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PrintableEssence said: thirstinhowlVIII said: mistermaxxx gets 489239084 points for making the most inane comments ive seen in this post. i hope you are playing devils advocate or something. noone who likes the new isleys gives a shit about their history and thinks that wow, these guys are four decades later, STILL here. they just cant tell the difference between this new incarnation of the group and anyone else out there.
they are just acting like a bunch of 20 year olds in an attempt to sound contemporary. they arent ageing gracefully, theyre being corny. its like my uncle trying to be cool, but embarassing everyone at the family barbecue, trying to mack young girls, when he looks like an old fool. they should be setting an example of what acts can do when they get older - i.e. make good music without appearing like an embarassment. but theyre not. its great theyre still here, but theyre still here doing what? making songs as instantly forgettable or as painfully memorable as anyone else. as for 'aerosmith can do it', theyve made some of their worst records ever in recent years. those ballads were awful! but i havent seen them trying to act like they were fred durst or justin timberlake like ronald is trying to act like r kelly. Maxxx is for real, I go to see the Isley Bros in concert next month and hope for at least a handful of Mr Biggs era performances. mistermaxxx | |
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unlike alot of Heads up in Here I ain't no Relic&have embraced the Modern Era because not ever Damn thing was so Rosey back in the day.granted the 70's are my favorite Era Musically Ever but there has always been Crap.R.Kelly is My Favorite Cat that is out now&I don't care what other folks think.as for you calling me out:I don't know you&don't wanna know you so please keep my name out of your Posts ya Dig?[/quote]
i meant no disrespect in my post, i was just a little heated. but seriously though, i know you have a lot of passion for music from reading your comments but i dont quite why youd embrace mr biggs or r kelly for that matter. are you just looking for the positive in an otherwise slightly disapointing time for R&B? cos while i think r kelly has real talent, i think he wastes it a lot of the time by simply going for the lowest common denominator. i dont really like the way he has reduced ronald, one of the greatest voices in soul, to being a sub standard knock off pimp. i mean, its bad enough that rappers in their mid/late 30s are still acting out their teenage blaxploitation fantasies but for a man of ronalds age, it seems totally undignified. its fantastic he has managed to stick around this long, and still have some hits, but i cant help wishing that he had done it some other way. im not no relic, im only 23 myself, but i dont like to see genuine legends compromise themselves in such a way just to get a hit and stay relevant any which way. i supose i cant blame him, but it seems desperate. i mean, imagine if bob dylan (not comparing ronald and him, its just an example) came out with a teenage-punk record, talking about skater girls, nobody would go for it! why should we endure it from ronald? | |
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DavidEye said: Speaking of R.Kelly,have you guys noticed that he has been producing almost EVERYBODY in R&B these days? B2K,the Isleys,some lame girl group (Johnson Sisters),Ginuwine,etc.It's almost as if,he KNOWS he's on his way to prison,so he wants to produce as much as he can (since there are,presumably,no recording studios in the prisons...lol)
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Interesting thread...A lot of great points have been made.
A lot of people don't really care for the last couple of albums by these legendary R&B vetereans. Also a lot of people don't care for the new image. I want to address a couple of things.There has been alot of interesting comments in this thread. First, if you look back at the Isleys since their huge 1983 hit "Between The Sheets", you'll see that the Isleys has indeed had staying power. So can we really call their last couple of albums "comeback efforts"? For example in 1989 they scored a hit...in 1992 they scored a minor hit{minor but it hit enough to remind the R&B audience that they weren't going any where and still knew how to make accessible hit music...even if it was a small hit}. Now none of these hits or albums those hits were from hit the Billboard POP chart the way their latest effort has, but they still showed the credibility of The Isleys{I thought that "Sensitive Lover" in 1992 was great}. Then they hit in 1996 with what I think is their best record of the last 15 or so years Mission To Please. That album was masterful. They truly bought the heat on that release. Superb bedroom music to be exact. The album sold a million copies and IMO was one of the best records of 1996. While 2pac and other hardcore love rough necks had the ladies in a frenzy. Ronald and Co. was proving{on the traditional tip} that he can still make the ladies feel the heat. It was a good achievement in my opinion. So it's important to remember this point, because people are acting like the Isleys have been off the scene for 10 or so years and have now dropped this new record. This leads to the second thing I want to address. The new style/image of Ronald. Now personally I think that Ronald Isley is playing this Mr. Biggs thing all of the way to the hilt{BANK $$$} for all that it is worth. I wish they would throw in some social commentary{"Fight The Power"...but that's not likely to happen on a large scale, because social/political commentary is not in vogue in 2003} like they used to back in the day. But an important point IS THIS. You do have to change up your style a little bit and dare I say it "evolve" . An example has already been given with Miles Davis. And I want to elaborate a little bit on that. Miles was such a leader/trailblazer within his respected field that since he died in 1991, the jazz community has stalled. For so long they looked to Miles for leadership, for he always had the pulse on what was hip and fused it with the best jazz elements to create something new. Other musicians saw Miles{the success he had with it} and said if it's good for him,it's good for us. NOW THAT'S A LEADER. When Miles did something, it mattered, because it was MILES. A lot of people felt he sold out because he fused electric rock to jazz in the late 60's. Some people {including a lot of musicians} to this day hate Miles for that. It's worth mentioning that he was about to take on hip-hop{well actually he did do a hip-hop/jazz album at the end of his life called Doo-Bop}. Miles accurately gave the prophecy in his autobiography that hip-hop rap was gonna be the future. I do feel that you do have to stay in sync with what's going on in music. Stay current, if you will. Now IMO Ronald Isley is playing that Mr. Biggs role to the hilt[but you got to admit.... Pops be decked out with those suits and that cane}.To me it's a matter of choosing what you want to do...go with the music demonstrating artistic intergrity that may be somewhat demanding of music listeners{requiring them to stretch as the musician/artist stretch themselves} or commercialistic/accessible music. There have been times in music where artists have struck an amazing balance between the two with great results. It CAN be done. While we're on that, keep in mind that you have to bring the $$${business}too.I mean you can talk about artistic objectives all you want to, but mess around and let your records not sell, you will find yourself dropped like a two-ton anchor from the label.It ain't like it used to be when record labels had a vision for their artists, along with patience to develop their artists, plus the guts to allow artists to go with their guts on certain projects{a lot of classic albums that might not have been, were recorded this way....think Marvin Gaye's classic What's Going On?}. L.T.D{Love, Togetherness and Devotion} went several albums deep before they scored their first hit with "Love Ballad". Now if they were operating in today's climax, they would be up the creek without a paddle{and L.T.D would stand for Lootless and Totally Devastated}. Artistic intergrity/creativity is one thing, no food up in the frig'{if you're a new stuggling artist} and/or finding that your beautiful, gorgeous lifestyle is in jeopardy{for the established well-to-do artists} is quite another. I guess what I'm trying to say I'm somewhat torn between the two opinions mostly expressed in this thread. I want the Isleys to bring a little more diversity to their latter-day work. But I also understand that one need to change with the times if you will. Hey ya'll, you're not going to believe this. As I was composing this post,an old episode of The Jamie Foxx show was on. And guess who was the special guest?...You guessed it...Ronald Isley along with Mary J.Blige... Hmmm 
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BRO915 said: Interesting thread...A lot of great points have been made.
I respect that Post."Mission to Please" was cool&R.Kelly wrote&produced 3 tracks on that Set.the Isley's did there BEt Set back in May&did "fight the Power".I think that R.Kelly&the Isley's have been a Great Match Personally.I dug some of the Isley's stuff post "Between the Sheets" but lets be real until they Re-Invented there Sound&Style they weren't getting half the attention they deserve.I already know about the Isley's doing a Standards Album coming with Burt Bachrach behind the Boards.ROnald Isley is gonna touch on Classics.as Badd as Ronald Isley is He can whatever He Damn well Please's Musically IMHO.He has earned that right.when you get people from the Beatles&Jackson 5 to Biggie&R.Kelly Cover your stuff some 30 plus Years in Between that speaks of the test of time¬hing wrong with mixing it up.A lot of people don't really care for the last couple of albums by these legendary R&B vetereans. Also a lot of people don't care for the new image. I want to address a couThere has been alot of interesting comments in this ple of issues... First if you look back at the Isleys since their huge 1983 hit "Between The Sheets", you'll see that the Isleys has indeed had staying power. So can we really call their last couple of albums "comeback efforts"? For example in 1989 they scored a hit...in 1992 they scored a minor hit{minor but it hit enough to remind the R&B audience that they weren't going any where and still knew how to make accessible hit music...even if it was a small hit}. Now none of these hits or albums those hits were from hit the Billboard POP chart the way their latest effort has, but they still showed the credibility of The Isleys{I thought that "Sensitive Lover" in 1992 was great}. Then they hit in 1996 with what I think is their best record of the last 15 or so years Mission To Please. That album was masterful. They truly bought the heat on that release. Superb bedroom music to be exact. The album sold a million copies and IMO was one of the best records of 1996. While 2pac and other hardcore love rough necks had the ladies in a frenzy. Ronald and Co. was proving{on the traditional tip} that he can still make the ladies feel the heat. It was a good achievement in my opinion. So it's important to remember this point, because people are acting like the Isleys have been off the scene for 10 or so years and have now dropped this new record. This leads to the second thing I want to address. The new style/image of Ronald. Now personally I think that Ronald Isley is playing this Mr. Biggs thing all of the way to the hilt{BANK $$$} for all that it is worth. I wish they would throw in some social commentary{"Fight The Power"...but that's not likely to happen on a large scale, because social/political commentary is not in vogue in 2003} like they used to back in the day. But an important point IS THIS. You do have to change up your style a little bit and dare I say it "evolve" . An example has already been given with Miles Davis. And I want to elaborate a little bit on that. Miles was such a leader/trailblazer within his respected field that since he died in 1991, he jazz community has stalled. For so long they looked to Miles for leadership, for he always had the pulse on what was hip and fused it with the best jazz elements to create something new. Other musicians saw Miles{the success he had with it} and said if it's good for him,it's good for us. NOW THAT'S A LEADER. When Miles did something, it mattered, because it was MILES. A lot of people felt he sold out because he fused electric rock to jazz in the late 60's. Some people {including a lot of musicians} to this day hate Miles for that. It's worth mentioning that he was about to take on hip-hop{well actually he did do a album at the end of his life called Doo-Bop}. Miles accurately gave the prophecy in his autobiography that hip-hop rap was gonna be the future. I do feel that you do have to stay in sync with what's going on in music. Stay current, if you will. Now IMO Ronald Isley is playing that Mr. Biggs role to the hilt[but you got to admit... Pops be decked out with those suits and that cane}.To me it's a matter of choosing what you want to do...go with the music demonstrating artistic intergrity that may be somewhat demanding of music listeners{requiring them to stretch as the musician/artist stretch themselves} or commercialistic/accessible music. There have been times in music where artists have struck an amazing balance between the two with great results. It CAN be done. While we're on that, keep in mind that you have to bring the $$${business}too.I mean you can talk about artistic objectives all you want to, but mess around and let your records not sell, you will find yourself dropped like a two-ton anchor from the label.It ain't like it used to be when record labels had a vision for their artists, along with patience to develop their artists, plus the guts to allow artists to go with their guts on certain projects{a lot of classic albums that might not have been, were recorded this way...think Marvin Gaye's classic What's Going On?}. L.T.D{Love, Togetherness and Devotion} went several albums deep before they scored their first hit with "Love Ballad". Now if they were operating in today's climax, they would be up the creek without a paddle{and L.T.D would stand for Lootless and Totally Devastated}. Artistic intergrity/creativity is one thing, no food up in the frig'{if you're a new stuggling artist} and/or finding that your beautiful, gorgeous lifestyle is in jeopardy{for the established well-to-do artists} is quite another. I guess what I'm trying to say I'm somewhat torn between the two opinions mostly expressed in this thread. I want the Isleys to bring a little more diversity to their latter-day work. But I also understand that one need to change with the times if you will. Hey ya'll, you're not going to believe this. As I was composing this post,an old episode of The Jamie Foxx show was on. And guess who was the special guest?...you guessed it...Ronald Isley along with Mary J.Blige... Hmmm
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thirstinhowlVIII said: unlike alot of Heads up in Here I ain't no Relic&have embraced the Modern Era because not ever Damn thing was so Rosey back in the day.granted the 70's are my favorite Era Musically Ever but there has always been Crap.R.Kelly is My Favorite Cat that is out now&I don't care what other folks think.as for you calling me out:I don't know you&don't wanna know you so please keep my name out of your Posts ya Dig?
i meant no disrespect in my post, i was just a little heated. but seriously though, i know you have a lot of passion for music from reading your comments but i dont quite why youd embrace mr biggs or r kelly for that matter. are you just looking for the positive in an otherwise slightly disapointing time for R&B? cos while i think r kelly has real talent, i think he wastes it a lot of the time by simply going for the lowest common denominator. i dont really like the way he has reduced ronald, one of the greatest voices in soul, to being a sub standard knock off pimp. i mean, its bad enough that rappers in their mid/late 30s are still acting out their teenage blaxploitation fantasies but for a man of ronalds age, it seems totally undignified. its fantastic he has managed to stick around this long, and still have some hits, but i cant help wishing that he had done it some other way. im not no relic, im only 23 myself, but i dont like to see genuine legends compromise themselves in such a way just to get a hit and stay relevant any which way. i supose i cant blame him, but it seems desperate. i mean, imagine if bob dylan (not comparing ronald and him, its just an example) came out with a teenage-punk record, talking about skater girls, nobody would go for it! why should we endure it from ronald?[/quote]I take my Music Seriously but I also have Fun about it&also balance out things because while it's easy to Knock this Era&yeah it is overall there are some folks making it Snap&I feel a Cat like R.Kelly is One of them.Ronald Isley can Sing/sang Period&I grew up on the Isley's¬ everything they did was of the deep thinking style either.but they were Badd&Meant alot to Me.with R.Kelly He just struck a chord with me from his 2nd Album onward.Run DMC Brought Aerosmith Back&Got Pimped so it works both ways.but Ronald Isley truly digs R.Kelly's Talents&it's on the Up&Up.I don't age Hate.Be Yourself.the truth of the matter as a Race of People from Bow WOW! to Ronald Isley you gotta work yourself up to Make that Money.when it coems to Selling Records&You are Black you gotta make that Money&Hustle.like I said Before 10 Years ago nobody was Bum Rushing ROnald Isley's Door.after His Re-Make Hit with Rod Stewart on the Old Isley Brother's Hit "this Old Heart of Mine" He was basically having minor Hits&the Isleys were suing Michael Bolton&they Won.the Isley's weren't happening like a Legendary Act should.the Industry really Craps on Black Acts after a certain Age&you gotta find a way to hang or be left behind.this is Entertainment¬ Brain Surgery so you do whatever works period.the Music Business has alot of Studio Actors¬ just in the Rap game either.alot of Acts have PT Barnum Qualitys about them.I'm so glad the Isley Brothers are going strong it pains me to see Isaac Hayes just mainly stuck with doing "Shaft" wherever He goes because that Man got a Serious Catelog but He can't go nowhere without being forced at doing that One Song.the cool thing about the Isley's now is that they can do Hits from the 60's ,70's,80's,90's&Now.you can say that about Michael Jackson&maybe a few other folks but the list is small.the MR.Biggs Era has lasted almost 10 years so somebody digs it beside myself.I bet you Cash Money that Prince wishes he could flipped the Script with George Clinton,Mavis Staples,Larry Graham&chaka Khan the way R.Kelly has done with the Isley brothers. mistermaxxx | |
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mistermaxxx said: alexnvrmnd said: DavidEye said: intha916 said: mistermaxxx said: DavidEye said: I love the old Isley Brothers stuff,but I don't really like their new music.This whole "Mr.Biggs" nonsense is incredibly silly,and they have completely abandoned their old sound in order to appeal to the younger audiences.They've allowed R.Kelly to "re-invent" them into aging,cussing thugs,trying to adapt to changing trends.This new song "Busted" is really no different from "Contagious" or "Keep It On The Downlow".It's the same tired concept. You are stuck in the dark Ages&it shows.what R.Kelly&the Isley Brothers have done is a Dynasty&it works.also FYI Ronald Isley says He is the Happiest He has Ever Been.I dig it Period.I dig the Old Days as well of course but the New Era is Cool in it's own way.you just don't know.Maxxx my brother, doesn't it bug you in the least bit to have dudes in their 60's singin' about bling bling and shit like that? The song they did featuring Snoop is just embarrassing. The Isley's need to act their damn age. Exactly.Having success is one thing,but "artistic integrity" is much more important in the long run.How silly would Sade look if she were to "re-invent" herself into a hip-hop diva and started cussing,just to appeal to a younger audience? How absurd would it look for Lionel Ritchie to be singing about "bling-bling" and appearing on a track with Snoop? Damn. Excellent analogy using Sade and Lionel Richie in those examples! I guess it just comes down to artists doing whatever they feel will make them a quick buck or staying down a true, artistic path, and it seems the IB has chosen the former. And we as fans either like it or not...just simple opinions. Maxxx obviously seems to dig it (among others out there in the public), but most of us here seem to abhor the change. Change is usually good, but only if it's to something else of quality and not, the majority of it anyways, crap. Yeah, but that hip-hop stuff Miles was doing was, for the most part, shit, and I ain't afraid to say it!! I just feel there's no need in lowering my level of what's acceptable or enjoyable to listen to just because it's new or "with the flow". Again, my opinion. And no, I'm not dissin' ALL new acts and music, just a HUGE majority of it, and as I've said before, some of Kelly's stuff is all right. And if they say everything that's old is new again, then that means we might as well listen to the old shit!  | |
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"go with the flow or be left behind"
So,what you're really saying is,the older artists should just sell out,cheapen themselves and their legacy,hook up with a producer like R.Kelly just because he is "hot" and try to fit in with today's young audience.After all,they gotta "go with the flow",right? If you feel this way,I don't even know why you're still a Prince fan.These days,he does exactly what he wants,musically,without following all the latest trends. | |
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"the Cats that I grew up on : Michael Jackson,Prince,Stevie Wonder,Lionel Ritchie,Rick James,Babyface,Bootsy Collins,George Clinton,etc...ain't doing SHIT now"
So,the only way you'll ever respect these people again is if they have a hit record?? That just shows how shallow you are. All of these people are already legends and they have nothing to prove.They've all been to the top time and time again.They don't have to sell out,cheapen themselves and their legacy,collaborate with a child-molesting,porn moviemaker just to have a "hit" record again.Believe it or not,there are SOME longtime artists who actually have pride,dignity and integrity. | |
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alexnvrmnd said: mistermaxxx said: alexnvrmnd said: DavidEye said: intha916 said: mistermaxxx said: DavidEye said: I love the old Isley Brothers stuff,but I don't really like their new music.This whole "Mr.Biggs" nonsense is incredibly silly,and they have completely abandoned their old sound in order to appeal to the younger audiences.They've allowed R.Kelly to "re-invent" them into aging,cussing thugs,trying to adapt to changing trends.This new song "Busted" is really no different from "Contagious" or "Keep It On The Downlow".It's the same tired concept. You are stuck in the dark Ages&it shows.what R.Kelly&the Isley Brothers have done is a Dynasty&it works.also FYI Ronald Isley says He is the Happiest He has Ever Been.I dig it Period.I dig the Old Days as well of course but the New Era is Cool in it's own way.you just don't know.Maxxx my brother, doesn't it bug you in the least bit to have dudes in their 60's singin' about bling bling and shit like that? The song they did featuring Snoop is just embarrassing. The Isley's need to act their damn age. Exactly.Having success is one thing,but "artistic integrity" is much more important in the long run.How silly would Sade look if she were to "re-invent" herself into a hip-hop diva and started cussing,just to appeal to a younger audience? How absurd would it look for Lionel Ritchie to be singing about "bling-bling" and appearing on a track with Snoop? Damn. Excellent analogy using Sade and Lionel Richie in those examples! I guess it just comes down to artists doing whatever they feel will make them a quick buck or staying down a true, artistic path, and it seems the IB has chosen the former. And we as fans either like it or not...just simple opinions. Maxxx obviously seems to dig it (among others out there in the public), but most of us here seem to abhor the change. Change is usually good, but only if it's to something else of quality and not, the majority of it anyways, crap. Yeah, but that hip-hop stuff Miles was doing was, for the most part, shit, and I ain't afraid to say it!! I just feel there's no need in lowering my level of what's acceptable or enjoyable to listen to just because it's new or "with the flow". Again, my opinion. And no, I'm not dissin' ALL new acts and music, just a HUGE majority of it, and as I've said before, some of Kelly's stuff is all right. And if they say everything that's old is new again, then that means we might as well listen to the old shit! Yeah..great point. That Miles record left alot to be desired. There were only a few tracks on it that I thought were good{plus he died after recording only 5 or 6 tracks}. Plus, by him passing when he did, he never got the chance to bring to fruition the hip-hop/jazz vision he had. Just imagine if Miles had passed in the late 60's, we wouldn't have gotten fusion masterworks like In A Silent Way or A Tribute To Jack Johnson. But yeah that last album was medicore. Your last comment was interesting. I listen to mostly older stuff{including old stuff I missed the first time around when it was released or exploring vintage classic jazz} because this new music NOW-A-DAYS is a big joke. No need to elaborate on this, because all of that has been covered on point here in this forum. There are a few forward-thinking artists in the music industry now...but they are far and few in between...INDEED!!! [This message was edited Thu Aug 14 6:05:26 PDT 2003 by BRO915] | |
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DavidEye said How silly would Sade look if she were to "re-invent" herself into a hip-hop diva and started cussing,just to appeal to a younger audience?
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"Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? | |
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DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? LOL! As said before change is always good, especially if it's into something of lesser quality. R. Kelly only wishes he could affect people with his music the same way Sade affects people with hers. I'm not even gonna say anymore on this one... | |
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alexnvrmnd said: DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? LOL! As said before change is always good, especially if it's into something of lesser quality. R. Kelly only wishes he could affect people with his music the same way Sade affects people with hers. I'm not even gonna say anymore on this one... Sade is the perfect example of how to maintain a career.She's not into gimmicks or trends and you won't find a collaboration with Nelly on her albums...lol...she stays true to herself,takes her time making her music,and always comes out with meaningful albums that are worth the wait.Notice that she never has to call up all the "hot" producers. | |
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DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? {LOL}...I'll come back with comments on Sade and R. Kelly a little later. | |
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Sade was never a video artist. She was never one for singles anyway. She is more a performance/vocal/live artist. Her music gets played faithfully on AC & Smooth Jazz stations and they aren't at all particular about anything. I'm not knocking Sade's hustle because I think her music is beautiful. Her and her team have their own pattern and methodology at making records and it works for them. Maybe the Isleys didn't quite have that. Sade's sound is timeless and can be played at any time and still sound as fresh and inviting as the moment it was recorded. | |
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DavidEye said: "go with the flow or be left behind"
I'm here Because I dug Old Prince from 78-88 mainly 80-88&the Cat is a Talented Cat but He just couldn't flip His Script.if Prince is what you call Free than I hate to see what you call a Plantation Artist?most Artists who get into the Business no matter if they are Younger or Older want a piece of what is happening&there is nothing wrong with that.Prince did try going with the Flow&He is as a Matter of fact going with the Elevator as we speak.Older Acts alot of the time have Sold-Out themselves but you gotta read between the lines.not many acts have much pull to elect to do what they want.George Clinton&Bootsy went with the Flow what's the problem? I dug Old Prince stuff&you don't see me posting alot about His New Elevator Music or the fact He can't seem to find a Damn Beat in the Modern ERA.Prince Needs R.kelly to find Him a Damn groove.same with Michael Jackson.I Grew up&dug these Cats past Greatness but in 2003 it ain't happening.you gotta mix it up.you wanna talk about somebody doing there thing&still working within a System:Frankie Beverly&Maze.now they do what they want.So,what you're really saying is,the older artists should just sell out,cheapen themselves and their legacy,hook up with a producer like R.Kelly just because he is "hot" and try to fit in with today's young audience.After all,they gotta "go with the flow",right? If you feel this way,I don't even know why you're still a Prince fan.These days,he does exactly what he wants,musically,without following all the latest trends. mistermaxxx | |
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DavidEye said: "the Cats that I grew up on : Michael Jackson,Prince,Stevie Wonder,Lionel Ritchie,Rick James,Babyface,Bootsy Collins,George Clinton,etc...ain't doing SHIT now"
I ain't talking about just a Hit I'm talking about Bringing the Pain Musically&stop Bull-Shitting with 2-3 spin Music.you know when you are hearing a top Claiber Jam&when you are hearing Run of the Mill Crap.you are either Naive beyond your Years on this Planet or you are truly Smoking some Good Shit.I ain't quite figured you out.if you think those Cats don't want more Hits than you truly are walking around with blinders on.everybody wants Success&even if it doesn't Hit you still want to Make Music no matter what the Era that still has a Winning Flavor&those Cats ain't done it in Ages Combined Period.call R.kelly all the names you want but He has been around almost 15 years&that ain't by accident.you don't last a Decade Plus in that Industry by just getting by.So,the only way you'll ever respect these people again is if they have a hit record?? That just shows how shallow you are. All of these people are already legends and they have nothing to prove.They've all been to the top time and time again.They don't have to sell out,cheapen themselves and their legacy,collaborate with a child-molesting,porn moviemaker just to have a "hit" record again.Believe it or not,there are SOME longtime artists who actually have pride,dignity and integrity. mistermaxxx | |
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DavidEye said: alexnvrmnd said: DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? LOL! As said before change is always good, especially if it's into something of lesser quality. R. Kelly only wishes he could affect people with his music the same way Sade affects people with hers. I'm not even gonna say anymore on this one... Sade is the perfect example of how to maintain a career.She's not into gimmicks or trends and you won't find a collaboration with Nelly on her albums...lol...she stays true to herself,takes her time making her music,and always comes out with meaningful albums that are worth the wait.Notice that she never has to call up all the "hot" producers. mistermaxxx | |
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DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
alot of your Posts are Ridiculous Personally.you say crazy Mess about Wack Ass Remy Shead working with Michael Jackson?you gotta Be Stoned to say such Crazy Crap? or Jameriqui?you say Looney stuff that Offends MJ Fans&you don't think about it.but anyway Sade is Vastly Overrated to me.She makes MJ come across like 2Pac with How Slow She is with dropping a Album of the same Ole Sounding Arrangements&Porduction.(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? mistermaxxx | |
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JANFAN4L said: Sade was never a video artist. She was never one for singles anyway. She is more a performance/vocal/live artist. Her music gets played faithfully on AC & Smooth Jazz stations and they aren't at all particular about anything. I'm not knocking Sade's hustle because I think her music is beautiful. Her and her team have their own pattern and methodology at making records and it works for them. Maybe the Isleys didn't quite have that. Sade's sound is timeless and can be played at any time and still sound as fresh and inviting as the moment it was recorded. if you know anything about the Isley Brothers Catelog than you might re-phrase your psot a bit.there Music has Been Covered by all walks of Artists.from the Beatles,Biggie,R.kelly,Jackson 5,Whitney Houston,Rod Stewart,etc...Sade ain't got nothing on the Isley Brothers nor R.kelly IMHO.She needs to Be Re-Invented&mayBe MR.Biggs could flip Her Script a Bit?mistermaxxx | |
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MANNNNN!!!! I had this long, detailed message to Mistermaxx and I deleted the entire thing in the edit. That sucks.
The gist of it was, comparing Sade to the Isleys is like comparing vinegar to carburetor oil. I mean the two are wholly distinct entities in and of themselves. They don't really clash. [This message was edited Thu Aug 14 11:35:00 PDT 2003 by JANFAN4L] | |
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mistermaxxx said: DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
alot of your Posts are Ridiculous Personally.you say crazy Mess about Wack Ass Remy Shead working with Michael Jackson?you gotta Be Stoned to say such Crazy Crap? or Jameriqui?you say Looney stuff that Offends MJ Fans&you don't think about it.but anyway Sade is Vastly Overrated to me.She makes MJ come across like 2Pac with How Slow She is with dropping a Album of the same Ole Sounding Arrangements&Porduction.(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? Kinda shocked you ain't feeling Remy Maxxx. Musically there aren't many as tight as dude out right now. Would love to see Michael work with him but I doubt it will happen. As for what you said about Prince, that dissappoints me that you view him as a failure over the last 15 years. He has released a lot of stuff I haven't felt but has also released some stuff I dig as much as his 80's output. Truthfully where he charts doesn't come into play when I judge his success. There comes a point in an artists career where you have to let go of trying to impress the masses. The reason is, most of the time the public doesn't know what's really good for them. It's like a child left alone to eat what they want. Candy and cake might be great but you can't live off it without getting sick. The record buying public is very sick right now and great artists like the Isleys aren't helping by adding more junk food to their diet. It's time Mike follows Prince's lead and starts trying to creat music for reason more than just record sales. Bringing Together Five Decades of R&B/Funk/Soul/Dance
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intha916 said: mistermaxxx said: DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
alot of your Posts are Ridiculous Personally.you say crazy Mess about Wack Ass Remy Shead working with Michael Jackson?you gotta Be Stoned to say such Crazy Crap? or Jameriqui?you say Looney stuff that Offends MJ Fans&you don't think about it.but anyway Sade is Vastly Overrated to me.She makes MJ come across like 2Pac with How Slow She is with dropping a Album of the same Ole Sounding Arrangements&Porduction.(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? Kinda shocked you ain't feeling Remy Maxxx. Musically there aren't many as tight as dude out right now. Would love to see Michael work with him but I doubt it will happen. As for what you said about Prince, that dissappoints me that you view him as a failure over the last 15 years. He has released a lot of stuff I haven't felt but has also released some stuff I dig as much as his 80's output. Truthfully where he charts doesn't come into play when I judge his success. There comes a point in an artists career where you have to let go of trying to impress the masses. The reason is, most of the time the public doesn't know what's really good for them. It's like a child left alone to eat what they want. Candy and cake might be great but you can't live off it without getting sick. The record buying public is very sick right now and great artists like the Isleys aren't helping by adding more junk food to their diet. It's time Mike follows Prince's lead and starts trying to creat music for reason more than just record sales. mistermaxxx | |
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mistermaxxx said: intha916 said: mistermaxxx said: DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
alot of your Posts are Ridiculous Personally.you say crazy Mess about Wack Ass Remy Shead working with Michael Jackson?you gotta Be Stoned to say such Crazy Crap? or Jameriqui?you say Looney stuff that Offends MJ Fans&you don't think about it.but anyway Sade is Vastly Overrated to me.She makes MJ come across like 2Pac with How Slow She is with dropping a Album of the same Ole Sounding Arrangements&Porduction.(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? Kinda shocked you ain't feeling Remy Maxxx. Musically there aren't many as tight as dude out right now. Would love to see Michael work with him but I doubt it will happen. As for what you said about Prince, that dissappoints me that you view him as a failure over the last 15 years. He has released a lot of stuff I haven't felt but has also released some stuff I dig as much as his 80's output. Truthfully where he charts doesn't come into play when I judge his success. There comes a point in an artists career where you have to let go of trying to impress the masses. The reason is, most of the time the public doesn't know what's really good for them. It's like a child left alone to eat what they want. Candy and cake might be great but you can't live off it without getting sick. The record buying public is very sick right now and great artists like the Isleys aren't helping by adding more junk food to their diet. It's time Mike follows Prince's lead and starts trying to creat music for reason more than just record sales. Wow. Remy's corny but the Isyles new act isn't?  Guess we better just agree to disagree on this one.Bringing Together Five Decades of R&B/Funk/Soul/Dance
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mistermaxxx said: intha916 said: mistermaxxx said: DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
alot of your Posts are Ridiculous Personally.you say crazy Mess about Wack Ass Remy Shead working with Michael Jackson?you gotta Be Stoned to say such Crazy Crap? or Jameriqui?you say Looney stuff that Offends MJ Fans&you don't think about it.but anyway Sade is Vastly Overrated to me.She makes MJ come across like 2Pac with How Slow She is with dropping a Album of the same Ole Sounding Arrangements&Porduction.(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? Kinda shocked you ain't feeling Remy Maxxx. Musically there aren't many as tight as dude out right now. Would love to see Michael work with him but I doubt it will happen. As for what you said about Prince, that dissappoints me that you view him as a failure over the last 15 years. He has released a lot of stuff I haven't felt but has also released some stuff I dig as much as his 80's output. Truthfully where he charts doesn't come into play when I judge his success. There comes a point in an artists career where you have to let go of trying to impress the masses. The reason is, most of the time the public doesn't know what's really good for them. It's like a child left alone to eat what they want. Candy and cake might be great but you can't live off it without getting sick. The record buying public is very sick right now and great artists like the Isleys aren't helping by adding more junk food to their diet. It's time Mike follows Prince's lead and starts trying to creat music for reason more than just record sales. I agree with your main point that artists need to keep evolving with the times. However, R. Kelly ain't pushing the envelope. In fact, he and his formulaic beats are holding things up. He's selling product and many of you seem to be buying it. Prince had been stagnant for a while chasing what he once had and what R. Kelly now possesses but he seems to be making strides. MJ has never been about much artistically so we shouldn't even be mentioning him. As for Sade, it's true she hasn't changed much, which is why I didn't buy her last album. There's nothing wrong with that as long as she's being true to herself which seems to be the case. The same can't be said about the Isleys which used to be one of my favorite bands. They're a joke now-- musically that is. They're no longer musicians, but entertainers. I wish them well but as an adult I've outgrown the pimp, playa, hustla motifs. I'll have to catch their next act. Paying the bills is no excuse for putting out music that isn't true to yourself. If you can't make money on your own kind of music than you aren't meant to make a living as a musician-- get a real job. It's as simple as that. "Surviving the game" in the music biz scores no points with me. It still comes down to good music. Incorporating new influences is great if you're doing it because you feel it. In my opinion looking to R. Kelly, Jay-z, Ashanti, P. Diddy, Fred Durst and all these folks for the future in music is a bad move-- they're just selling images. Everything is dumbed down and homogenous. To make matters worse there are no morals or ideals being sold with them. The songs don't even pretend to be about love or a better world anymore. Atleast Motown-- which was also product-- mentioned these things and showed basic human respect. So the question is this: Are you searching for good music or are you looking to be entertained? There's nothing inherently wrong with either and bad morals and negativity tarnish each-- just look at Prince at the height of his creativity. Let's just not fool ourselves into thinking you have to follow trends and appeal to teenagers to make good music. | |
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whodknee said: mistermaxxx said: intha916 said: mistermaxxx said: DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
alot of your Posts are Ridiculous Personally.you say crazy Mess about Wack Ass Remy Shead working with Michael Jackson?you gotta Be Stoned to say such Crazy Crap? or Jameriqui?you say Looney stuff that Offends MJ Fans&you don't think about it.but anyway Sade is Vastly Overrated to me.She makes MJ come across like 2Pac with How Slow She is with dropping a Album of the same Ole Sounding Arrangements&Porduction.(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? Kinda shocked you ain't feeling Remy Maxxx. Musically there aren't many as tight as dude out right now. Would love to see Michael work with him but I doubt it will happen. As for what you said about Prince, that dissappoints me that you view him as a failure over the last 15 years. He has released a lot of stuff I haven't felt but has also released some stuff I dig as much as his 80's output. Truthfully where he charts doesn't come into play when I judge his success. There comes a point in an artists career where you have to let go of trying to impress the masses. The reason is, most of the time the public doesn't know what's really good for them. It's like a child left alone to eat what they want. Candy and cake might be great but you can't live off it without getting sick. The record buying public is very sick right now and great artists like the Isleys aren't helping by adding more junk food to their diet. It's time Mike follows Prince's lead and starts trying to creat music for reason more than just record sales. I agree with your main point that artists need to keep evolving with the times. However, R. Kelly ain't pushing the envelope. In fact, he and his formulaic beats are holding things up. He's selling product and many of you seem to be buying it. Prince had been stagnant for a while chasing what he once had and what R. Kelly now possesses but he seems to be making strides. MJ has never been about much artistically so we shouldn't even be mentioning him. As for Sade, it's true she hasn't changed much, which is why I didn't buy her last album. There's nothing wrong with that as long as she's being true to herself which seems to be the case. The same can't be said about the Isleys which used to be one of my favorite bands. They're a joke now-- musically that is. They're no longer musicians, but entertainers. I wish them well but as an adult I've outgrown the pimp, playa, hustla motifs. I'll have to catch their next act. Paying the bills is no excuse for putting out music that isn't true to yourself. If you can't make money on your own kind of music than you aren't meant to make a living as a musician-- get a real job. It's as simple as that. "Surviving the game" in the music biz scores no points with me. It still comes down to good music. Incorporating new influences is great if you're doing it because you feel it. In my opinion looking to R. Kelly, Jay-z, Ashanti, P. Diddy, Fred Durst and all these folks for the future in music is a bad move-- they're just selling images. Everything is dumbed down and homogenous. To make matters worse there are no morals or ideals being sold with them. The songs don't even pretend to be about love or a better world anymore. Atleast Motown-- which was also product-- mentioned these things and showed basic human respect. So the question is this: Are you searching for good music or are you looking to be entertained? There's nothing inherently wrong with either and bad morals and negativity tarnish each-- just look at Prince at the height of his creativity. Let's just not fool ourselves into thinking you have to follow trends and appeal to teenagers to make good music. mistermaxxx | |
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whodknee said: mistermaxxx said: intha916 said: mistermaxxx said: DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
alot of your Posts are Ridiculous Personally.you say crazy Mess about Wack Ass Remy Shead working with Michael Jackson?you gotta Be Stoned to say such Crazy Crap? or Jameriqui?you say Looney stuff that Offends MJ Fans&you don't think about it.but anyway Sade is Vastly Overrated to me.She makes MJ come across like 2Pac with How Slow She is with dropping a Album of the same Ole Sounding Arrangements&Porduction.(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? Kinda shocked you ain't feeling Remy Maxxx. Musically there aren't many as tight as dude out right now. Would love to see Michael work with him but I doubt it will happen. As for what you said about Prince, that dissappoints me that you view him as a failure over the last 15 years. He has released a lot of stuff I haven't felt but has also released some stuff I dig as much as his 80's output. Truthfully where he charts doesn't come into play when I judge his success. There comes a point in an artists career where you have to let go of trying to impress the masses. The reason is, most of the time the public doesn't know what's really good for them. It's like a child left alone to eat what they want. Candy and cake might be great but you can't live off it without getting sick. The record buying public is very sick right now and great artists like the Isleys aren't helping by adding more junk food to their diet. It's time Mike follows Prince's lead and starts trying to creat music for reason more than just record sales. I agree with your main point that artists need to keep evolving with the times. However, R. Kelly ain't pushing the envelope. In fact, he and his formulaic beats are holding things up. He's selling product and many of you seem to be buying it. Prince had been stagnant for a while chasing what he once had and what R. Kelly now possesses but he seems to be making strides. MJ has never been about much artistically so we shouldn't even be mentioning him. As for Sade, it's true she hasn't changed much, which is why I didn't buy her last album. There's nothing wrong with that as long as she's being true to herself which seems to be the case. The same can't be said about the Isleys which used to be one of my favorite bands. They're a joke now-- musically that is. They're no longer musicians, but entertainers. I wish them well but as an adult I've outgrown the pimp, playa, hustla motifs. I'll have to catch their next act. Paying the bills is no excuse for putting out music that isn't true to yourself. If you can't make money on your own kind of music than you aren't meant to make a living as a musician-- get a real job. It's as simple as that. "Surviving the game" in the music biz scores no points with me. It still comes down to good music. Incorporating new influences is great if you're doing it because you feel it. In my opinion looking to R. Kelly, Jay-z, Ashanti, P. Diddy, Fred Durst and all these folks for the future in music is a bad move-- they're just selling images. Everything is dumbed down and homogenous. To make matters worse there are no morals or ideals being sold with them. The songs don't even pretend to be about love or a better world anymore. Atleast Motown-- which was also product-- mentioned these things and showed basic human respect. So the question is this: Are you searching for good music or are you looking to be entertained? There's nothing inherently wrong with either and bad morals and negativity tarnish each-- just look at Prince at the height of his creativity. Let's just not fool ourselves into thinking you have to follow trends and appeal to teenagers to make good music. Whodknee,you win this week's award for "Post of the Week"
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DavidEye said: whodknee said: mistermaxxx said: intha916 said: mistermaxxx said: DavidEye said: "Sade ain't changed a Damn thing in 20 years & the truth is I wonder if there is any more to Her? I mean she is so programmed that after awhile I wonder if she has a Pulse?"
alot of your Posts are Ridiculous Personally.you say crazy Mess about Wack Ass Remy Shead working with Michael Jackson?you gotta Be Stoned to say such Crazy Crap? or Jameriqui?you say Looney stuff that Offends MJ Fans&you don't think about it.but anyway Sade is Vastly Overrated to me.She makes MJ come across like 2Pac with How Slow She is with dropping a Album of the same Ole Sounding Arrangements&Porduction.(sigh) I'm too disgusted to even repsond to such a ridiculous quote like this.Bro915,can you handle this one for me? Kinda shocked you ain't feeling Remy Maxxx. Musically there aren't many as tight as dude out right now. Would love to see Michael work with him but I doubt it will happen. As for what you said about Prince, that dissappoints me that you view him as a failure over the last 15 years. He has released a lot of stuff I haven't felt but has also released some stuff I dig as much as his 80's output. Truthfully where he charts doesn't come into play when I judge his success. There comes a point in an artists career where you have to let go of trying to impress the masses. The reason is, most of the time the public doesn't know what's really good for them. It's like a child left alone to eat what they want. Candy and cake might be great but you can't live off it without getting sick. The record buying public is very sick right now and great artists like the Isleys aren't helping by adding more junk food to their diet. It's time Mike follows Prince's lead and starts trying to creat music for reason more than just record sales. I agree with your main point that artists need to keep evolving with the times. However, R. Kelly ain't pushing the envelope. In fact, he and his formulaic beats are holding things up. He's selling product and many of you seem to be buying it. Prince had been stagnant for a while chasing what he once had and what R. Kelly now possesses but he seems to be making strides. MJ has never been about much artistically so we shouldn't even be mentioning him. As for Sade, it's true she hasn't changed much, which is why I didn't buy her last album. There's nothing wrong with that as long as she's being true to herself which seems to be the case. The same can't be said about the Isleys which used to be one of my favorite bands. They're a joke now-- musically that is. They're no longer musicians, but entertainers. I wish them well but as an adult I've outgrown the pimp, playa, hustla motifs. I'll have to catch their next act. Paying the bills is no excuse for putting out music that isn't true to yourself. If you can't make money on your own kind of music than you aren't meant to make a living as a musician-- get a real job. It's as simple as that. "Surviving the game" in the music biz scores no points with me. It still comes down to good music. Incorporating new influences is great if you're doing it because you feel it. In my opinion looking to R. Kelly, Jay-z, Ashanti, P. Diddy, Fred Durst and all these folks for the future in music is a bad move-- they're just selling images. Everything is dumbed down and homogenous. To make matters worse there are no morals or ideals being sold with them. The songs don't even pretend to be about love or a better world anymore. Atleast Motown-- which was also product-- mentioned these things and showed basic human respect. So the question is this: Are you searching for good music or are you looking to be entertained? There's nothing inherently wrong with either and bad morals and negativity tarnish each-- just look at Prince at the height of his creativity. Let's just not fool ourselves into thinking you have to follow trends and appeal to teenagers to make good music. Whodknee,you win this week's award for "Post of the Week"
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