https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZvnQ3482TU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CVAz4QP4to

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RJOrion said:

In the words of the great Chuck D..

In some interviews like this one Chuck has said he likes Elvis' music. He's said that he doesn't agree of the perception of Elvis as being The King or credited as inventing rock n roll.

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nextedition said:

He was influenced, just like prince, mj and all other artist are by older generations.

Little Richard got part of his look from a musician named Esquerita. Gospel singer Marion Williams influenced some of his vocal screams. Paul McCartney was doing a Little Richard impression on some of the early Beatles songs and they did a tour with Richard. Some of Michael Jackson's dance moves were inspired from dancers like Bob Fosse & Fred Astaire. The Nicholas Brothers appeared on The Jacksons 1970s variety TV show. Beyonce's Single Ladies video is basically a copy of a 1960s dance routine by Gwen Verdon called Mexican Breakfast, which was choreographed by Fosse. Some of Led Zeppelin's songs were copied from old blues songs. The Beatles songs were based on R&B, traditional Indian music, showtunes, reggae, classical, folk, country, etc.

MickyDolenz said:

RJOrion said:

and i stand firmly on what i said and what Gooddoctor23 said about Elvis being a thief

I'm not going to rate something a random dude on an obscure website said over Elvis contemporaries like B.B. King, Mavis Staples, Rufus Thomas, Jackie Wilson, & others who have said that Elvis "stole" nothing. James Brown released a tribute song to Elvis when Elvis passed.

MickyDolenz said:

Ali speaking at a 1985 memorial service for Elvis: watch

https://www.youtube.com/w..._dqfeYWsXc

This should help.

RJOrion said:

Word...he's well known and well documented as a thief...also a terribly overrated singer, he couldnt dance, and he was a terrible actor...ive always been confused as to why he was ever "famous" in the first place... In the words of the great Chuck D.. "Mother F--- him, and John Wayne..."

I never heard of Roy Hamilton but this is beyong influence.

He stole everything but the mans wife.

RJOrion said:

JorisE73 said:

RJOrion said:

MickyDolenz said:

In some interviews like this one Chuck has said he likes Elvis' music. He's said that he doesn't agree of the perception of Elvis as being The King or credited as inventing rock n roll.

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I couldnt care less what Chuck D says in that interview...i know what he said and felt on the song i quoted...and i stand firmly on what i said and what Gooddoctor23 said about Elvis being a thief, and what i said about Elvis having no talent as an actor and dancer, and beng wildly overrated as a singer...his music and movies and performances are overrated trash, In my opinion...he was no King [Edited 8/19/22 11:08am]

Good thing the world doesn't give a shit about your opinion and has a different one.

PatrickS77 said:

PatrickS77 said:

This is a great thread.

"In the words of the great Chuck D..."

"Actually, Chuck D said this..."

"Who cares what Chuck D says, tell me what true greats like Ali said..."

"Actually, Ali said this..."

"WHO CARES what Ali says... I say this..."

"We don't care."

"OBVIOUSLY you do care!"

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WhisperingDandelions said:

This is a great thread.

"In the words of the great Chuck D..."

"Actually, Chuck D said this..."

"Who cares what Chuck D says, tell me what true greats like Ali said..."

"Actually, Ali said this..."

"WHO CARES what Ali says... I say this..."

"We don't care."

"OBVIOUSLY you do care!"

He claims that Ali is another "old school southern reared and even brainwashed and/or undereducated artists would say that...because it wouldve been career suicide and possibly even WORSE to say anything to the contrary...im sure those people you named didnt want to take the risk of being blackballed or lynched or murdered for speaking against the powers that be". This is the same Muhammad Ali that changed his named from Cassius Clay to a Muslim name in the early 1960s, then refused to go to Vietnam. He got his boxing titles & career stripped from him for several years and got a lot of death threats for being a "draft dodger". All of those artists have spoken well about Elvis long after he had passed away. What kind of lynching or having his career blacklisted would have happened to B.B. King in the 1980s or 1990s or 2000s? The US government was sponsoring B.B. King to perform in Russia & China in the 1970s & 1980s and do USO tours. Mavis Staples wrote about Elvis attending services at her church in her 2014 autobiography and she said nothing negative about him. Stevie Wonder has spoken well about Elvis and Eddie Murphy had a entire room of his home with Elvis stuff. Michael Jackson married his daughter. Even Louis Farrakhan said this about Black musicians going into the classical music field, "Elvis Presley shared the soul of black music's best performers. He was a reflection of our life experience. Why shouldn't we do the same? Black artists should feel the freedom to reflect the God in Mendelssohn's music just as whites are touched by the God in us.."

As a matter of fact, many whites during Elvis heyday hated him. They said he was a n-lover, some white preachers said he was performing the devil's music. In the 1980s, Johnny Cash told a story of Elvis performing at the Grand Ole Opry early in his career. An older popular country singer (that Cash doesn't name) said to Elvis with disgust that he was that guy who sang "n-music". Cash said that Elvis started crying and never returned to the Opry. Some white people said that rock n roll in general caused juvenile delinquncy. That was one reason record labels would put white models on the album covers of Black artists. So white teenagers could bring the records home and their parents would think the singers were white. It was no accident that Elvis was drafted, they thought that he was a fad and his popularity would be gone by the time he got out. A lot of people wrote in to TV networks complaining about Elvis' dancing. After that he was generally filmed waist up on TV.

RJOrion said:

PatrickS77 said:

Good thing the world doesn't give a shit about your opinion and has a different one.

YOU obviously give a shit, because you replied...and you replied all in your fragile feelings...walk it off, Chump..."the King" (of Thieves) is DEAD.

Oh, yeah. And a response like a little child. We truly don't give a shit. We're just amused.

chuck d's line in fight the power was more about elvis the symbol, the public figure, than elvis the singer/musician. it was a takedown of popular white figures. i bet chuck likes one or two john wayne movies too. elvis is just the target, the easy person to serve up if you are looking for someone to symbolise the 'white artists stole everything they know from black artists' line of thinking.

fact is, yes, elvis took from black music, but he also brought white influences into it too. there are many great elvis songs with little that obviously owes anything to blues, or rnb. so you dont have to LIKE elvis, but to just dismiss him entirely as a 'thief' etc etc, is not just too easy, it makes it look like you cant think in anything more than binaries tbh.

elvis' black peers might have had reservations about elvis being more succesful than them, they knew the racial politics of america, but i doubt they hated him or his music. but then artists are usually more open minded musically than the average person.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/quincy-jones-michael-jackson-elvis-presley-1234955138/

quincy jones on elvis:

How did you meet Michael Jackson?

When he was 12 at Sammy Davis’ house, and he told me when we decided to do [The Wiz], he says, “I need you to help me find a producer. I’m getting ready to do my first solo album.”

What was he like on the set of The Wiz?

He knew how to do his homework, whether it was with Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly or whoever, James Brown. He was doing some Elvis copying, too. “The King of Pop,” man. Come on!

Did you ever work with Elvis?

No. I wouldn’t work with him.

Why not?

I was writing for [orchestra leader] Tommy Dorsey, oh God, back then in the ’50s. And Elvis came in, and Tommy said, “I don’t want to play with him.” He was a racist mother — I’m going to shut up now. But every time I saw Elvis, he was being coached by [“Don’t Be Cruel” songwriter] Otis Blackwell, telling him how to sing. [Blackwell told David Letterman in 1987 that he and Presley had never met.]

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

chuck d's line in fight the power was more about elvis the symbol, the public figure, than elvis the singer/musician. it was a takedown of popular white figures. i bet chuck likes one or two john wayne movies too. elvis is just the target, the easy person to serve up if you are looking for someone to symbolise the 'white artists stole everything they know from black artists' line of thinking.

fact is, yes, elvis took from black music, but he also brought white influences into it too. there are many great elvis songs with little that obviously owes anything to blues, or rnb. so you dont have to LIKE elvis, but to just dismiss him entirely as a 'thief' etc etc, is not just too easy, it makes it look like you cant think in anything more than binaries tbh.

elvis' black peers might have had reservations about elvis being more succesful than them, they knew the racial politics of america, but i doubt they hated him or his music. but then artists are usually more open minded musically than the average person.

The only white influence he brought was his skin color.
His style of singing (the use of his voice) was borrowed from black artists, his dance moves were borrowed from black artists etc.

vernon reid on elvis and bb king -

https://twitter.com/vurnt22/status/1522953403357609984

JorisE73 said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

chuck d's line in fight the power was more about elvis the symbol, the public figure, than elvis the singer/musician. it was a takedown of popular white figures. i bet chuck likes one or two john wayne movies too. elvis is just the target, the easy person to serve up if you are looking for someone to symbolise the 'white artists stole everything they know from black artists' line of thinking.

fact is, yes, elvis took from black music, but he also brought white influences into it too. there are many great elvis songs with little that obviously owes anything to blues, or rnb. so you dont have to LIKE elvis, but to just dismiss him entirely as a 'thief' etc etc, is not just too easy, it makes it look like you cant think in anything more than binaries tbh.

elvis' black peers might have had reservations about elvis being more succesful than them, they knew the racial politics of america, but i doubt they hated him or his music. but then artists are usually more open minded musically than the average person.

The only white influence he brought was his skin color.
His style of singing (the use of his voice) was borrowed from black artists, his dance moves were borrowed from black artists etc.

its this kind of (and often painful liberal) absolutism that makes everyone look stupid.

youre telling me theres no country influence in elvis?

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

JorisE73 said:

The only white influence he brought was his skin color.
His style of singing (the use of his voice) was borrowed from black artists, his dance moves were borrowed from black artists etc.

its this kind of (and often painful liberal) absolutism that makes everyone look stupid.

youre telling me theres no country influence in elvis?

Sure, there a bit of Country music influence in Elvis, but that;s what I'm saying as I expect you to know that Country music is also 'black' music. But I didn';t mention any of this in my previous post, so you make yourself look quite closed minded and rather 'simple'.

But in my post above I mentioned his style of singing as in teh use of his voice which he clearly borrowed from (a) Black singer(s) and is not his own original style.

Sure, there a bit of Country music influence in Elvis, but that;s what I'm saying as I expect you to know that Country music is also 'black' music. But I didn';t mention any of this in my previous post, so you make yourself look quite closed minded and rather 'simple'.

loool

so everything is black music?

if im making myself look close minded, youre just making yourself look like that corny kind of white liberal patting himself on the back for saying 'oh its all black music really'

loooool

country might have some white influences, but youre telling me its not about the experience of white southern americans? that that isnt its cultural compass? i mean, jazz has white european influences all over it, but no one is saying its not 'black music'.

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Sure, there a bit of Country music influence in Elvis, but that;s what I'm saying as I expect you to know that Country music is also 'black' music. But I didn';t mention any of this in my previous post, so you make yourself look quite closed minded and rather 'simple'.

loool

so everything is black music?

if im making myself look close minded, youre just making yourself look like that corny kind of white liberal patting himself on the back for saying 'oh its all black music really'

loooool

country might have some white influences, but youre telling me its not about the experience of white southern americans? that that isnt its cultural compass? i mean, jazz has white european influences all over it, but no one is saying its not 'black music'.

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I'm not talking about lyrics but only the Music and style.
You must be American to come at this all hot and bothered and go all political on me with your 'white liberal' nonsense.
I'm just saying what other black and white people have proven over the last 4 decades regarding Elvis's style. I doesn't matter in the end so no need to get all defensive. If you enjoy that kind of stuff then good for you. I'd rather listen to the originals because it looks and sound better to me.

And maybe you should read up on Country music.