Better vocalists than Beyonce:

Nah, it is Badu or Mary J.

Starmist7 said:

Yes Beyonce dyed her hair darker. There are lot's of people with light hair that dye it black. My sister is an example and I've thought about it. I've seen Beyonce's baby pictures and her hair was very light. It's not that hard to believe and if it's not, so what? Why do they make hair dye. All the stuff people complain about is stupid. I've seen J-Lo's hair every color in the book. So what's the big deal?

supermodel85 said:

Point is...is your sister a celebrity? Did you mean 'lighter' instead of 'darker'? And have you checked the link? I'm just stating the facts. It has to do with what's natural, what's not, the hype, and what's what. J. Lo before making it 'big' wore her natural hair color, and curly. Afterwards it got lighter and straighter. Beyonce looks totally different with her natural hair color and looks 'good' with the dark blonde...but you know what? I really like Beyonce and don't take to J.Lo that much, not because of her hair color, but because of the fact that she can't sing, okay!
[This message was edited Mon May 26 11:15:31 PDT 2003 by Starmist7]

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supermodel85 said:

Essence said:

Ummm...yeah. Why not? People do it all the time.

supermodel85 said:

Thank you for breaking it down to the simple minded people in the house.

okaypimpn said:

The thoughts and comments I responded to sound more simple-minded than anything else.

Starmist7 said:

So why waste your time if they were so simple minded? I love fucking with you.
[This message was edited Tue May 27 12:36:45 PDT 2003 by okaypimpn]

okaypimpn said:

Who was the first to say so.
[This message was edited Tue May 27 12:49:48 PDT 2003 by Starmist7]

Starmist7 said:

Like I said, they obviously weren't that simple to the point of you not responding to them...because you did.
[This message was edited Tue May 27 13:03:08 PDT 2003 by okaypimpn]

I still can't believe you guys are arguing back and fourth 4 an "opinion".

To each its own I guess, if somebody thinks that she's the BEST then what hell? They might as well go with it! geez weez!

supermodel85 said:

A lot of the negativity is backlash against her being forced down the public's throats. She's in magazines, t.v. shows, movies, etc. 24-7. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so I won't comment on that-- besides it has nothing to do with being a good vocalist. Her singing voice is really not that good. I'm not old school but I know the difference between Stephanie Mills and Madonna. Beyonce falls somewhere in between by anyone's standards and for my money much closer to Madonna. Being able to sing better than J-Lo does not a diva make.
If what we're really talking about is pop-stardom then she waits in line behind Janet and Madonna. I'd take Whitney, Christina Aguilera, and Mariah before all of the Britneys, Beyonces, and Ashantis because they can/could sing. Mind you none of them is in the same league as Stephanie Mills, Deniece Williams, and other true R&B vocalists IMHO.
Let's not insult the Erykah Badus, Lauryn Hills, Mary Js, Chaka Khans (still), Arethas, Sades, etc. by calling Beyonce the best vocalist in R&B.

whodknee said:

Beyonce is tight as a vocalist and even tighter in her showmanship. When she first performed with DC she stood out and I said to myself "There's a solo act waiting to happen". She's good. There's no denying that. Best? Nah.
Angie Stone, Lauren Hill, Kelly Price, Erykah, and Vivian Green are selling to a totally different crowd. A "grassroots" R&B crowd of sorts.
One word: Monica. Beyonce's not on the Monica, Tamia, Deborah Cox level yet (vocally). Still, that's not really her market competition. Her true market competition is the singing, dancing pop pseudo-R&B genre divas like Britney, Christina A. (who's got her beat vocally), Alicia Keys, Ashitty, and soforth. Of these, Bey has them all beat in the "total package" sense. (Looking good, sounding good and having the right moves) They all have weaknesses (Christina can't dance worth a shit and Britney can't sing worth a shit), but Bey is pretty strong on all levels. Still, lesser known sistas like Cherokee would eat her alive on the performance tip. Overall though, Bey is holding her own in the position she's been put in. Now if she only had good material...hmmm...
p.s. I too have noticed the "redbone backlash" in R&B these days. Its too bad we are basing so much on shade. Black is black to me. Its ALL good.
[This message was edited Wed May 28 0:30:31 PDT 2003 by BlaqueKnight]

I must say that I agree with most of that comment. When you think about it, everyone wants to be on top. Beyonce doesn't control her position, she just does what she can to remain in that position. I think that is what anyone in her shoes would do. I know I would.
[This message was edited Wed May 28 8:55:15 PDT 2003 by supermodel85]

whodknee said:

I do not call myself insulting anyone by the title of my topic. If I wanted to insult any R&B artist, I'd do it directly. Anyway, I never even said that Beyonce was the best R&B vocalist. It's just the title of my topic. And if you look, there's a "?" right afer the title. I've seen several titles that had nothing to do with the discussion following it, but that doesn't mean anything.
Naturally, everyone wants people to reply to the topic they started so they choose a title that will catch the readers' eyes.

And then you have music award shows like the Grammy's and the American Music Awards that have categories like Best Female R&B Vocalist. Maybe the person who won is not really the best, but the people who voted for her seem to think so. That's not an insult to the other people nominated or the ones that weren't nominated at all. It just means, that it's a matter of opinion or what the people want for that year.

okaypimpn said:

Like I said, in other words, why do you bother, and question someone else about it, if you're the one who proposed the comments as 'simple-minded' in the first place.
[This message was edited Wed May 28 9:14:39 PDT 2003 by Starmist7]

'Beyonce has staying power'? Let's see what they say after 20 years shall we? She has been 4 'round what? 2 days? She is good but hardly great. Kelly is much better as a vocalist. sorry.

The grammys and other award shows r all about $$$. That's it. How can they vote some1 as the best? How did Whitney win a few years back (i think it was 2001)? She was in shockin' form. What a sham. If u look past the glitz and the 'award' factor then u will realise that it is all BS. I only watch it 4 c the singers and them p4orm. That is it.

agentmonday, I agree so much with you...but will Kelly ever get the mainstream hype Beyonce has??? No. And it's for some obvious reasons, sad but true. But she's top class, (vocally), definetely, in my book also. Dag, but where was she in the 'Diva's Duets' instead some of the others? Makes you think they were just there to promote them some more, and not the others...

mainstream or not...u know it's not where it ends...as long as u luv the music...i personally will go with Kelly...4 me i just don't really dig Beyonce's voice...that is just me ofcourse...and i wan't 2 say that i do like some of her work...but i do not like the 1st single that came out...i luv kelly and nelly...that was sooo commercial in itself but so good...i just couldn't run away 4rom it...

...yup, it ends in a place where it never should have)

I like Kelly's songs too, and still really dig the Kelly and Nelly song as well, it's one of my favorite duos......
[This message was edited Wed May 28 9:58:50 PDT 2003 by Starmist7]

Starmist i like what u got 2 say. get urself over 'ere so we can dance like crazy 2 that nelly & kelly song.

Starmist7 said:

Do you realize how stupid this sounds? Let's just end it here. It's really not that serious, dude.

okaypimpn said:

Hadn't realized it before? I'm no 'dude' and nothing serious around here. :ROLL: END IT.
[This message was edited Wed May 28 10:30:52 PDT 2003 by Starmist7]

starmist...i can beat up any1 u like 4 u ))

She shut it down on the Divas special the other night.

Tom said:

Yep. That's all it amounts to!

Mariah Carey to me is still the best female R&B singer out there, a close second is Amerie who I felt was greatly overlooked. Oh yeah, I love Tamia too.
[This message was edited Thu May 29 2:15:03 PDT 2003 by Biscuit]