When they showed MJ in the studio recording "Thriller": by himself. They know they're wrong for that. Quincy Jones produced that album. One could argue that Quincy Jones MADE Michael Jackson. To imply MJ produced "Thriller" by himself is not only ludicrous, it's a flat-out lie.

Uuuuh, it was even worse when they said it was 1983, and his mother was pregnant with him in 1959. Didn't Jermaine produce that thing? Doesn't he know ANYTHING?

& the instruments & the amps R way 2
modern 2 B the early 60's with the Jackson 5.
/peace Manki

VinaBlue said:

as in, you disagree, or

as in, "that's a shame"?

You know, one could also argue that Quincy Jones had hardly ever done "pop" music before he did Off The Wall, never wrote any of the songs he did with MJ (aside from a lucky co-writing credit on PYT), and he hasn't had and major hit "pop" albums since he split with MJ. They were a perfect combo. A freak once in an era occurence. A refreshing thing to look back on in the age of The Neptunes, Jerkins and Timbaland who just jump around working with everybody.

well that movie is THE SHIT! I dont care what nobody say i loved it all the way through, and who was gonna tell it better?

namepeace said:

I don't think the movie producers were trying to imply that MJ produced the album without Quincy.But I do know that MJ wrote many of the songs ("Beat It","Billie Jean",etc) by himself,before he even *entered* the studio with Quincy.In fact,MJ wrote and composed "Billie Jean" in 1981,a full year before he went into the studio with Quincy.Maybe that's what the movie was trying to show...the early development of those songs?


And as much as I love Quincy,I'm not sure it's fair to say that he "MADE" Michael Jackson.Remember,MJ had many hits before he even met Quincy Jones.

namepeace said:

That's a shame. What's even worse is that people will believe it. Even if they've never seen real proof.

DavidEye said:

Good point. I'm so quick to jump on Michael. I liked him during Thriller, just like everyone else and I didn't give a damn if he wrote anything. Ah, but those days are gone now.

Q once said that by Bad he had almost nothing to do with the music apart from choosing songs and making cuts.

As we can hear from the demos of Don't Stop Til You Get ENough and Workin Day & Night on the OTW special edition, MJ's home demos are VERY similar to the final recordings.

Ellie said:

That's exactly the point I was trying to make.From listening to those early demos that MJ made,it's obvious that he already had an idea how he wanted the songs to sound.It's chilling to hear that 1981 "Billie Jean" demo because you're hearing a future classic in the making!

DavidEye said:

Fair enough. Let's be clear: I'd be crazy to say that MJ's talent was the primary reason for his success. I'm not saying that he didn't have anything to do with the creation of the classics OTW and Thriller. All I'm saying is, Quincy Jones enhanced his work and helped him become transcendent. That's what I meant by "making" MJ.

But for the movie to portray the making of Thriller and not even mention Quincy Jones ticked me off. It was a really good movie: especially with "Boom Boom" as Joe and Angela Bassett as Katherine!

BTW, MJ had hits before Quincy Jones, but he was backed by 4 talented brothers and an established hit machine in Motown.

namepeace said:

Plus a solo #1 in 1972 and one in the UK with One Day In Your Life (1981 re-release), and several Top 5 solo hits, and a reputation as a dynamic performer by the age of 9 Plus major writing and production credits on the 2 best Jacksons albums.
[This message was edited Fri Jun 13 23:37:01 PDT 2003 by Ellie]

I see albums like Off the Wall and Thriller as really an unbelievable combination of a great choice of songs (even deep cuts like "I Can't help IT" and "Human Nature" were amazing), a top notch producer, and an artist at the top of his game. Plus the timing was right, we were moving out of disco and Michael or Q were smart enough to call Eddie Van Halen to mix it up a bit.

Not to mention the fact that Michael was the first to really make good videos for MTV allowed him to sell millions more records. I think if these records came out today, it would be much harder to not get lost with all the other artists and videos that are promoted.

Ellie said:

Quincy had done quite a bit of "pop" producing before getting involved with MJ. In fact one of the reasons I bought Off The Wall when it was released was because it was produced by QJ. For starters check out his work with The Brothers Johnson if you think MJ was his intro to "pop" music.

Ellie said:

Aah, whadda YOU know about Michael, anyway!

Anyway, nobody's doubting the man has talent. He'd make up a large portion of the "soundtrack of my life." But to even imply Mike did it all by himself is like saying the same about Duke Ellington (w/o Billy Strayhorn) or Miles Davis (sans Gil Evans). Their

MJ's legacy is bright in its own right, but wouldn't shine quite the way it does without Quincy's deft touch.

That's all I am saying.