The #1 genre I wished Prince gave a whirl back in the late 90s or early 00s. Oh what could have been. A cloud or purple symbol Ibanez with 7 strings a-mighty, surely there's rejected blueprints crumbled up in the far catacombs of Paisley or Iron Mountain somewhere, somehow.

Apparently this genre has been re-assessed by the youth of today. They like their Deftones with them wannabe Sade vocals on TikTok anyway. I myself was a devout KoRnKiD for several formative pre-Prince years back in the 5th or 6th grade as it were, I'll come out of the closet before all 7 or 8 of you, IDGAF. Nu metal bands were my boy bands.

Time for the org to reassess,

It wasn't all cringe.

Discuss all your favorite nu metal classiques.

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Not my genre but some songs i liked to start thethread.

"Forsaken" from the Queen of the Damned soundtrack, what a pick. All the original tracks composed for the vampire Lestat in that film were str8 fiyah. The genre might've peaked with that project.

If I had to pick one nu metal band for the org that the org might not be familiar with?:

Sevendust

"Denial" or "Waffle"

WhisperingDandelions said:

"Forsaken" from the Queen of the Damned soundtrack, what a pick. All the original tracks composed for the vampire Lestat in that film were str8 fiyah. The genre might've peaked with that project.

If I had to pick one nu metal band for the org that the org might not be familiar with?:

Sevendust

"Denial" or "Waffle"

super impressed by the lead singers vocals. Very living color. i will listen deeper. Thanks.

no prob bob.

Your picks had a slight new wave tinge element, influence maybe? I know KoRn frontman Jonathan Davis has been on record that he wasn't into metal at all growing up and preferred stuff like Duran Duran and The Cure, which I always appreciated because new wave and 80s pop or goth wasn't exactly happening when I was a teen, but his influence made me seek out those amazing genres with no reservations, probably eventually leading me to Prince in a way.

ANYWAY,

The 80s-influenced nu metal bands I feel aged the best. They were always kind of on the border in the era, but I know people like their 80s here. This stuff is like the perfect mash between 80s new wave and late 90s nu metal:

Orgy - "Fiction (Dreams in Digital)"

Deadsy - "The Key to Gramercy Park"

Videodrone - "Ty Jonathan Down"

Powerman 5000 - "Nobody's Real"

This stuff seems fresh..?.. also the Deadsy frontman is Cher's kid with Greg Allman for all you trivial pursuit stans out there.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

no prob bob.

Your picks had a slight new wave tinge element, influence maybe? I know KoRn frontman Jonathan Davis has been on record that he wasn't into metal at all growing up and preferred stuff like Duran Duran and The Cure, which I always appreciated because new wave and 80s pop or goth wasn't exactly happening when I was a teen, but his influence made me seek out those amazing genres with no reservations, probably eventually leading me to Prince in a way.

ANYWAY,

The 80s-influenced nu metal bands I feel aged the best. They were always kind of on the border in the era, but I know people like their 80s here. This stuff is like the perfect mash between 80s new wave and late 90s nu metal:

Orgy - "Fiction (Dreams in Digital)"

Deadsy - "The Key to Gramercy Park"

Videodrone - "Ty Jonathan Down"

Powerman 5000 - "Nobody's Real"

This stuff seems fresh..?.. also the Deadsy frontman is Cher's kid with Greg Allman for all you trivial pursuit stans out there.

[Edited 6/4/23 16:11pm]

Yes good spoting. I definitely have that new wave and goth leaning. I feel that nu wave had that crisp drumming and rumbling bass and groove, but adding an extra dynamic to it took it to the next level for me. I always think the vocals were a weak point for me in getting into nu metal. Evanescence crossed over with Bring me to life, with brighter vocals and a different approach with a brighter more melodic verse and got a lot of attention.

I would list the Cure as my fourth favorite band of all time and have an ear for a lot of music from the early eighties, post punk, goth and new wave. Hence my enjoyment of this song cover the deftones did https://www.youtube.com/w...QptLhImcpw

Duran Duran, are an amzing band and I feel they are slept on as a musical act. a lot of their stuff they did is superb. My affection for them has grown. Some songs they did like the reflex, all that she wants, notorious I am not a fan off. They do have some hypnotic tracks that are very dream pop like https://www.youtube.com/w...aAz9IPKKvc or their cover of David Bowies Diamond Dogs (Bowie is my 2nd favorite artist after Prince), https://www.youtube.com/w...DdHxfz_WvA

Glad this music clicks for you but with Prince?

robertgeorge8 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

no prob bob.

Your picks had a slight new wave tinge element, influence maybe? I know KoRn frontman Jonathan Davis has been on record that he wasn't into metal at all growing up and preferred stuff like Duran Duran and The Cure, which I always appreciated because new wave and 80s pop or goth wasn't exactly happening when I was a teen, but his influence made me seek out those amazing genres with no reservations, probably eventually leading me to Prince in a way.

ANYWAY,

The 80s-influenced nu metal bands I feel aged the best. They were always kind of on the border in the era, but I know people like their 80s here. This stuff is like the perfect mash between 80s new wave and late 90s nu metal:

Orgy - "Fiction (Dreams in Digital)"

Deadsy - "The Key to Gramercy Park"

Videodrone - "Ty Jonathan Down"

Powerman 5000 - "Nobody's Real"

This stuff seems fresh..?.. also the Deadsy frontman is Cher's kid with Greg Allman for all you trivial pursuit stans out there.

[Edited 6/4/23 16:11pm]

Yes good spoting. I definitely have that new wave and goth leaning. I feel that nu wave had that crisp drumming and rumbling bass and groove, but adding an extra dynamic to it took it to the next level for me. I always think the vocals were a weak point for me in getting into nu metal. Evanescence crossed over with Bring me to life, with brighter vocals and a different approach with a brighter more melodic verse and got a lot of attention.

I would list the Cure as my fourth favorite band of all time and have an ear for a lot of music from the early eighties, post punk, goth and new wave. Hence my enjoyment of this song cover the deftones did https://www.youtube.com/w...QptLhImcpw

Duran Duran, are an amzing band and I feel they are slept on as a musical act. a lot of their stuff they did is superb. My affection for them has grown. Some songs they did like the reflex, all that she wants, notorious I am not a fan off. They do have some hypnotic tracks that are very dream pop like https://www.youtube.com/w...aAz9IPKKvc or their cover of David Bowies Diamond Dogs (Bowie is my 2nd favorite artist after Prince), https://www.youtube.com/w...DdHxfz_WvA

Yeah that was my favorite cover on that MTV Icon: The Cure special. The Cure were huge for me growing up. Right now I put Prince a smidge higher, but, The Cure are right there. 80s stuff period still has so much to offer.

The vocals were not always great in nu metal and seemed to get worse every year. By the time shit like Trapt was crapping all over the airwaves I had moved on completely. I was skimming nu metal tracks on YouTube earlier, Taproot, there's another band with a vocalist that ruins it all, yeesh. Adema is a good example of the cool riffs cancelling out the lame vocals and breaking even.

Evanesence had good enough vocals, but I feel like Amy Lee was ripping off Cristina Scabbia from Lacuna Coil, who was definitely on another level. Lacuna Coil didn't really get noticed in the states until much after Evanescence though. And they were closer to traditional metal than nu metal.

Lacuna Coil
"Swamped" or "Heaven's a Lie".

Amy Lee totally jacked the female/male duet metal ballad vibe from the latter, she did that a bunch back in the day.

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S2DG said:

Glad this music clicks for you but with Prince?

There's gotta be some Drop-A tuning dirges in the Vault. Hopefully he was as influenced by Fieldy Snut's slinky slap bass as he was Larry Graham's. There's an alternate timeline where Fieldy and Head convert Prince back to Christianity, all three collab on Rainbow Children 2 together, and the man himself agrees to a co-headlining spot on select dates of the rebirthed Family Values Tour.

(Pretend I photoshopped Prince in front.)

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WhisperingDandelions said:

S2DG said:

Glad this music clicks for you but with Prince?

There's gotta be some Drop-A tuning dirges in the Vault. Hopefully he was as influenced by Fieldy Snut's slinky slap bass as he was Larry Graham's. There's an alternate timeline where Fieldy and Head convert Prince back to Christianity, all three collab on Rainbow Children 2 together, and the man himself agrees to a co-headlining spot on select dates of the rebirthed Family Values Tour.

(Pretend I photoshopped Prince in front.)

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When Prince was not a Christian?

IanRG said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

There's gotta be some Drop-A tuning dirges in the Vault. Hopefully he was as influenced by Fieldy Snut's slinky slap bass as he was Larry Graham's. There's an alternate timeline where Fieldy and Head convert Prince back to Christianity, all three collab on Rainbow Children 2 together, and the man himself agrees to a co-headlining spot on select dates of the rebirthed Family Values Tour.

(Pretend I photoshopped Prince in front.)

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When Prince was not a Christian?

I thought he converted to Jehova's Witness but admittedly I'm more versed on nu metal hits of the late 90s and early 00s than how all that works exactly.

Is it like Pokeman where you just accumlate all the religions you encounter in your journey or is it like Judaism where you're born Christian based on your parents even if you move to Norway and start torching churches with the rampant black metal scene? He can change his name but not his religion? Or is Jehova's Witness like an extension of Christianity, like is it like philly soul vs. Stax?

White Pony vs. Hybrid Theory, now there's a discussion.

WhisperingDandelions said:

IanRG said:

When Prince was not a Christian?

I thought he converted to Jehova's Witness but admittedly I'm more versed on nu metal hits of the late 90s and early 00s than how all that works exactly.

Is it like Pokeman where you just accumlate all the religions you encounter in your journey or is it like Judaism where you're born Christian based on your parents even if you move to Norway and start torching churches with the rampant black metal scene? He can change his name but not his religion? Or is Jehova's Witness like an extension of Christianity, like is it like philly soul vs. Stax?

White Pony vs. Hybrid Theory, now there's a discussion.

Yes he did and TRC is a JW album as a result of this. For example 1+1+1 is 3 follows the JW belief that Jesus is not the Son of God within the Trinity (as most Christians believe as Father, Son and Holy Ghost) but Jesus is the personification of the Archangel Michael.

Many people consider JWs to be followers of Jesus but not necessarily Christian (not a topic for here). Hence my confusion that TRC 2 could have been a nu metal Christian collaboration with Fieldy and Head - Other than the question on if Prince would ahve chosen to a nu metal album, the question would be whether the theological differences between JWs and more mainstream Christians would prevent this being like a TRC 2.

PS Love Hybrid Theory

I'm kinda obsessed with all this Sick New World coverage on YouTube. Incredible how cyclical culture is, it's like the whole scene is back again. Lineup straight outta '99-2000:

Where my Cold fans at?!

"No One"?

Found me new channel NEO PUNK FM:

Sick Nu World: The Nu Metal Movie

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IanRG said:

the question would be whether the theological differences between JWs and more mainstream Christians would prevent this being like a TRC 2.

PS Love Hybrid Theory

He was gonna subvert it. Reclaim the name and turn the concept inside out with some dirge grooves. I envision him listening to Hybrid Theory in the control room with a studious look and a slight smirk.

You did actually compel me to check it out again after a long time as more of a White Pony stan, and it's these sequences and transitions maan, with the icing on top being the title is 100% literal. Need to hit up them skate parkz.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

no prob bob.

Your picks had a slight new wave tinge element, influence maybe? I know KoRn frontman Jonathan Davis has been on record that he wasn't into metal at all growing up and preferred stuff like Duran Duran and The Cure, which I always appreciated because new wave and 80s pop or goth wasn't exactly happening when I was a teen, but his influence made me seek out those amazing genres with no reservations, probably eventually leading me to Prince in a way.

ANYWAY,

The 80s-influenced nu metal bands I feel aged the best. They were always kind of on the border in the era, but I know people like their 80s here. This stuff is like the perfect mash between 80s new wave and late 90s nu metal:

Orgy - "Fiction (Dreams in Digital)"

Deadsy - "The Key to Gramercy Park"

Videodrone - "Ty Jonathan Down"

Powerman 5000 - "Nobody's Real"

This stuff seems fresh..?.. also the Deadsy frontman is Cher's kid with Greg Allman for all you trivial pursuit stans out there.

[Edited 6/4/23 16:11pm]

I don't care for nu metal, but I love Deadsy. The 1999 promo release of Commencement was my album of the year. "She Likes Big Words" featuring John Taylor and a very Duran Duran-sounding synth line always makes me swoon. I'm sure the commercial album release a few years later with the Korn track was considered more of a draw, but that earlier album configuration is much more preferable for me.

sexton said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

no prob bob.

Your picks had a slight new wave tinge element, influence maybe? I know KoRn frontman Jonathan Davis has been on record that he wasn't into metal at all growing up and preferred stuff like Duran Duran and The Cure, which I always appreciated because new wave and 80s pop or goth wasn't exactly happening when I was a teen, but his influence made me seek out those amazing genres with no reservations, probably eventually leading me to Prince in a way.

ANYWAY,

The 80s-influenced nu metal bands I feel aged the best. They were always kind of on the border in the era, but I know people like their 80s here. This stuff is like the perfect mash between 80s new wave and late 90s nu metal:

Orgy - "Fiction (Dreams in Digital)"

Deadsy - "The Key to Gramercy Park"

Videodrone - "Ty Jonathan Down"

Powerman 5000 - "Nobody's Real"

This stuff seems fresh..?.. also the Deadsy frontman is Cher's kid with Greg Allman for all you trivial pursuit stans out there.

[Edited 6/4/23 16:11pm]

I don't care for nu metal, but I love Deadsy. The 1999 promo release of Commencement was my album of the year. "She Likes Big Words" featuring John Taylor and a very Duran Duran-sounding synth line always makes me swoon. I'm sure the commercial album release a few years later with the Korn track was considered more of a draw, but that earlier album configuration is much more preferable for me.

Yeah, Deadsy was the first band I observed that had so much buzz and feel like just the right kinda critical accolades with the right kinda msuicnerds, but just didn't take off at all with the general public or masses at large, even with the KoRn guy trying his hardest to co-sign them as their hypeman/promo. Their first album wasn't even released proper.

To me Deadsy and that style of 80s new wave infused nu metal seems like would blow up if released today or even ten years after it was, but at that time in the late 90s public appraisal of the 80s was easily at its lowest in history and all those really interesting bands just kind of got tossed to the wayside.

Deadsy definitely seem right up the org's alley, at least.

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robertgeorge8 said:

Yes good spoting. I definitely have that new wave and goth leaning. I feel that nu wave had that crisp drumming and rumbling bass and groove, but adding an extra dynamic to it took it to the next level for me. I always think the vocals were a weak point for me in getting into nu metal. Evanescence crossed over with Bring me to life, with brighter vocals and a different approach with a brighter more melodic verse and got a lot of attention.

I would list the Cure as my fourth favorite band of all time and have an ear for a lot of music from the early eighties, post punk, goth and new wave. Hence my enjoyment of this song cover the deftones did https://www.youtube.com/w...QptLhImcpw

Duran Duran, are an amzing band and I feel they are slept on as a musical act. a lot of their stuff they did is superb. My affection for them has grown. Some songs they did like the reflex, all that she wants, notorious I am not a fan off. They do have some hypnotic tracks that are very dream pop like https://www.youtube.com/w...aAz9IPKKvcdrift boss or their cover of David Bowies Diamond Dogs (Bowie is my 2nd favorite artist after Prince), https://www.youtube.com/w...DdHxfz_WvA

I watched the cover of the deftones. I really love Deftones and when he came in on the lyrics I got the biggest chill of my entire life. Downright spiritual

virginiamaynard said:

I watched the cover of the deftones. I really love Deftones and when he came in on the lyrics I got the biggest chill of my entire life. Downright spiritual

yeah that needs to trend on tiktok or something since Deftones are like the premiere teen alternative band now. Honestly one of the best covers of The Cure out there, you can feel the love they have for the band and that song in that cover. Robert Smith had a rare look of approval during that one as well.

#2 most slept-on Deftones-related song would be "Bender" by Sevendust if you haven't caught that one yet.