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Thread started 03/01/23 9:48pm

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Old vinyl records vs. New Re-issues

My son just told me I crossed the line between being a vinyl snob to an "audiophile." Is there a difference? lol Here is a great article breaking down whether or not you want an original vinyl album or a re-issue... (When it comes down to it--it's all about how it sounds to you!).

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Original Pressing Vinyl or Reissue: Which Should You Buy?

November 21, 2019 by Jamie Parmenter

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It’s a question that gets asked a lot and, to be honest, there is no definitive answer. Both an original pressing and vinyl reissues have their disadvantages and advantages, and personal circumstances also play a huge part. Below we aim to dispel the myths, give some advice, and take you through a bit of history so you can decide what will be right for you when deciding to buy a specific record on vinyl.
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First of all, let’s define what we mean by an original pressing and a reissue pressing:

The Original Pressing

An original pressing typically refers to a vinyl record that was made from the initial batch of lacquers in the production process and cut from the original master recordings. As they are the first records to be pressed, many consider these to be the definitive edition and best sounding records. You can then get, 2nd, 3rd and 4th pressings, etc, if the record proves to be popular and they continue to make copies of the record. These extra pressings may be created using different lacquers if the first set have worn out. The more the original master tapes are used, the more wear and tear there is likely to be, so, in theory, later pressings may not have the same quality. It’s all open to interpretation on how much quality is lost throughout these processes and different people will give you different answers.

The Reissue Pressing

A reissue pressing is a record that has been rereleased, usually a while after the album was originally produced. This is why you get so many reissues of classic albums, say, from The Beatles, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, etc. The big difference is that the reissues don’t necessarily have to use the same original master recordings to create them. The variances could be from the sourcing of the masters, the packaging, and even the thickness and type of vinyl used. Reissues can also feature different tracks or bonus material compared to the original pressing, in some cases.

The Changing Qualities of Vinyl Over The Years

To further understand the nature of original pressings and reissues and what suits you, it’s good to look back at the changes over the years. Original pressings may not always be the best quality if taken from a certain decade; vinyl quality and consistency of recordings can vary wildly between decades. Here’s a bit of background and the reasons why.

Pre-1970s vinyl is generally considered as some of the best original pressings you can get. You can even find reissues that were created pre-70s which sound fantastic. A couple of reasons why original pressings sound so good from this period is because it was a golden age for record production and basically the only medium that people bought their records on. Care was taken to produce them and the competition was rife, so record companies would compete to create the best mixes and production techniques. There was also a very skilled labour force and many production plants of which were still relatively new and in perfect working order.

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If we now look at 70s pressings, a lot changed over this decade; this had a detrimental effect on vinyl and the types of presses available. Many great sounding records were still pressed in the 70s, but due in large to energy consumption problems on a worldwide scale, alternative methods by some record production companies were looked at to reduce costs. Instead of the ‘pure’ or virgin’ vinyl of the last decade, some companies started to recycle old, unsellable records or scraps, melting them back down and using them to create new records. Many an audiophile will tell you that records using this process just don’t sound as good. Also, in many cases, the thickness of records were reduced, again, cutting costs.

The 1980s is where things start to get even worse. This is where we see an influx of new ways to listen to music in the way of cassettes and the shinier, flashier, CD. People were now able to easily listen to their music on the go. With record companies putting a lot of their efforts into advertising and producing these new technologies, vinyl sales swiftly declined with record pressing plants closing down left, right, and centre. Some engineers wouldn’t put as much effort into producing the vinyl original pressings, and even less so into any reissues. Talented vinyl engineers started to disappear. Reissues were sometimes recorded from ‘digitally remastered’ sources, meaning they were recorded from digital sources such as CD’s themselves or other computerized means. Some would say this changed the warmth and soul of the sound from the original pressings, even if they were, technically, from a more ‘perfect’ sound source. Engineers and producers could chop and change things more easily, distracting from the original sound and the way the record was intended to be heard.

rumours-300x300.jpgThere’s not much to say about the 1990s as vinyl was pretty non-existent compared to previous decades for most music-genre circles (Dance music genres being the ones that thrived). Then, gradually throughout the 2000s and up until today, something strange happened. People started buying vinyl again. Whether it was the owning of something physical that people missed due to the takeover of streaming and downloading, pining for the past, or record companies wanting to make more money, there are many reasons for this change which are too many to discuss here. The good news was… vinyl was back.

But with this increased popularity in the noughties, there were a few issues. The pressing plants being used were full of old technology that either needed replacing, updating, or both. Records were, and are, being made, but demand is so great that it can be hard for the presses to cope, so some are inevitably rushed. Much of the highly-skilled staff of times gone by are no longer around so a new generation of engineers were needed who are still in a learning curve. Some, therefore, see original pressings and reissues in the noughties as suffering because of this learning process. This isn’t to say all new reissues and original pressings are bad – far from it – and over time, things are getting better as new record plants and technologies are brought in and more skilled engineers are developed.

Should I Buy An Original Pressing Or A Reissue?

Whether you’re going to buy an original pressing or reissue, depends entirely on you. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. Take a look below to see what different scenarios may come up and how they can affect your choice.

Price

This is the big one. Usually, original pressings are going to be expensive compared to reissues. And I’m not talking by just a bit. In some cases, you might be able to pick up a reissue for about £20, but the original pressing could cost £100+, and that’s on a low scale. It all depends on how much you’re willing to spend. Just remember that most classic albums are usually reissued by the big labels at a fraction of the price and effort of hunting out an original if you can’t afford it.

How Much Does It Matter To You?

How much of a vinyl aficionado are you? If you’re the type of person who wants the best of the best, has an expensive turntable and can afford to, the original pressing might be right up your street. If you’re just getting into vinyl with a relatively cheap setup, the latest Pink Floyd reissue of Dark Side of the Moon might be better for you than an expensive original pressing. Don’t worry, if you get more into records you can always save up and get that original later on!

Were The Original Master Recordings Used For The Reissue?

Usually, if the master tapes are in good working order and have been looked after over the years, the best vinyl reissues will come from the original master recordings. These can sound just as good as the original pressings. However, if the master tapes are not available or the record company is looking for a cheaper and more time-efficient way to reissue, they may opt for a more digital method or even record straight from CD. There’s a reissue of Amy Winehouse’s Back to Black out there which some vinyl enthusiasts regard as awful, with well-talked-about distortion on some of the tracks. Sometimes the masters won’t be able to be used because of other reasons like they have been lost or destroyed. It recently came to light that there was a huge fire in a universal studios vault in 2008 which destroyed the masters for albums by Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Elton John and Iggy Pop, amongst many, many others.

Where, When and Who It Was Pressed By

This is getting deep now, and would only be for vinyl enthusiasts or those looking to really get into vinyl. With knowledge comes power, and research into the year the record was produced, who it was produced by and where it was pressed can really help in finding the best pressing. The website Discogs is great for finding out more details about an album, as well as a myriad of message boards and facebook groups where you can ask questions and mingle with like-minded vinyl fans who may be able to help you find the best recording of the reissue you’re after. We visited Abbey Road studios recently to listen to the half-speed reissues of Brian Eno’s early albums that were supervised by mastering engineer Miles Showell. His work on reissues is top-notch, for example, so it’s all about knowing who to look out for.

Have A Listen!

If you’re able to, have a listen to both the original pressing and the reissue side by side. It’s not worth forking out the big bucks on the original if you’re ears are just as content listening to the cheaper reissue. Also, a lot of the original copies could be worn or warped, so this is something else to look out for. Discogs can help with their quality rating system, but you should take this with a pinch of salt.

Thickness Of Vinyl

Many reissues these days come on 180-gram vinyl, meaning it’s usually a lot thicker than say, original pressings created in the 80s, as mentioned earlier. There is contention about whether this makes much difference (you can read about it here in more detail on our article about the ongoing evolution of vinyl production), but the heavier a record is, the more likely it’s going to sit flat on your deck and not warp.

Bonus Points!

Another point that can damage reissues or any vinyl for that matter, is when buying online. Records would have to come through a delivery system and, in some cases, won’t be packaged properly or affected by changes in temperature on the journey. This is why it’s always recommended to buy from record shops where possible, as, even if a record has been damaged or is warped, it’s much easier to return. Also…you should always support your local record store! One more tip for newer reissues…they usually come with a download code so you can listen to the music on the go!

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Reply #1 posted 03/02/23 12:09pm

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Interesting read. Thx!


Glad I'm over my vinyl fetish but some albums are only available as vinyl.

As far as re-issues, they seem to be hit or miss for me. When they're making the orignal better with clarity then I'm all in. I've heard re-issues that made me hear an old album like it was the first time I'm hearing it. Pulling subtle details never heard before or other bonus mixes...I love that stuff.

It's when they remix the album and bury intruments in the mix, this is where it crosses a line and I'd rather have the original recording (vinyl or whatever media).



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Reply #2 posted 03/02/23 6:52pm

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You couldn't pay me to buy a reissue. So many of those are not only bad copies of master tapes or digital masters, but many are straight-up MP3s pressed to vinyl. I used to be a part of a now-defunct community that would include spectrals with every needledrop with OCD notations on pressings. These reissues are shady as F.

OG vinyl or bust, reissues are more if you want to decorate your room with kewl cover art. For everything else, the OG pressings are the true king.

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Reply #3 posted 03/02/23 7:24pm

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I still love finding the original albums if I can.

One case in point is Bad from Michael Jackson. Most of those songs were replaced with 7" remixes, and I want the original album.

One surefire way to tell is the title track. The horns are removed throughout the song except on the last chorus just seconds before the fade starts. Another is the spoken intro on "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" being removed, with just the instrumentation left in place.

Time signatures is another, of course. But nothing on the album itself has chanced: UPC code, markings, etc. A repressing of that album is unlikely to be as it originally was in 1987. Hell, they didn't even put that spoken intro back until Bad 25 or something like that, when a ltd ed. 45 of the song was released. (I have it.)

I waited for years to find an original copy. Finally did at my local record shop. Luckily they had listening stations and I did my homework on it before buying it.

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Reply #4 posted 03/03/23 8:52am

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I prefer the old original records. To my ears, they sound better.

The reissues are only if I can't find, or don't want to pay for, an original pressing.

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Reply #5 posted 03/05/23 2:33am

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Sometimes the re-issues actually sound better than the originals in some cases IMO. But, in other cases, like the first-press Led Zeppelin LPs I bought during the pandemic from the original owner--no way are the re-makes superior to those.

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Reply #6 posted 03/07/23 1:49pm

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just posted about this on the other thread.

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Reply #7 posted 03/07/23 3:34pm

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Actually going to compare two original near mint Stevie Nicks vinyl albums to the 2016 remasters on 180 gram vinyl and see what the difference is to my ears. First time I've done this...

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Reply #8 posted 03/08/23 7:27am

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Interesting to compare two old original Stevie Nicks vinyl LPs to the so-called new "re-masters" on 180 gram vinyl. Uh, I don't hear better sound on these than the originals. So, why would I keep the new ones even on 180 gram vinyl? I won't. They go back and that will knock the price off the Stevie Nicks ticket for a great seat in two weeks. wink

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Reply #9 posted 03/08/23 3:48pm

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On the other hand, I recently got the Eurythmics' new lps on 180 gram vinyl from the 80s and those sound great. Although I had to exchange one. lol

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Reply #10 posted 04/03/23 8:41am

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I am a vinyl collector too, but I am not an audiophil collector, which means I do not look for pressings from audiophil labels (especially MoFi). I have different Vinyls from the same artists (for instance a new Reissue from "Curtis" but an I think a no name pressing from "Superfly"). From Minnie Riperton I have pressings from the 1970s. From Led Zeppelin I have reissues but from "Houses of the Holy" a Canadian pressing from the 1970s. What I am looking especially for are pressings from Japan: I have made good experiences with them.

I think the best are the original pressings from the year they recordings were orginally released, but this is a question of money one wanna spend. On the other hand there are the "halfspeed" pressings,new mixing (for instance "Revolver" last year). I don´t know.

Maybe the best way is to compare the pressings on this well known vinyl market on the internet.

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Reply #11 posted 04/08/23 3:32pm

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It depends on when the original vinyl pressing was released. If the original pressing was from the 90s or early 00s then a later remastered reissue tends to sound better. For example, the recent vinyl reissues of PJ Harvey's and Goldfrapp's catalogs have gotten universal praise. I don't know anyone who prefers the original pressings of those records from the 90s and 00s.

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