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John Oates on Life After Hall & Oates

There is almost no mention of Daryl Hall and his recent antics or any possible angst between them. It's a good article though.

In part from Rolling Stone:

FOR THE MAJORITY of John Oates’ professional career, solo work was a means to keep busy and creatively fulfilled between the Daryl Hall & John Oates projects that took up most of his time. But now that the duo has hopelessly fractured after more than 50 years of partnership, Oates has the time to concentrate all his energies on his own music, beginning with his new LP, Reunion, out May 17.

“It’s a very mature and introspective and thoughtful record,” Oates tells Rolling Stone via Zoom from his home in Nashville. “On the song ‘All I Ask of You,’ I’m projecting into my distant, distant future. I’m asking, ‘What will people think of me down the road? What will my personal legacy be?’ It’s not my musical legacy so much, but my legacy as a human. These are the things that are important to me.”


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Reply #1 posted 04/14/24 1:43pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

There is almost no mention of Daryl Hall and his recent antics or any possible angst between them. It's a good article though.

In part from Rolling Stone:

FOR THE MAJORITY of John Oates’ professional career, solo work was a means to keep busy and creatively fulfilled between the Daryl Hall & John Oates projects that took up most of his time. But now that the duo has hopelessly fractured after more than 50 years of partnership, Oates has the time to concentrate all his energies on his own music, beginning with his new LP, Reunion, out May 17.

“It’s a very mature and introspective and thoughtful record,” Oates tells Rolling Stone via Zoom from his home in Nashville. “On the song ‘All I Ask of You,’ I’m projecting into my distant, distant future. I’m asking, ‘What will people think of me down the road? What will my personal legacy be?’ It’s not my musical legacy so much, but my legacy as a human. These are the things that are important to me.”


They are a done deal I don't see them coming back from this, had something like this happened earlier maybe but I mean these guys are in they are 76 and 77 years old, so it was pretty much over recording wise for a long last studio record was over 20 years ago, though they did tour you could tell it was not going well, Daryl Hall on the Bill Maher podcast pretty much showed their relationship was not in a good place

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Reply #2 posted 04/14/24 9:41pm

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Daryl Hall on the Bill Maher podcast pretty much showed their relationship was not in a good place


It showed how fucking arrogant and disrespectful Daryl is toward John. If John was such a nobody or whatever, why didn't Daryl just stay solo after Three Hearts In The Happy Ending Machine? Just sprint and go for it. Because he saw the value of being a duo with John. Which gives and maintains John's value and importance to the group as a whole.

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Reply #3 posted 04/15/24 1:55pm

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SolaceAHA said:

Daryl Hall on the Bill Maher podcast pretty much showed their relationship was not in a good place


It showed how fucking arrogant and disrespectful Daryl is toward John. If John was such a nobody or whatever, why didn't Daryl just stay solo after Three Hearts In The Happy Ending Machine? Just sprint and go for it. Because he saw the value of being a duo with John. Which gives and maintains John's value and importance to the group as a whole.

I saw some of the arrogance of Daryl druing one of the "Live at Daryls House" which is a great thing but one epsiode with Tommy Shaw of STYX who even now has not lost a note on his voice, can high notes all the time, harmonies. But when Tommy was kind of talking his way through them learning the styx song, Daryl seemed to "not get it" and just say "we'll just play what we want and follow you" I mean it could have been arrogance or it could have been, Tommy you are a better musician than me and your band is much better than these players I have on this show.

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Reply #4 posted 04/19/24 1:21am

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Here's a follow up article on Rolling Stone, that feels more insightful.

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Reply #5 posted 04/24/24 6:38pm

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Read a different article/interview not sure of the exact date but was after the whole thing broke. But its more of Daryl's view and that John was more or less just selling things off and not consulting because he was essentially done with "Hall and Oates" being this big thing he wanted to go back to basics but without consulting with what was being done with his share of it, kind of like saying John was ready to end this so he started selling everything not checking with Daryl as to who was getting this and also more that he was breaking with him. Whatever the reason its something in the middle, they are old as John said. 75-76 years of age, to have this kind of split now, its a done deal and its not like they were doing new music, last NEW album not counting XMAS was 2004 I believe and it was a pretty good AC seller but after that it was a covers record then Xmas one in there, some live ones but they had really become like a Summer Touring act with no new music pretty much. But then again as Sheryl Crow said about NEW MUSIC (her new record is great btw) but she says why am I doing it if I play new songs people are just going to the bathroom or buying food or a shirt.

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Reply #6 posted 04/24/24 10:12pm

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Read a different article/interview not sure of the exact date but was after the whole thing broke. But its more of Daryl's view and that John was more or less just selling things off and not consulting because he was essentially done with "Hall and Oates" being this big thing he wanted to go back to basics but without consulting with [snip TL;DR]


I've basically said the same thing. While they may have split royalties down the middle to keep the peace over time, John wanted a payout to live the last act of his life comfortably.

Would that have happened, Daryl would've had to deal with whatever entity/company (or companies John was trying to sell to, just in order to put out his own music. John was selling off his stake in the company. Daryl likely doesn't have the money to buy John out at those levels, but that company did. ha

I don't know if they talked about before hand, and Daryl just refused any offers to buy John out or whatever. But for John to just up and randomly try to sell off his share feels more like a last resort or to force Daryl's hand, not some flippant business move out of the blue.


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Reply #7 posted 05/17/24 3:41pm

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There was a new exclusive interview with John Oates on Good Morning America. It's a compelling sit-down with Michael Strahan.


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Reply #8 posted 05/18/24 9:24pm

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There was a new exclusive interview with John Oates on Good Morning America. It's a compelling sit-down with Michael Strahan.



yeah I saw this one they are a done deal, and have been a done deal, they mainly like he said were a touring thing, show up play a show go home that's it. I like what he said about their relationship people don't realize that you don't have to be best buddies or even talk outside of the show, do the stage play the gig and that's about it, some others are close some are not and now as you get older you have other priorities, partners, kids, bills of your own and your own priorities

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Reply #9 posted 05/18/24 10:49pm

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yeah I saw this one they are a done deal, and have been a done deal, they mainly like he said were a touring thing, show up play a show go home that's it. I like what he said about their relationship people don't realize that you don't have to be best buddies or even talk outside of the show, do the stage play the gig and that's about it, some others are close some are not and now as you get older you have other priorities, partners, kids, bills of your own and your own priorities


And they live in very different places. Daryl's in Pennsylvania, and John's in Colorado. John's always had the air about him that it's his gig anyway. So, I'm glad John has gone his own way. Daryl's just relaly put a bad taste in my mouth with the attitude. On Bill Maher's podcast was when that happened. A little drunk and super mouthy.

It's hypocritical because just a few years back on Howard Stern, when Howard sorta teased that Daryl was the only one anyone wanted to hear from, not John, Daryl defended him as being the songwriter on major songs.

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Reply #10 posted 05/19/24 2:27am

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SolaceAHA said:

yeah I saw this one they are a done deal, and have been a done deal, they mainly like he said were a touring thing, show up play a show go home that's it. I like what he said about their relationship people don't realize that you don't have to be best buddies or even talk outside of the show, do the stage play the gig and that's about it, some others are close some are not and now as you get older you have other priorities, partners, kids, bills of your own and your own priorities


And they live in very different places. Daryl's in Pennsylvania, and John's in Colorado. John's always had the air about him that it's his gig anyway. So, I'm glad John has gone his own way. Daryl's just relaly put a bad taste in my mouth with the attitude. On Bill Maher's podcast was when that happened. A little drunk and super mouthy.

It's hypocritical because just a few years back on Howard Stern, when Howard sorta teased that Daryl was the only one anyone wanted to hear from, not John, Daryl defended him as being the songwriter on major songs.


yeah I agree on that, the writing was on the wall they were doing different things John had been doing a lot also he's been in Nashville a lot now and that's a whole other vibe for him and probably better at this point, I mean it's not like hall and Oates were going to do new music to my knowledge I never had a hint of something being worked on. Listening to this whole situation it reminds of what happened with Styx when Dennis de young a founding member was booted, now there were lots of stories why but they moved on and the last two Styx records were great, and they have a great thing going on the last two decades but every now and then they throw shade at Dennis when asked, I mean Dennis was the main writer for what bought your homes and set you for life, I get it you don't get along etc....but don't criticize "Mr Roboto" as killing the band then, and then suddenly it's in your set list now I mean a little hypocritical

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Reply #11 posted 05/24/24 9:21pm

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It’s interesting that,at the same time that John is launching a new album,Daryl has just announced a new album too.Titled simply ‘D’,it will be released next month.
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It’s interesting that, at the same time that John is launching a new album, Daryl has just announced a new album too. Titled simply ‘D’, it will be released next month.


Just a good coincidence for the drama of the story.

The record company wouldn't let him put DICK on it.

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Reply #13 posted 05/25/24 2:38am

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Their competition will never end... razz lol

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #14 posted 05/25/24 11:56am

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He's got a 30 date solo tour lined up starting in a few days both kind of had solo music and tours/shows planned the summer is the better time to get out there with something

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Reply #15 posted 05/25/24 5:01pm

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SoulAlive said:

It’s interesting that, at the same time that John is launching a new album, Daryl has just announced a new album too. Titled simply ‘D’, it will be released next month.


Just a good coincidence for the drama of the story.

The record company wouldn't let him put DICK on it.

eek lol

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