As of right now, this has made $703,852,827 worldwide. It'll probably pass up the Queen biopic which is the current highest grossing music biopic. Oppenheimer (the biggest biopic of any kind) made a little more than Bohemian Rapsody. Michael might be the first to get to a billion.

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On Amazon, The Jacksons: An American Dream (from 1992) has sold over 1,000 copies on DVD in the past month.

ShellyMcG said:

whodknee said:

No but did it focus strictly on the Vegas years or cover his career in totality? My point wasn't that they should avoid Michael's later years but that it should've been in the original movie. Not many people would want to see a movie only featuring fringe hits and the man spiraling out of control.

Smooth Criminal Bad The Way You Make Me Feel Leave Me Alone Man In The Mirror Dirty Diana Remember The Time Who Is It Black Or White Heal The World In The Closet Stranger In Moscow Scream You Are Not Alone Earth Song They Don't Care About Us Blood On The Dancefloor You Rock My World I'm sure most artists would kill to have "fringe hits" like these

Some of those songs are good but none of them are on the level of what came before them (Dangerous is my 2nd favorite MJ album after Off the Wall but the world doesn't see it that way). The point is that I can't see them focusing an entire movie on those songs with a backdrop of everything going on in his life at the time. In fact, it sounds like they were trying to avoid the controversy of the later years not save them for a big, juicy 2nd act.

whodknee said:

Whether they were as good or as big as what was on Thriller is irrelevant. They were huge in their own right. Personally, I absolutely hate songs like Heal The World, Black Or White and You Are Not Alone but look at the numbers they do on Spotify. They are huge. Bigger than 99% of Ray Charles songs. If they can do a movie about Ray Charles they can certainly do a movie about Michael Jackson from the late 80s to the early 2000s. The man was bigger than Jesus. And judging by how much money this movie is making, he still is.

The fact is, Hollywood is a business. They want to make money. The Michael Jackson movie is breaking all sorts of box office records. That alone guarantees a sequel. You can argue with me all you want about whether it will be any good or not but it won't change the fact that they are definitely making a sequel

ShellyMcG said:

whodknee said:

Some of those songs are good but none of them are on the level of what came before them (Dangerous is my 2nd favorite MJ album after Off the Wall but the world doesn't see it that way). The point is that I can't see them focusing an entire movie on those songs with a backdrop of everything going on in his life at the time. In fact, it sounds like they were trying to avoid the controversy of the later years not save them for a big, juicy 2nd act.

Whether they were as good or as big as what was on Thriller is irrelevant. They were huge in their own right. Personally, I absolutely hate songs like Heal The World, Black Or White and You Are Not Alone but look at the numbers they do on Spotify. They are huge. Bigger than 99% of Ray Charles songs. If they can do a movie about Ray Charles they can certainly do a movie about Michael Jackson from the late 80s to the early 2000s. The man was bigger than Jesus. And judging by how much money this movie is making, he still is. The fact is, Hollywood is a business. They want to make money. The Michael Jackson movie is breaking all sorts of box office records. That alone guarantees a sequel. You can argue with me all you want about whether it will be any good or not but it won't change the fact that they are definitely making a sequel

I don't like those particular songs either but the fact they're doing well on Spotify tells me maybe I'm just old and out of the loop (no maybe about it my kids would say). Nevertheless, I'm still confident that movie won't fly but that doesn't mean they won't make it. You could be right. I'm probably underestimating the influence of greed and overestimating that of common sense.

whodknee said:

You should never underestimate the power of greed. Think of all the awful movies that have been made over the years because the people at the top in Hollywood have no idea what the general public actually want. If they smell money, they'll try anything to get it.

What a crap movie.

Next.

Vannormal said:

ShellyMcG said:

whodknee said:

I don't like those particular songs either but the fact they're doing well on Spotify tells me maybe I'm just old and out of the loop (no maybe about it my kids would say). Nevertheless, I'm still confident that movie won't fly but that doesn't mean they won't make it. You could be right. I'm probably underestimating the influence of greed and overestimating that of common sense.

You should never underestimate the power of greed. Think of all the awful movies that have been made over the years because the people at the top in Hollywood have no idea what the general public actually want. If they smell money, they'll try anything to get it.

That's true. Then, of course, there's the end of the movie which all but tells us they're at least thinking of doing another one.

Gooddoctor23 said:

They turned the most successful artist of a time into a 1 dimensional daning and singing clone.

What a mess.

• Avoided risk
• Tried to protect the brand
• Focused on music over psychology
• Refused to interrogate contradictions

• Highlight reel storytelling

o Childhood → fame → scandals → death

• Built around events, not decisions
• Music/performance used as emotional substitute
• Avoids controversy or flattens it
• Treats the subject like a myth to preserve, not a human to examine
• No inner life
• No contradictions explored
• No relationships with weight
• No cost to anything

Result: complete nonsense with dancing and singing scenes.

I suppose you're about to get your in-depth expose (in two weeks)... Michael Jackson: The Verdict's Netflix trailer just dropped - and it looks like it is going to hurt some feelings in the midst of all of this current MJ goodwill. This docuseries looks like it is going to be of the separating kind...

nayroo2002 said:

So, basically, if someone can emulate exactly how MJ moved, danced, sang and spoke...
then MJ wasn't really that special.

Yeah but he invented the moves, and the childish smooth voice.

You can easily find people who can exactly copy everything about any other artist. Although Prince for example is a hard one, i think.

Don't want to see this MJ movie.

Same like i never wanna see a movie about Prince's life done by other actors.

whodknee said:

ShellyMcG said:

whodknee said: Smooth Criminal Bad The Way You Make Me Feel Leave Me Alone Man In The Mirror Dirty Diana Remember The Time Who Is It Black Or White Heal The World In The Closet Stranger In Moscow Scream You Are Not Alone Earth Song They Don't Care About Us Blood On The Dancefloor You Rock My World I'm sure most artists would kill to have "fringe hits" like these

Some of those songs are good but none of them are on the level of what came before them (Dangerous is my 2nd favorite MJ album after Off the Wall but the world doesn't see it that way). The point is that I can't see them focusing an entire movie on those songs with a backdrop of everything going on in his life at the time. In fact, it sounds like they were trying to avoid the controversy of the later years not save them for a big, juicy 2nd act.

Oh, fuck off. Every single one of those songs is great. They absolutely are on the level.

Gooddoctor23 said:

They turned the most successful artist of a time into a 1 dimensional daning and singing clone.

What a mess.

• Avoided risk
• Tried to protect the brand
• Focused on music over psychology
• Refused to interrogate contradictions

• Highlight reel storytelling

o Childhood → fame → scandals → death

• Built around events, not decisions
• Music/performance used as emotional substitute
• Avoids controversy or flattens it
• Treats the subject like a myth to preserve, not a human to examine
• No inner life
• No contradictions explored
• No relationships with weight
• No cost to anything

Result: complete nonsense with dancing and singing scenes.

Yeah. Your post for sure is. Michael is dead. So there won't be any inner life by third parties.

Vannormal said:

nayroo2002 said:

So, basically, if someone can emulate exactly how MJ moved, danced, sang and spoke...
then MJ wasn't really that special.

Yeah but he invented the moves, and the childish smooth voice.

You can easily find people who can exactly copy everything about any other artist. Although Prince for example is a hard one, i think.

Don't want to see this MJ movie.

Same like i never wanna see a movie about Prince's life done by other actors.

Mj didnt invent a single move. stop it.

Gooddoctor23 said:

Michael Jackson was very much like Prince in that regard. Prince took elements from the likes of Sly Stone, Jimi Hendrix, Carlos Santana, George Clinton and more and combined them with his own talents to create what we know as "Prince" today. MJ took elements from the likes of Fred Astaire, James Brown, Bob Fosse, Jackie Wilson, etc and combined them with his own talents to create the Michael Jackson that we know.

That's what makes both artists such geniuses. They had the intelligence to figure out what would work and the ability to actually pull it off.

ShellyMcG said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

Mj didnt invent a single move. stop it.

Michael Jackson was very much like Prince in that regard. Prince took elements from the likes of Sly Stone, Jimi Hendrix, Carlos Santana, George Clinton and more and combined them with his own talents to create what we know as "Prince" today. MJ took elements from the likes of Fred Astaire, James Brown, Bob Fosse, Jackie Wilson, etc and combined them with his own talents to create the Michael Jackson that we know. That's what makes both artists such geniuses. They had the intelligence to figure out what would work and the ability to actually pull it off.

Like Bruno Mars!

nayroo2002 said:

I suppose. To a far far lesser extent though. I'd put him below Justin Timberlake on the "best knock-offs" list.

I love it! Going to see it again with Grand-daughters.