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Astasheiks

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Jesse Johnson Jams?

Months ago somebody was mentioning some songs they thought were really good by Jesse Johnson besides "Can You Help Me". Can any of you all think of what those songs are? (the name of the songs) And I think a few people were saying a few had some really good Guitar Solos... cool

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Reply #1 posted 06/04/22 1:48pm

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I like almost all of his stuff.

At this point, his music is hard to come by if you want to have a physical copy of a CD like I do.

I have his stuff from the 80's on vinyl that I bought in the 80's. I transferred that over to digital so I can listen to it easier.

In the 90's I used to listen to his Bare my Naked Soul CD and really enjoyed it.

I feel Jesse is very underrated

I feel this post would get a better response if you placed it in the related artists section

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Reply #2 posted 06/04/22 2:51pm

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In 2000, a "Best of" cd was released, which you can still get a hold on for a reasonable price:
https://www.discogs.com/r...Collection
It gives a good overview of his most popular song and also included some remixes and b-sides. That should be a good starting point for you!
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Reply #3 posted 06/05/22 12:57am

jazzz

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Some standout tracks that are missing from the "Ultimate Collection" are "Every shade of love" and "Do yourself a favor".
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Reply #4 posted 06/06/22 5:50am

SoulAlive

his second album Shockadelica is excellent all the way through.
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Reply #5 posted 06/07/22 11:13am

RJOrion

"Can You Help Me"
"Free World"
"I Want My Girl"
"Be Your Man"
"Crazay"
"Lets Have Some Fun"
"Do Yourself A Favor"

All from his 1st 2 albums...his 3rd album was garbage
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Reply #6 posted 06/10/22 9:15pm

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SoulAlive said:

his second album Shockadelica is excellent all the way through.

Most definitely. I remember in college I wrote a term paper for my Philosophy class and

I used some of the lyrics from Do Yourself A Favor and somehow got an A on it. lol

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Reply #7 posted 06/13/22 12:10am

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Reply #8 posted 06/13/22 11:22am

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jazzz said:

. Some standout tracks that are missing from the "Ultimate Collection" are "Every shade of love" and "Do yourself a favor".

I have the 12 inch for Every Shade Of Love with and East Coast and West Coast mix and I have a 45 of Love Struck that oddly has a remix of Do Yourself A Favor as the b side but the 12 inch of Love Struck doesn't contain it as a b side.

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Reply #9 posted 06/13/22 8:51pm

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The 12" to Crazay with Sly Stone backed with Drive Yo' Cadillac are my favorites after Be Your Man.

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Reply #10 posted 06/14/22 11:34am

jazzz

phunkdaddy said:



jazzz said:


. Some standout tracks that are missing from the "Ultimate Collection" are "Every shade of love" and "Do yourself a favor".


I have the 12 inch for Every Shade Of Love with and East Coast and West Coast mix and I have a 45 of Love Struck that oddly has a remix of Do Yourself A Favor as the b side but the 12 inch of Love Struck doesn't contain it as a b side.


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Yes, have these too! Great mixes, especially the one for Do Yourself a Favor, as you said, it only appeared on that 7", and is quite long for inclusion on a 45... In the 80s and 90s, I collected all Jesse's 12" singles for the remixes and b-sides. Many of these are great, like the "live" remix of She (I can't resist), which features some sped-up clean guitar soloing ala Prince. It would have been nice to have had special cd of all Jesse's remixes and b-sides...
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Reply #11 posted 06/19/22 11:25am

SoulAlive

"She (I Can't Resist)" is one of his best jams....what a groove!

She (I Can't Resist) - YouTube

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Reply #12 posted 06/20/22 10:21am

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RJOrion said:

his 3rd album was garbage


I like Every Shade Of Love but it does seem to be a little weaker than the first two albums.
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Reply #13 posted 06/21/22 12:37pm

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SoulAlive said:

RJOrion said:
his 3rd album was garbage
I like Every Shade Of Love but it does seem to be a little weaker than the first two albums.

Yeah by this time he fired all his band members and played all the instruments himself except

using Eddie F on sax. He had a kick ass band for his first two albums. That's the difference between

his first 2 albums and Every Shade Of Love

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Reply #14 posted 06/21/22 12:44pm

SoulAlive

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

RJOrion said: I like Every Shade Of Love but it does seem to be a little weaker than the first two albums.

Yeah by this time he fired all his band members and played all the instruments himself except

using Eddie F on sax. He had a kick ass band for his first two albums. That's the difference between

his first 2 albums and Every Shade Of Love

I remember an interview from that period and Jesse was saying that he was "bummed out" that Shockadelica didn't do very well.It wasn't as big as the first album and he was kinda depressed.That's probably why he had to fire the band and scale back a little.

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Reply #15 posted 06/22/22 12:41pm

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SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

Yeah by this time he fired all his band members and played all the instruments himself except

using Eddie F on sax. He had a kick ass band for his first two albums. That's the difference between

his first 2 albums and Every Shade Of Love

I remember an interview from that period and Jesse was saying that he was "bummed out" that Shockadelica didn't do very well.It wasn't as big as the first album and he was kinda depressed.That's probably why he had to fire the band and scale back a little.

Yeah Crazay was the only single that burned up the charts. The followup singles She I Can't Resist and Baby Let's Kiss didn't chart as well but both songs were hot.

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Reply #16 posted 06/22/22 1:42pm

SoulAlive

phunkdaddy said:



SoulAlive said:




phunkdaddy said:




Yeah by this time he fired all his band members and played all the instruments himself except


using Eddie F on sax. He had a kick ass band for his first two albums. That's the difference between


his first 2 albums and Every Shade Of Love




I remember an interview from that period and Jesse was saying that he was "bummed out" that Shockadelica didn't do very well.It wasn't as big as the first album and he was kinda depressed.That's probably why he had to fire the band and scale back a little.




Yeah Crazay was the only single that burned up the charts. The followup singles She I Can't Resist and Baby Let's Kiss didn't chart as well but both songs were hot.



Yes those songs are great and should have done well.Jesse wasn’t too happy with A&M Records’s promotional efforts.
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Reply #17 posted 06/22/22 3:30pm

jazzz

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Yes those songs are great and should have done well.Jesse wasn’t too happy with A&M Records’s promotional efforts.

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Given Jesse's presence on several A&M soundtracks, this shows that the record company did serious efforts to promote him. I also remember his poster being prominently shown in the movie Pretty in Pink during a scene in the record store. How much we as fans of the mpls sound appreciate Jesse's music, the wider audience in the 80's mostly saw him as another Prince clone. That's why his albums and singles only gaines limited success.
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Reply #18 posted 06/22/22 6:47pm

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SoulAlive said:

Jesse wasn’t too happy with A&M Records’s promotional efforts.

Jesse's 3rd album came out after New Jack Swing blew up, especially on R&B radio. So it probably wasn't going to do all that much no matter who released it. A lot of other acts were releasing NJS records, even Boy George. Or they released singles with rappers (Midnight Star, Jody Watley, Billy Ocean, El DeBarge)

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #19 posted 06/22/22 9:16pm

SoulAlive

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SoulAlive said:


Jesse wasn’t too happy with A&M Records’s promotional efforts.

Jesse's 3rd album came out after New Jack Swing blew up, especially on R&B radio. So it probably wasn't going to do all that much no matter who released it. A lot of other acts were releasing NJS records, even Boy George. Or they released singles with rappers (Midnight Star, Jody Watley, Billy Ocean, El DeBarge)




Yeah and at that time,I was starting to think that the Minneapolis sound had reached its peak (commercially) even though Jam and Lewis were still having much success with their version of it.Even Ready For The World switched gears a little on their third album.
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Reply #20 posted 06/22/22 11:53pm

jazzz

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SoulAlive said:


Jesse wasn’t too happy with A&M Records’s promotional efforts.

Jesse's 3rd album came out after New Jack Swing blew up, especially on R&B radio. So it probably wasn't going to do all that much no matter who released it. A lot of other acts were releasing NJS records, even Boy George. Or they released singles with rappers (Midnight Star, Jody Watley, Billy Ocean, El DeBarge)


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The song Every Shade of Love, one of the singles from the 3rd album, has a New Jack feel, as well as his song Jump for It and the whole Kool Skool album. So, even though he tried to connect to the NJS wave, success was limited...
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Reply #21 posted 06/22/22 11:59pm

jazzz

SoulAlive said:

MickyDolenz said:



SoulAlive said:


Jesse wasn’t too happy with A&M Records’s promotional efforts.

Jesse's 3rd album came out after New Jack Swing blew up, especially on R&B radio. So it probably wasn't going to do all that much no matter who released it. A lot of other acts were releasing NJS records, even Boy George. Or they released singles with rappers (Midnight Star, Jody Watley, Billy Ocean, El DeBarge)




Yeah and at that time,I was starting to think that the Minneapolis sound had reached its peak (commercially) even though Jam and Lewis were still having much success with their version of it.Even Ready For The World switched gears a little on their third album.

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Things get a little mixed up here... Jam and Lewis were among the "inventors" of the New Jack Swing style. So their sound basically is a combination of MPLS sound and NJS.
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Reply #22 posted 06/23/22 5:21pm

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jazzz said:

phunkdaddy said:
Yes those songs are great and should have done well.Jesse wasn’t too happy with A&M Records’s promotional efforts.
. Given Jesse's presence on several A&M soundtracks, this shows that the record company did serious efforts to promote him. I also remember his poster being prominently shown in the movie Pretty in Pink during a scene in the record store. How much we as fans of the mpls sound appreciate Jesse's music, the wider audience in the 80's mostly saw him as another Prince clone. That's why his albums and singles only gaines limited success. [Edited 6/22/22 15:41pm] [Edited 6/22/22 16:02pm]

Wasn't Jesse's debut album platinum? He had 3 top 10 singles from the album. I think Wikipedia got it wrong. They have Shockadelica outselling his debut album and I don't think that was the case at all. He was all over R&B radio during the spring and summer of 1985. Not to mention Free World which was the b side of Can You Help Me got a lot of airplay and was burning up the clubs.

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Reply #23 posted 06/23/22 6:14pm

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to explore more of Jesses’s music,be sure to check out his work for other artists and bands.He wrote and produced albums for TaMara and the Seen and Da Krash.

He also wrote “Nights Like This” for After 7,a song from ‘The Five Heartbeats’ movie and soundtrack.
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Reply #24 posted 06/24/22 10:24am

SoulAlive

phunkdaddy said:



jazzz said:


phunkdaddy said:
Yes those songs are great and should have done well.Jesse wasn’t too happy with A&M Records’s promotional efforts.

. Given Jesse's presence on several A&M soundtracks, this shows that the record company did serious efforts to promote him. I also remember his poster being prominently shown in the movie Pretty in Pink during a scene in the record store. How much we as fans of the mpls sound appreciate Jesse's music, the wider audience in the 80's mostly saw him as another Prince clone. That's why his albums and singles only gaines limited success. [Edited 6/22/22 15:41pm] [Edited 6/22/22 16:02pm]


Wasn't Jesse's debut album platinum? He had 3 top 10 singles from the album. I think Wikipedia got it wrong. They have Shockadelica outselling his debut album and I don't think that was the case at all. He was all over R&B radio during the spring and summer of 1985. Not to mention Free World which was the b side of Can You Help Me got a lot of airplay and was burning up the clubs.




The first album was certified gold if I recall correctly.In addition to the three singles,the B-side track “Free World” was also getting massive airplay on R&B stations.
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Reply #25 posted 06/24/22 11:23pm

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MickyDolenz said:



SoulAlive said:


Jesse wasn’t too happy with A&M Records’s promotional efforts.

Jesse's 3rd album came out after New Jack Swing blew up, especially on R&B radio. So it probably wasn't going to do all that much no matter who released it. A lot of other acts were releasing NJS records, even Boy George. Or they released singles with rappers (Midnight Star, Jody Watley, Billy Ocean, El DeBarge)



What song Billy Ocean did with a rapper?
eek
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Reply #26 posted 06/24/22 11:28pm

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jazzz said:

SoulAlive said:




Yeah and at that time,I was starting to think that the Minneapolis sound had reached its peak (commercially) even though Jam and Lewis were still having much success with their version of it.Even Ready For The World switched gears a little on their third album.

.
Things get a little mixed up here... Jam and Lewis were among the "inventors" of the New Jack Swing style. So their sound basically is a combination of MPLS sound and NJS.
[Edited 6/23/22 0:00am]


I never thought of Jam and Lewis as innovators of NJS. I felt they were always Minneapolis R&B until they adapted to it in 1989 on Janet's Rhythm Nation album.
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Reply #27 posted 06/25/22 2:32am

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phunkdaddy said:

jazzz said:


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Things get a little mixed up here... Jam and Lewis were among the "inventors" of the New Jack Swing style. So their sound basically is a combination of MPLS sound and NJS.
[Edited 6/23/22 0:00am]


I never thought of Jam and Lewis as innovators of NJS. I felt they were always Minneapolis R&B until they adapted to it in 1989 on Janet's Rhythm Nation album.

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"[...] Jam & Lewis produced Janet Jackson's digital R&B album, Control (1986). Musicologist Richard J. Ripani PhD, author of The New Blue Music: Changes in Rhythm & Blues, 1950–1999 (2006), observed that the album was one of the first successful records to influence the rise of new jack swing by creating a fusion of R&B, rap, funk, disco and synthesized percussion.[8] The new jack swing sound is particularly evident in the second single, "Nasty".[9] The success of Control, according to Ripani, bridged the gap between R&B and rap music.[8] He asserts that "since Jackson's album was released in 1986 and was hugely successful, it is not unreasonable to assume that it had at least some impact on the new jack swing creations of Teddy Riley."[8]"
(Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.or...ack_swing)
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Reply #28 posted 06/25/22 6:26am

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jazzz said:

phunkdaddy said:



I never thought of Jam and Lewis as innovators of NJS. I felt they were always Minneapolis R&B until they adapted to it in 1989 on Janet's Rhythm Nation album.

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"[...] Jam & Lewis produced Janet Jackson's digital R&B album, Control (1986). Musicologist Richard J. Ripani PhD, author of The New Blue Music: Changes in Rhythm & Blues, 1950–1999 (2006), observed that the album was one of the first successful records to influence the rise of new jack swing by creating a fusion of R&B, rap, funk, disco and synthesized percussion.[8] The new jack swing sound is particularly evident in the second single, "Nasty".[9] The success of Control, according to Ripani, bridged the gap between R&B and rap music.[8] He asserts that "since Jackson's album was released in 1986 and was hugely successful, it is not unreasonable to assume that it had at least some impact on the new jack swing creations of Teddy Riley."[8]"
(Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.or...ack_swing)



Richard J Ripani doesnt know wtf he's talking about...Jimmy & Terry aint new jack swing...period
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What song Billy Ocean did with a rapper? eek

He did a song with The Fresh Prince & a female rapper named Mimi called I Sleep Much Better. Here's the music video.

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