.what R.Kelly&the Isley Brothers have done is a Dynasty&it works.also FYI Ronald Isley says He is the Happiest He has Ever Been.I dig it Period.I dig the Old Days as well of course but the New Era is Cool in it's own way.you just don't know.

Essence said:

One of the few voices of Reasoning.

I recently saw this video too. At first I wasn't sure what was going on. I thought Mr. Biggs was having it out with his daughter! Homey was wearing a throwback jersey and everything! (Maybe he thought it would convince his little love muffin that he's just a new jack trapped inside an old schooler's body?)

Gotta admit, Ronnie's got the call and response thing down.

mistermaxxx said:

Maxxx my brother, doesn't it bug you in the least bit to have dudes in their 60's singin' about bling bling and shit like that? The song they did featuring Snoop is just embarressing. The Isley's need to act their damn age.
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intha916 said:

Naw.because nobody would say a Damn thing about Aerosmith or the Rolling Stones kicking it with Acts out now.there is a Double-Standard Period.don't get me wrong there are some weak tracks that R.Kelly&the Isleys have done but things have worked out more often than not overall IMHO.I mean for this to work it had to reach Generation Gaps&whatnot.also I give R.Kelly Hella Props for reaching abck&Casting the Isleys in a different light but also along with what they were kinda portraying on there Album Covers.the Isley brothers wrote some suspect songs as well during there Peak Hey Day lets not run around&say R.kelly didn't have a Springboard at certain things they did.seeing the Rolling Stones standing up for Justin Timberlake is far more sadder than the Isley's with Snoop Dogg who has a Legit Career&Decade Run.or Aerosmith trying to be down with Brittney Spears at the Super Bowl&elsehwere or how about Elton John Sucking up to any New-Comer be it the Backstreet Boys or Eminem.so before you knock The Isleys&R.Kelly make sure you cover all the bases.the Isley's wouldn't Mess with R.kelly if he didn't bring the Goods it's as Simple as that.they went quite a while without any real Hits&Success.Ronald Isley IMHO is the Baddest Singer past 55 Years of Age&Still Cool IMHO.Ernie ain't lost a thing.I wish Earth,Wind&Fire had have taken a Cue from the Isley's&Re-Invented there style&Sound to Sound Modern instead of just sitting on Old tracks.I ain't saying learn every New Slang term but also don't Date yourself either.too many folks are stuck in a time Warp&are left Behind.ask Prince&Michael Jackson,Lionel Richie about that?

mistermaxxx said:

Good call. (I thought it was just me.) No disrespect to Prince but, I've feel that his sound is a bit dated. I keep thinking that he needs to try something new, to bring his sound into the 2000's. Doesn't mean he has to do a Ronnie Isley (not that that's a bad thing) but maybe a little bit of reinvention couldn't hurt.

As for MJ... Where does one begin? Is he still moonwalking, wearing glittery military gear, grabbing his crotch and making feature length music videos? O-VER!!! When he came out with "Remember the Time" I had to do a double take, because it was different from his other stuff. I think it was a positive for him to hook-up with Teddy Riley on that track. It's one of my all time favorite MJ cuts.

I'm note suggesting that either of them hook up with the Neptunes or Missy Elliot, or throw on throwbacks and try to kick it with 50 Cents, but maybe each could try a little something different.

Change is good...really!

Totally disagree. When old school acts try and "keep up" with the new sounds and styles, you get shit like EWF's Heritage. While I don't want to see artists stagnate, I also don't like to see them copin the "in' sound for the sake of selling records. They need to let their own style mature and grow naturally. I loved the Isleys but just can't get with the direction they have gone in the last few years.

all i know is this song cracks me up!

intha916 said:

when you enter the Business you mold yourself on your Influences&also what is happening at the time.so what is the Big deal if you do the same later in yoru career? Nobody wants to Sound passe no matter what they say.did you see Miles Davis Stuck the way He was in the 50's in the 70's? Nope.you can be like James Brown&Not change&see what happens.EWF:back during there Hey Day Mixed there Influences plus took elements of what was happening&Combined that into there thing but they stopped challenging themselves long ago.nobody wants to Be left behind&you gotta go with the Flow or just be left behind Period.it's a Business of What have you done for me lately¬ what you did 20 years back sorry to say.

intha916 said:

Thank you! That's exactly how I feel.You mentioned the EW&F album 'Heritage' and that's a great example.It featured MCHammer rapping on a few tracks and even Maurice White embarassed himself on a few songs by trying to adapt a "hip hop mentality".That's exactly what the Isleys are now doing and it's really sad to watch.Yes,they are having a little success but in the process,they are cheapening themselves and their legacy.Furthermore,what are they gonna do if R.Kelly gets sent to jail? Call up P.Diddy for their next album?

DavidEye said:

you are a time Warp Cat period.they have been down with R.Kelly since 95 so this ain't no fly by Night thing.FYI Maurice White close close to dropping Product with Wyclef Jean so please don't tell me that EWF wasn't Looking into Sounding Modern.I bought "Heritage"&that didn't stop Maurice 7 years later from Working with a Wyclef.you gotta roll with the Flow or be Lost.EWF got down with Disco back in 79 on "Boogie WOnderland" remember? they jumped on Board of what was happening.it happens right before your eyes.

intha916 said:

Exactly.Having success is one thing,but "artistic integrity" is much more important in the long run.How silly would Sade look if she were to "re-invent" herself into a hip-hop diva and started cussing,just to appeal to a younger audience? How absurd would it look for Lionel Ritchie to be singing about "bling-bling" and appearing on a track with Snoop?

DavidEye said:

Damn. Excellent analogy using Sade and Lionel Richie in those examples! I guess it just comes down to artists doing whatever they feel will make them a quick buck or staying down a true, artistic path, and it seems the IB has chosen the former. And we as fans either like it or not...just simple opinions. Maxxx obviously seems to dig it (among others out there in the public), but most of us here seem to abhor the change. Change is usually good, but only if it's to something else of quality and not, the majority of it anyways, crap.

DavidEye said:

Do I smell Pharrell Williams sneaking up from behind the corner?

Speaking of R.Kelly,have you guys noticed that he has been producing almost EVERYBODY in R&B these days? B2K,the Isleys,some lame girl group (Johnson Sisters),Ginuwine,etc.It's almost as if,he KNOWS he's on his way to prison,so he wants to produce as much as he can (since there are,presumably,no recording studios in the prisons...lol)

mistermaxxx gets 489239084 points for making the most inane comments ive seen in this post. i hope you are playing devils advocate or something. noone who likes the new isleys gives a shit about their history and thinks that wow, these guys are four decades later, STILL here. they just cant tell the difference between this new incarnation of the group and anyone else out there.

they are just acting like a bunch of 20 year olds in an attempt to sound contemporary. they arent ageing gracefully, theyre being corny. its like my uncle trying to be cool, but embarassing everyone at the family barbecue, trying to mack young girls, when he looks like an old fool. they should be setting an example of what acts can do when they get older - i.e. make good music without appearing like an embarassment. but theyre not.

its great theyre still here, but theyre still here doing what? making songs as instantly forgettable or as painfully memorable as anyone else.

as for 'aerosmith can do it', theyve made some of their worst records ever in recent years. those ballads were awful! but i havent seen them trying to act like they were fred durst or justin timberlake like ronald is trying to act like r kelly.

thirstinhowlVIII said:[quote]

they are just acting like a bunch of 20 year olds in an attempt to sound contemporary. they arent ageing gracefully, theyre being corny. its like my uncle trying to be cool, but embarassing everyone at the family barbecue, trying to mack young girls, when he looks like an old fool. quote]

That's it right there. That's just how I see them now. As for Maxxx, while I disagree with him on his views regarding R Kelly among other things but totally I respect dudes passion for music.

thirstinhowlVIII said:

Maxxx is for real, I go to see the Isley Bros in concert next month and hope for at least a handful of Mr Biggs era performances.

DavidEye said:

Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 Years&truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I Mean She is so Programmed that after a while I wonder if She has a Pulse??Sade has added Hip-Hop Beats in some of Her Songs but subtle.Lionel Richie working with Enrique Ingelis&also using His Sound¬ to Mention His Re-Make of "Brick House" with Rob Zombie&Trina.what you gotta say about that? you always seem to have a Answer.explain that one? Snoop got down with the Dramatics on Snoop's "it's a Doggy Dogg World"&It worked.as a matter of fact if it wasn't for Rap-Hip Hop Acts in the late 80's&Mid 90's alot of Our Past Great Artists&Acts wouldn't be heard from.that is the Beauty of Rap/Hip-Hop Music it brought back 70's Culture.the 80's generic Plastic Pop Cross-Over Crowd wasn't looking back.

thirstinhowlVIII said:

unlike alot of Heads up in Here I ain't no Relic&have embraced the Modern Era because not ever Damn thing was so Rosey back in the day.granted the 70's are my favorite Era Musically Ever but there has always been Crap.R.Kelly is My Favorite Cat that is out now&I don't care what other folks think.as for you calling me out:I don't know you&don't wanna know you so please keep my name out of your Posts ya Dig?

alexnvrmnd said:

I Champion R.Kelly&Hear the Greatness in Him.the Cats that I Grew up on:Michael Jackson,Prince,Stevie Wonder,Lionel Richie,Rick James,Babyface,Bootsy Collins,George Clinton,etc... ain't doing Shit now.let the Cats I Grew up on bring it&then I'll be cool but until then they get played in the Back Catelog File.go with the Flow or be left behind.right Before Miles Davis Passed He was doing a Hip-Hop Project He wasn't doing "Sketches of Spain".time to move on&try newer things.

DavidEye said:

too bad you aren't a funny guy&use another example of a poor taste of words.For Your Information R.Kelly has always been prolific.you can go back on Him 10 years back.Changing Faces,Quincy Jones,Michael Jackson,Sparkle,Blaque,Celine Dion,Aayliyah,Soundtracks,His Own Record Label Rockland&Various Other Projects.stick to your Casey Kasem Tribute Countdown Shows because you don't know much about R.Kelly PAl.there are Recordings in Prison:to hip you up on things again the Rapper X-Raided who is Serving a Life term releases Albums yearly from Prison.also in New Jersey the Prison in Trenton where Denzel Washington Filmed "Hurricane" they had a Group of Rappers that were Nominated for a Grammy.the R&B Group the Escorts from the 70's Recorded a Album from Prison.as Prolific as R.kelly is down time will mean at least 5 Albums worth of Material every 5 Months¬ to Mention all the Re-Mixes&Tracks He has in the Can.He worked with Syleena Johnson already.