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Printableagentmonday said: It's good that u luv James Brown so much. Good 4 u. I would still like 2 c James Brown sell out concerts like Michael.
This statement shows your lack of understanding of the music business. Its easy to sell out shows when you only hit the stage every five to eight years like MJ does and you only play a few major cities. James Brown is constantly on tour, he still plays big venues up to 20,000 people. As you have said before, you have never seen him. So how would you know? Particularly outside the USA. JB constantly play Europe and Japan, usually about 20 shows on every tour, drawing a crowd of 10,000 people, which is a lot for an artists who is always on the road. U continue 2 amuse. So do you. With almost everything you say. Too bad you dont notice it. I would like 2 c James Brown sell 40+ million copies of an album. That only worked once for MJ -- with "Thriller", and that is 20 years ago. As I have said before, at the time when Jamea Brown was at the top, record albums were not popular in the music business. People bought singles. Also, the marketing was a different one in the 60s and 70s. There was almost no promotion, no video clips. Only the touring. While he may b good dancing ang prancing on stage...i hardly think u can say that Michael is anything but a great dancer. Sure he borrow 4rom others. I think Michael is a very good dancer. But there is much better dancers. And there is more to a musician than being a dancer. But he puts all 2gether much better than James Brown. His shows r fantastic. I wish you could stop talking about things you dont know about. Didnt you just say that you have never seen a James Brown show? How would you know? Back in the 60s, JB was driving crowds so insane, that at one time even the Rolling Stones refused to go on after him because they knew that they had no chance. That was the day when Mick Jagger started dancing. James Brown has the tightest show band in black music and he is running it for 47 years now. I wonder what MJ will be doing by the time he gets that old (if he ever will). To say that e puts it together better than JB just shows once again, how much you need to learn about music. And i wish i could picture a routine in my mind like i can of Billy Jean. That is something all entertainers should aspire 2. What a great song and how it all works so well on stage. I always remember this, and whenever he does it, he does it with consistance and quality. Never full of drugs. U want comparisons, i can keep on going. I have seen MJ live about 4 times. I really dig that routine, its a true highlight. But it doesnt kill the life work of JB. While Michael enjoys life, lives his obscure life on Neverland ranch, going shopping and fucking minors, James is on stage. Or in the studio. Or rehearsing. Yes, he's crazy. Yes, he's an asshole. Yes, he's a druggie. But he is the most influential black artist. | |
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agentmonday said: What throne? Stop being such a bloody joke. U r so funny in your insults, and the only 1 wet behind the ears is u. You should buy yourself some maturity if you wanna debate. | |
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IrishGecko said: BlueNote said: C'mon it is all said and discussed. There is always a rolemodel, even for James Brown. Of course. Louis Jordan. And even a little Joe Tex. MJ has always mentioned that Fred and James and Sammy are his influences, so what is your point? My point was that you cant compare the originality and creative impact of those two artists. My point also was that on this thread people seem to give MJ more props than JB. That makes me sick. For someone who carries the honorable Blue Note logo in your avatar, you seem to go quite far in comparing a pop-icon to a real soul singer. Do you expect that every artist is unique and that we open up the big music book and compare everybody until we found the great one who invented everything? Where did I sday that? Stop speculating. Or are you just an intolerant James Brown fanatic? I'm a James Brown fan. But neither intolerant, nor fanatic. At least James has recognized, that MJ has something special, you don't have to. OFFICIALLY recognized. In private, he will tell you something different about MJ. [This message was edited Thu Jun 26 7:26:46 PDT 2003 by BlueNote] I don't want to compare anything. You get upset, because of comparing something you can't. I judje everything by its own. I think MJ is a great artist, he has written some amazing stuff, he can dance a little bit and, that is what I admire the most, he can connect both in a very mesmerizing way. I don't know what others think, but this isn't a thread talking bad about JB. Just open a new one which is about JB only. I didn't speculate, it was just a question, because your post sounded a bit like that. If he has this kind of official/unofficial thing, he isn't better than any other artist. If he has a problem with MJ, he should be old and wise enough to tell everybody the "truth". BlueNote | |
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agentmonday said: oh yeah, and Brown may b great, but outside the USA most people think that he is dead or that guy who got busted 4 drugs. Despite some peoples' views about MJ, they can at least remember all the great stuff he has done musically 2. You mean people like you think that. In Australia. Not in America. And not in Europe. Not in Japan, and in Africa he has God-status. Even if people thought that about him -- well, they think that about Prince. And Prince is far from being dead, in fact, he just reached his spiritual and musical maturity. And are you really saying that people wouldnt be able to remember all the great stuff James Brown has done musically?? His music is alive, and he is the most sampled artist in music history. So far, not too many have sampled MJ (compared to JB). | |
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BlueNote said: I don't want to compare anything. You get upset, because of comparing something you can't. I'm not upset at all... lol. It takes a lot to get me upset. I judje everything by its own. I think MJ is a great artist, he has written some amazing stuff, he can dance a little bit and, that is what I admire the most, he can connect both in a very mesmerizing way. He did some great stuff. "Thriller" was major. But it is one album. JB came up with about 20 groundbreaking albums amongst the 100 he did. I don't know what others think, but this isn't a thread talking bad about JB. Just open a new one which is about JB only. I was just voicing my concern about people who wanna award MJ with another Emmy because he gave JB his cape. I hope you see my point. Besides, I dont need to open my own thread. I can post on this one as much as I like to. If he has this kind of official/unofficial thing, he isn't better than any other artist. If he has a problem with MJ, he should be old and wise enough to tell everybody the "truth". Very true. He is an asshole and asskisser. | |
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Latoya must be like...what...50 now? Okay, not exactly 50 but close, right? I mean, isn't she older than Michael? She doesn't look bad. See what happens when let go of the tacky 80's headband, and gelled-up baby hair! | |
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UptownDeb said: Latoya must be like...what...50 now? Okay, not exactly 50 but close, right? I mean, isn't she older than Michael? She doesn't look bad. See what happens when let go of the tacky 80's headband, and gelled-up baby hair!
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IrishGecko said: BlueNote said: I don't want to compare anything. You get upset, because of comparing something you can't. I'm not upset at all... lol. It takes a lot to get me upset. I judje everything by its own. I think MJ is a great artist, he has written some amazing stuff, he can dance a little bit and, that is what I admire the most, he can connect both in a very mesmerizing way. He did some great stuff. "Thriller" was major. But it is one album. JB came up with about 20 groundbreaking albums amongst the 100 he did. I don't know what others think, but this isn't a thread talking bad about JB. Just open a new one which is about JB only. I was just voicing my concern about people who wanna award MJ with another Emmy because he gave JB his cape. I hope you see my point. Besides, I dont need to open my own thread. I can post on this one as much as I like to. If he has this kind of official/unofficial thing, he isn't better than any other artist. If he has a problem with MJ, he should be old and wise enough to tell everybody the "truth". Very true. He is an asshole and asskisser. You opened with "Good God" and "dammit", it just sounded upset to me, sorry. Damn, I thought you would choose Off the wall over Thriller. Anyway, I respect your concern, but give them a break, he looked fine, they are just fans of MJ like me and this Thread is about MJ saluting JB. BlueNote | |
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BlueNote said: Damn, I thought you would choose Off the wall over Thriller. "Off the wall" is a decent album, but no groundbreaker. I'd choose any funk album from 1970-75 over this release. Its good, it grooves... but it was no news. Thriller was. | |
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Stop comparing MJ to James Brown!! Why can't we just say that they're BOTH great? They have both accomplished so much in their careers and they are both considered top performers.It's as simple as that.There's no need to act like children,playing a childish "my artist is better than your artist" game. | |
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DavidEye said: Stop comparing MJ to James Brown!! Why can't we just say that they're BOTH great? They have both accomplished so much in their careers and they are both considered top performers.It's as simple as that.There's no need to act like children,playing a childish "my artist is better than your artist" game.
Co-sign. Fucking idiotic! i'm not going to comment further, but much love for both guys here, both legends in their own lifetimes. . [This message was edited Fri Jun 27 0:25:52 PDT 2003 by Marrk] |
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DavidEye said: Stop comparing MJ to James Brown!! Why can't we just say that they're BOTH great? They have both accomplished so much in their careers and they are both considered top performers.It's as simple as that.There's no need to act like children,playing a childish "my artist is better than your artist" game.
If you read carefully my original post, this is exactly what I'm saying! Dont compare these two! You simply cant. | |
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agentmonday said: It's good that u luv James Brown so much. Good 4 u. I would still like 2 c James Brown sell out concerts like Michael. Particularly outside the USA. U continue 2 amuse. I would like 2 c James Brown sell 40+ million copies of an album. While he may b good dancing ang prancing on stage...i hardly think u can say that Michael is anything but a great dancer. Sure he borrow 4rom others. But he puts all 2gether much better than James Brown. His shows r fantastic. And i wish i could picture a routine in my mind like i can of Billy Jean. That is something all entertainers should aspire 2. What a great song and how it all works so well on stage. I always remember this, and whenever he does it, he does it with consistance and quality. Never full of drugs. U want comparisons, i can keep on going.
remember whitney said "Crack is Wack" Why are you even comparing a 70 year old man and with MJ, who if you've seen the tapes when MJ was a little boy, he was heavily into james brown. Sometimes I think ya'll just like to type. James Brown will always have the respect of true music lovers. This is about legacy. JB and MJ are two musical influences...with one actually influencin' another. | |
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IrishGecko said: agentmonday said: "Imitating"??? I hardly think so. This man can dance and has his own signature through and through. What the hell u smokin' chief? As to "fool", i think u should look in the mirror. There is hardly any originality in MJs work. Yeah, he can dance ... but many people are better than him. The Moonwalk? Thats James Brown's Camelwalk -- danced backwards. No big deal. To compare MJ to the Godfather of Soul is laughable. James Brown is the most successful solo artist of all times after Elvis Presley. He had more hits in the charts than MJ and Prince together. He had more impact on black music than anybody. MJ knows that. It was long overdue that he honors Brown by playing his cape-dude. That was nothing he should get another Emmy for -- as suggested ealier on this thread. Btw: I wont insult you back. You already made enough of a fool of yourself in your post above. No originality in MJ's work? Did you not witness the 80's? Were you kidnapped by aliens or what? MJ was the KING or originality -- that's why he was soo appealing. ANd the moonwalk is nothing like the camel walk...There are a lot of tap dancing moves that require moving "backwards"...so now u gonna compare that to the moonwalk as well? Pathetic. Dancing/Dance moves are always recylced. Yes, MJ did borrow a lot of JB's moves...but it's always the way one puts dance moves together that's most important. The way MJ recycled and put together other people's moves and some his own together into one unique style is what made him so original. | |
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Oh and your comment about many people being better than MJ is stupid. There are MANY people who sing and dance better than JB as well. No matter how good one is, there's always someone better than them, discovered or not. | |
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yeah rite IMITATIN! Whateva. Hav u seen how Mike does that walkin in on motion thing? Standing in the same place while pushing nothing with his feet? Damn, that move I can never ever get right, and probably never will Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Rhondab said: where was prince?
bet awards  --- i thought prince was with maceo parker at the apollo in harlem the same night michael jackson & jb were in la at the bet awards. | |
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I just thought after it poped up at several MJ Boards some folks here would like to read it too. Sounds official.
MJNI.COM Hot Shots Number 768
Koppelman: Big hits a comin'! On 7th June, MJNI exclusively revealed Michael Jackson is officially working on new creative content, which Michael referred to in this week's Entertainment Tonight back-stage footage with James Brown. In addition to most of his new recording work done elsewhere, the King of Pop recently completed some post-production at The Hit Factory in New York. At the weekend Michael played a number of new songs for Charles Koppelman, who was delighted with the results, saying, "There are some big hits a comin'!" Charles Koppelman is working with Michael Jackson creatively during this period of strategic planning, advising on a variety of new and exciting ventures. BlueNote | |
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A little more info on the ET thing. From another message board.
--- "We're doing an album right now. I've drawn in new managers, new lawyers, new advisors... fresh blood and fresh ideas, you know? This time I'm gonna get it right. I think I was losing my objectivity. I brought Koppelman (Jackson's new manager) in because I want somebody honest. The first thing he said to me was "things have gotta change round here or I don't even wanna take this further than this very meeting." That is what I wanted. We're going to work together, as a team. He said to me "When a lot of people hear your name, they no longer think of great entertainment... they just focus on the negative... the tabloid crap, the lies, all lies." I want to change that. I'm 100% psyched about the album. I'm at a stage in my life where I've seen the top, I've been there, I know what it's like. I'm happy to let other people do that now. I just want to make music I enjoy." When asked about a release date he said... "It's nearly finished. But there's planning, pre-production, you know, so much stuff to organise. I'm gonna make sure I get it right this time. I feel I've still got so much more to give, and I want to prove that to everyone." | |
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BlueNote said: I just thought after it poped up at several MJ Boards some folks here would like to read it too. Sounds official.
MJNI.COM Hot Shots Number 768
Koppelman: Big hits a comin'! On 7th June, MJNI exclusively revealed Michael Jackson is officially working on new creative content, which Michael referred to in this week's Entertainment Tonight back-stage footage with James Brown. In addition to most of his new recording work done elsewhere, the King of Pop recently completed some post-production at The Hit Factory in New York. At the weekend Michael played a number of new songs for Charles Koppelman, who was delighted with the results, saying, "There are some big hits a comin'!" Charles Koppelman is working with Michael Jackson creatively during this period of strategic planning, advising on a variety of new and exciting ventures. BlueNote Yeah, I heard a while back that he was putting a new album together. Great news. | |
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Raven said: A little more info on the ET thing. From another message board.
--- "We're doing an album right now. I've drawn in new managers, new lawyers, new advisors... fresh blood and fresh ideas, you know? This time I'm gonna get it right. I think I was losing my objectivity. I brought Koppelman (Jackson's new manager) in because I want somebody honest. The first thing he said to me was "things have gotta change round here or I don't even wanna take this further than this very meeting." That is what I wanted. We're going to work together, as a team. He said to me "When a lot of people hear your name, they no longer think of great entertainment... they just focus on the negative... the tabloid crap, the lies, all lies." I want to change that. I'm 100% psyched about the album. I'm at a stage in my life where I've seen the top, I've been there, I know what it's like. I'm happy to let other people do that now. I just want to make music I enjoy." When asked about a release date he said... "It's nearly finished. But there's planning, pre-production, you know, so much stuff to organise. I'm gonna make sure I get it right this time. I feel I've still got so much more to give, and I want to prove that to everyone." Did MJ really say all these things? Sounds exciting.Btw,didn't Charles Koppelman used to work at Warners? I'm sure I've seen his name mentioned on some of Prince's albums,or am I just imagining this? | |
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DavidEye said: Raven said: A little more info on the ET thing. From another message board.
--- "We're doing an album right now. I've drawn in new managers, new lawyers, new advisors... fresh blood and fresh ideas, you know? This time I'm gonna get it right. I think I was losing my objectivity. I brought Koppelman (Jackson's new manager) in because I want somebody honest. The first thing he said to me was "things have gotta change round here or I don't even wanna take this further than this very meeting." That is what I wanted. We're going to work together, as a team. He said to me "When a lot of people hear your name, they no longer think of great entertainment... they just focus on the negative... the tabloid crap, the lies, all lies." I want to change that. I'm 100% psyched about the album. I'm at a stage in my life where I've seen the top, I've been there, I know what it's like. I'm happy to let other people do that now. I just want to make music I enjoy." When asked about a release date he said... "It's nearly finished. But there's planning, pre-production, you know, so much stuff to organise. I'm gonna make sure I get it right this time. I feel I've still got so much more to give, and I want to prove that to everyone." Did MJ really say all these things? Sounds exciting.Btw,didn't Charles Koppelman used to work at Warners? I'm sure I've seen his name mentioned on some of Prince's albums,or am I just imagining this? Wasn't it around emancipation? BlueNote | |
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BlueNote said: DavidEye said: Raven said: A little more info on the ET thing. From another message board.
--- "We're doing an album right now. I've drawn in new managers, new lawyers, new advisors... fresh blood and fresh ideas, you know? This time I'm gonna get it right. I think I was losing my objectivity. I brought Koppelman (Jackson's new manager) in because I want somebody honest. The first thing he said to me was "things have gotta change round here or I don't even wanna take this further than this very meeting." That is what I wanted. We're going to work together, as a team. He said to me "When a lot of people hear your name, they no longer think of great entertainment... they just focus on the negative... the tabloid crap, the lies, all lies." I want to change that. I'm 100% psyched about the album. I'm at a stage in my life where I've seen the top, I've been there, I know what it's like. I'm happy to let other people do that now. I just want to make music I enjoy." When asked about a release date he said... "It's nearly finished. But there's planning, pre-production, you know, so much stuff to organise. I'm gonna make sure I get it right this time. I feel I've still got so much more to give, and I want to prove that to everyone." Did MJ really say all these things? Sounds exciting.Btw,didn't Charles Koppelman used to work at Warners? I'm sure I've seen his name mentioned on some of Prince's albums,or am I just imagining this? Wasn't it around emancipation? BlueNote Yes,I'm pretty sure it was.His name also pops up several times in the "Possessed" book. | |
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HMM...
Similar hype and praise was heaped upon Jackson's record in the months leading up to 2001. And then he released Invincible... At the weekend Michael played a number of new songs for Charles Koppelman, who was delighted with the results, saying, "There are some big hits a comin'!"
My two kobo :2C: [This message was edited Thu Jul 3 6:01:17 PDT 2003 by papaa] M.2.K
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papaa said: HMM...
Similar hype and praise was heaped upon Jackson's record in the months leading up to 2001. And then he released Invincible... At the weekend Michael played a number of new songs for Charles Koppelman, who was delighted with the results, saying, "There are some big hits a comin'!" LOL...yeah,I always hate it when record execs and managers hype an upcoming album,by saying things like "this is gonna be a huge hit!" or "this is their strongest album in years".I recall,just before 'Rave' came out,Clive Davis told USA Today that "The hits are there in depth..."TGRES" will be Number One all over the world".  Instead of all the hype and bragging,why not take a low-key approach? Stop treating an album like it's gonna change the world. | |
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Metalbabe699 said: IrishGecko said: agentmonday said: "Imitating"??? I hardly think so. This man can dance and has his own signature through and through. What the hell u smokin' chief? As to "fool", i think u should look in the mirror. There is hardly any originality in MJs work. Yeah, he can dance ... but many people are better than him. The Moonwalk? Thats James Brown's Camelwalk -- danced backwards. No big deal. To compare MJ to the Godfather of Soul is laughable. James Brown is the most successful solo artist of all times after Elvis Presley. He had more hits in the charts than MJ and Prince together. He had more impact on black music than anybody. MJ knows that. It was long overdue that he honors Brown by playing his cape-dude. That was nothing he should get another Emmy for -- as suggested ealier on this thread. Btw: I wont insult you back. You already made enough of a fool of yourself in your post above. No originality in MJ's work? Did you not witness the 80's? Were you kidnapped by aliens or what? MJ was the KING or originality -- that's why he was soo appealing. ANd the moonwalk is nothing like the camel walk...There are a lot of tap dancing moves that require moving "backwards"...so now u gonna compare that to the moonwalk as well? Pathetic. Dancing/Dance moves are always recylced. Yes, MJ did borrow a lot of JB's moves...but it's always the way one puts dance moves together that's most important. The way MJ recycled and put together other people's moves and some his own together into one unique style is what made him so original. 4sure. Spot on. | |
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DavidEye said: Raven said: A little more info on the ET thing. From another message board.
--- "We're doing an album right now. I've drawn in new managers, new lawyers, new advisors... fresh blood and fresh ideas, you know? This time I'm gonna get it right. I think I was losing my objectivity. I brought Koppelman (Jackson's new manager) in because I want somebody honest. The first thing he said to me was "things have gotta change round here or I don't even wanna take this further than this very meeting." That is what I wanted. We're going to work together, as a team. He said to me "When a lot of people hear your name, they no longer think of great entertainment... they just focus on the negative... the tabloid crap, the lies, all lies." I want to change that. I'm 100% psyched about the album. I'm at a stage in my life where I've seen the top, I've been there, I know what it's like. I'm happy to let other people do that now. I just want to make music I enjoy." When asked about a release date he said... "It's nearly finished. But there's planning, pre-production, you know, so much stuff to organise. I'm gonna make sure I get it right this time. I feel I've still got so much more to give, and I want to prove that to everyone." Did MJ really say all these things? Sounds exciting.Btw,didn't Charles Koppelman used to work at Warners? I'm sure I've seen his name mentioned on some of Prince's albums,or am I just imagining this? I don't know if those are MJ's exact words. I didn't see the backstage BET interview myself. As for Koppelman, he used to work at EMI/Capitol, before starting his own company. | |
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