did he say her music is horrible ? if not he was being nice to the no talent

May 14, 2016

2. The Very Best

3. Purple Rain

4. The Hits/The B-Sides

6. Ultimate

7. 1999

20. Sign O The Times

48. Hit N Run: Phase One

50. Parade

51. Around The World In A Day

52. Prince

55. Controversy

56. Dirty Mind

61. Batman

80. Diamonds And Pearls

81. Art Official Age

111.

116. Hit N Run: Phase Two

138. For You

192. Plectrumelectrum

Just listed this for the raw popularity of Prince's albums.

Logically, the next Deluxe release should have been 'Parade', followed by 'ATWIAD'

GoldenDreds said:

did he say her music is horrible ? if not he was being nice to the no talent

It's short-sighted to say Taylor Swift is untalented. You don't have to like her music or voice, but you have to recognize she has a good voice, and writes good songs. And has taken control of her music in a big way. Her fans were fully supportive of her and bought those records so she got the share of it, not whoever owns those original albums.

TrivialPursuit said:

GoldenDreds said:

did he say her music is horrible ? if not he was being nice to the no talent

It's short-sighted to say Taylor Swift is untalented. You don't have to like her music or voice, but you have to recognize she has a good voice, and writes good songs. And has taken control of her music in a big way. Her fans were fully supportive of her and bought those records so she got the share of it, not whoever owns those original albums.

for a long time I never listened to either taylor swift or lana del rey because people on the org
kept saying how horrible they were and had no talent.

now they are among my favorite artists since they just write very beautiful and melodic songs
with clever, honest, sexy or funny lyrics.

I've decided to appreciate Taylor from afar, as a talent. But nothing in my wheel house. But I was fully onboard for her re-recording her albums like that.

Lana Del Ray is the human embodiment of the word "dismal."

I prefer Torta Del Ray, as featured on Man vs. Food season 3.

TrivialPursuit said:

But I was fully onboard for her re-recording her albums like that.

1999: The New Master fan, eh?

TrivialPursuit said:

I've decided to appreciate Taylor from afar, as a talent. But nothing in my wheel house. But I was fully onboard for her re-recording her albums like that.

Lana Del Ray is the human embodiment of the word "dismal."

I don't know, maybe they are terrible human beings, but I don't really read anything anymore
about these newer artists. I've stopped watching interviews and reading stuff about music that
I like since about 2000. I just can't be bothered anymore.

But Del Ray has some fucking amazing songs tho

WhisperingDandelions said:

TrivialPursuit said:

But I was fully onboard for her re-recording her albums like that.

1999: The New Master fan, eh?

Nope. But if it gave her control of her music, then good on her. I can't imagine she'd change anything major because fans know her music. They want the same song, with a fresh sound (ie: clearer, etc).

I'm actually thankful Prince did not re-record his catalog. There was no way he was ever going to do that anyway.

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

I imagine it is similar to when TLC did it (possibly on Prince's advice). Those are the versions they license out now. They're pretty close, I think, but a keen ear or people who know those songs note for note can hear it. It tricked me at first though. Just sounded like a slight remix.

I wasn't aware TLC did this. I must go listen. But - were those re-recorded songs on a record somewhere???

Journey and Jeff Lynne of ELO recorded greatest hits records with entirely re-recorded versions. Journey's is with Arnel. Jeff Lynne started out just doing one song, then three, then the whole disk.

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I dismissed TAYLOR early on because I saw her as nothing but another pop teen, till I realized that she wrote everything, she really didnt have eight million other focuses, and over the last five albums especially the last 3 I think she is one the most talented in the mainstream for sure. The hate for her is similar to the Tom Brady hate was in the NFL, I get it and understand it, but saying she has no talent? are you serious? she cant write? she cant play? she does all those things, she doesnt need forty seven producers and co writers, also she made GOOD on her I am going to re-do my albums talk where Prince could not get that ball rolling ever.

SolaceAHA said:

I dismissed TAYLOR early on because I saw her as nothing but another pop teen, till I realized that she wrote everything, she really didnt have eight million other focuses, and over the last five albums especially the last 3 I think she is one the most talented in the mainstream for sure. The hate for her is similar to the Tom Brady hate was in the NFL, I get it and understand it, but saying she has no talent? are you serious? she cant write? she cant play? she does all those things, she doesnt need forty seven producers and co writers, also she made GOOD on her I am going to re-do my albums talk where Prince could not get that ball rolling ever.

That part:

And even the pop teen is totally untrue. She started at 17, but first (arguably) pop album was probably Reputation, although she'd delved into pop on the previous album or two. It was the same album with the big pop hit "Shake It Off." She was 28 at that time.

I kinda wonder whose fan base is more manic - the BeyHive or Swifties.

TrivialPursuit said:

SolaceAHA said:

I dismissed TAYLOR early on because I saw her as nothing but another pop teen, till I realized that she wrote everything, she really didnt have eight million other focuses, and over the last five albums especially the last 3 I think she is one the most talented in the mainstream for sure. The hate for her is similar to the Tom Brady hate was in the NFL, I get it and understand it, but saying she has no talent? are you serious? she cant write? she cant play? she does all those things, she doesnt need forty seven producers and co writers, also she made GOOD on her I am going to re-do my albums talk where Prince could not get that ball rolling ever.

That part:

And even the pop teen is totally untrue. She started at 17, but first (arguably) pop album was probably Reputation, although she'd delved into pop on the previous album or two. It was the same album with the big pop hit "Shake It Off." She was 28 at that time.

I kinda wonder whose fan base is more manic - the BeyHive or Swifties.

I would have to say BEYONCE and even Mariah Carey before Taylor. Her base is pretty manic with her merchandise, RSD stuff and things like that, forget about it, they are camping out already for her APril RSD release. Taylor is a bit more hands on than any of the others I feel at least, the taking back music/masters, the ticketmaster monopoly though I feel they will not beat TM by any means it put some light on how insane pricing and fees are for some. I did dismiss early on mainly because she fell into that mold and I wasnt really into that stuff, I have gotten more into her now at least the last three to four albums which I think show more growth of a pop mainstream artist than I have seen in a bit.

Tora said:

https://www.billboard.com...200-chart/ Here are the acts who have placed at least 10 albums on the Billboard 200 chart at the same time (since August 1963): Taylor Swift – March 4, 2023 (10 albums) Prince – May 28, 2016 (13) Prince – May 21, 2016 (10) Prince – May 14, 2016 (19) David Bowie – Jan. 30, 2016 (10) The Beatles – March 1, 2014 (13) Whitney Houston – March 10, 2012 (10) The Beatles – Dec. 4, 2010 (14) The Beatles – Jan. 9, 2010 (11) Prince, Bowie and Houston’s achievements came shortly after they died, following a surge of interest in their respective catalogs from music fans.

The only issue not really issue but you have to put an ** on Prince, Whitney and Bowie because it was all Death related, so if you do that its TAYLOR and the Beatles and considering one hasnt done anything new as a band in 54 years its really an accomplishment for both.

SolaceAHA said:

I did dismiss early on mainly because she fell into that mold and I wasnt really into that stuff, I have gotten more into her now at least the last three to four albums which I think show more growth of a pop mainstream artist than I have seen in a bit.

I'm gonna be honest. I just despised her. I don't know why I never clicked with her, but something about her annoys me.

And to be more honest, it was something someone said once a decade ago or more, about how she sorta "Oh my gosh you guuuuyzzz!" when she'd win an award. I mean, she was nominated. It's not a total surprise. Yes, you're excited, stop with the attempts at self-effacing.

I didn't care for some of her songs when they crossed over, but "Shake It Off" was catchy as fuck. I remember someone in the comments on that video said, "Well, there goes her career." I thought, even though I didn't like her, it certainly wasn't going to kill her career. It did just the opposite; skyrocketed it. Her subsequent tours were massive, some of the biggest I'd ever seen.

I do sort of want to give her a chance, though. She is talented, writes her music, plays instruments, and has a really good voice. She even made amends with Katy Perry instead of being a snarky bitch for the rest of her life. So - since I've finished my discography listen of Elton John, maybe I'll see if I'm Swifty-capable in the future.

PS I once called her a cunt on Twitter, and got a 3-day time-out. LOL That was looooong time ago. "That Taylor Swift is sort of a cunt, huh?" I've no idea what prompted me to do it. I think her team blocked me, but when she started the campaign for some new album after that, they unblocked everyone and erased all previous tweets. Don't judge me, I was having a moment.

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One thing I appreciate about Taylor Swift is when she first came out I remember her saying she was obsessed with "Behind The Music" (weren't we all?) and how she studied them thoroughly because they all had the same trajectory. She said she didn't want her career to go down the same road and I see she's learned all her lessons.

I'm not a fan but even I could recognize early on her ability to paint a vivd picture.

She has, does and always will have the time of her life at an awards show.

And she's come up with the modern, zeitgeist slogan that has gone over everyone's head ("It's me. Hi. I'm the problem it's me!")

As for Lana Del Rey I'm still confused by the hate.

But I'm a sucker for the melodramatic. The strings.

There's a danger, an edge, to her aesthetic missing from every other female artist out right now.

It's roadtrips in fast cars. Needles and pills. Guns and violence. Natural Born Killers chic.

It's toxic men and sex for better or worse.

Then there's the other side. The depression behind gilded cages.

There's the americana of yosemite and american flags and Jackie Kennedy.

The feeling of nostalgia without the authenticity of it.

Talk about vivid pictures or movies of the mind. Lana accomplishes it.

TrivialPursuit said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

1999: The New Master fan, eh?

Nope. But if it gave her control of her music, then good on her. I can't imagine she'd change anything major because fans know her music. They want the same song, with a fresh sound (ie: clearer, etc).

I'm actually thankful Prince did not re-record his catalog. There was no way he was ever going to do that anyway.

It just seems like a contradiction. You applaud Swift for doing it but didn't want Prince to do it?

Also your designations of artists in this entire thread have zero to do with the actual quality of their art, more to do with every aspect of their personality/motivations/character around the art. It's like more gen-Z than the staunchest gen-Zer, even the stans are only stans because they think these singers got bops. You'll be like, "love me some lizzo... don't care about the music, but she apparently tips well. I support her."

CynicKill said:

As for Lana Del Rey I'm still confused by the hate.

But I'm a sucker for the melodramatic. The strings.

There's a danger, an edge, to her aesthetic missing from every other female artist out right now.

It's roadtrips in fast cars. Needles and pills. Guns and violence. Natural Born Killers chic.

It's toxic men and sex for better or worse.

Then there's the other side. The depression behind gilded cages.

There's the americana of yosemite and american flags and Jackie Kennedy.

The feeling of nostalgia without the authenticity of it.

Talk about vivid pictures or movies of the mind. Lana accomplishes it.

She's all right, it seems like she's kind of ripping off a lot that Lee Hazlewood, Nancy Sinatra grandiose cowboy psychadelia style from the 60s, though.

Taylor is very in tune with what Prince represented.

That whole scene in in the video for "Anti-Hero"???

WhisperingDandelions said:

It just seems like a contradiction. You applaud Swift for doing it but didn't want Prince to do it?

Because I know how Prince would've changed shit, taken out cuss words, etc. I feared it would've been that flat, acrylic production he was doing 24/7. You think ol' boy was really going to re-record "Sister" or "Head" and do it justice???

I've listened to some, not all, of the Swift re-records, and it feels authentic.

That's why.

WhisperingDandelions said:

CynicKill said:

As for Lana Del Rey I'm still confused by the hate.

But I'm a sucker for the melodramatic. The strings.

There's a danger, an edge, to her aesthetic missing from every other female artist out right now.

It's roadtrips in fast cars. Needles and pills. Guns and violence. Natural Born Killers chic.

It's toxic men and sex for better or worse.

Then there's the other side. The depression behind gilded cages.

There's the americana of yosemite and american flags and Jackie Kennedy.

The feeling of nostalgia without the authenticity of it.

Talk about vivid pictures or movies of the mind. Lana accomplishes it.

She's all right, it seems like she's kind of ripping off a lot that Lee Hazlewood, Nancy Sinatra grandiose cowboy psychadelia style from the 60s, though.

She used to namedrop Nancy Sinatra all the time when she first came out.

But I have to admit to not being familiar with Lee Hazlewood and you ain't never lied.

TrivialPursuit said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

It just seems like a contradiction. You applaud Swift for doing it but didn't want Prince to do it?

Because I know how Prince would've changed shit, taken out cuss words, etc. I feared it would've been that flat, acrylic production he was doing 24/7. You think ol' boy was really going to re-record "Sister" or "Head" and do it justice???

I've listened to some, not all, of the Swift re-records, and it feels authentic.

That's why.

The real missed opportunity was him not re-recording 1999 for 1999.

I know he wasn't close to The Revolution at the time, but what might have been even cooler would've been to re-record with The New Power Generation (or whatever band he was using in the late 90's).

Not a rearrangement, but what the songs would sound like with the style and chops of that new band.

I think that would've been something special.

But as it stands 1999 is the biggest missed opportunity in music history.

CynicKill said:

The real missed opportunity was him not re-recording 1999 for 1999.

I know he wasn't close to The Revolution at the time, but what might have been even cooler would've been to re-record with The New Power Generation (or whatever band he was using in the late 90's).

Not a rearrangement, but what the songs would sound like with the style and chops of that new band.

I think that would've been something special.

But as it stands 1999 is the biggest missed opportunity in music history.

You're.... you're kidding right?

TrivialPursuit said:

Tora said:

https://www.billboard.com...200-chart/ Here are the acts who have placed at least 10 albums on the Billboard 200 chart at the same time (since August 1963): Taylor Swift – March 4, 2023 (10 albums) Prince – May 28, 2016 (13) Prince – May 21, 2016 (10) Prince – May 14, 2016 (19) David Bowie – Jan. 30, 2016 (10) The Beatles – March 1, 2014 (13) Whitney Houston – March 10, 2012 (10) The Beatles – Dec. 4, 2010 (14) The Beatles – Jan. 9, 2010 (11) Prince, Bowie and Houston’s achievements came shortly after they died, following a surge of interest in their respective catalogs from music fans.

I love the fact that (and tell me if i'm the only one doing this), I love the fact that I will always read threads like this to be Prince is the one doing the mentioning. It's possible. God only knows how much written forward the storyline of the music business actually was written. And I don't care how crazy I am to not want an entertainment entity to be dead. Least I'm honest about that.

CynicKill said:

As for Lana Del Rey I'm still confused by the hate.

But I'm a sucker for the melodramatic. The strings.

There's a danger, an edge, to her aesthetic missing from every other female artist out right now.

It's roadtrips in fast cars. Needles and pills. Guns and violence. Natural Born Killers chic.

It's toxic men and sex for better or worse.

Then there's the other side. The depression behind gilded cages.

There's the americana of yosemite and american flags and Jackie Kennedy.

The feeling of nostalgia without the authenticity of it.

Talk about vivid pictures or movies of the mind. Lana accomplishes it.

I love her...I actually discovered her accidentally on iTunes when she released her first album "Lana Del Rey AKA Lizzy Grant", which was eventually removed. Her songs are all very interesting, and she seems to play different types of characters on them all. There is a very Lynchian quality to her that I truly dig.

Taylor Swift has major talent. At first I wasn't to hip on her, but on her Reputation Stadium tour my daughters and got damn good tickets. She was amazing!

I like her catchy songs like You've gotta calm down, you're being to loud... ( I also love the video)

She gives a lot to Charities also.

The Swifties are a strong force for sure!