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Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

Dolly Parton

Duran Duran

Pat Benetar

Eurythmics

Lionel Richie

Eminem

Carly Simon



Good batch this year. I hope the ceremony is just as interesting.

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Dolly Parton was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame on Wednesday despite the country music icon’s last-minute plea to "respectfully bow out."

The 2022 class includes Eminem, who was inducted in his first year of eligibility, as well as Duran Duran, Pat Benatar, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon and Eurythmics.

Benatar, 69, has been eligible for induction since 2004 but didn’t receive her first nomination until 2020. As for Simon, 76, she’s been eligible since 1997.

In addition to the performer category, Judas Priest will receive the Musical Excellence Award alongside Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis. Harry Belafonte and Elizabeth Cotton will receive the Early Influence Award.

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Reply #1 posted 05/04/22 4:50pm

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yay for Pat Benatar!
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Reply #2 posted 05/05/22 6:26am

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Well the good thing is that most of these acts still tour and put out new music too, so expect top notch performances from Duran Duran as they are on top of their game in both areas. Pat still tours alot and sounds great, it will be interesting to see the Eurythmics because a few years back they did a "sting" concert or event and stole the show, so I hope they at least play, I think they will. I hate when we get these bands in and by the time they do band members are either deceased or not talking and cant work it out for one night to play a few songs. But seeing Duran Eurythmics Lionel and Pat get in gives me hope that others that have been overlooked from that most joked about era "the 80's" and most shunned by these writers that vote, hopefully this is coming FULL CIRCLE and we get some people in.

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Reply #3 posted 05/05/22 8:54am

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I wonder if Harry Belafonte is the oldest person (living) to get in. He's 95 now.

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SolaceAHA said:

Well the good thing is that most of these acts still tour and put out new music too, so expect top notch performances from Duran Duran as they are on top of their game in both areas.

Pat still tours alot and sounds great.

It will be interesting to see the Eurythmics because a few years back they did a "sting" concert or event and stole the show, so I hope they at least play, I think they will.

I hate when we get these bands in and by the time they do band members are either deceased or not talking and can't work it out for one night to play a few songs.

But seeing Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Lionel Richie, and Pat Benetar get in gives me hope that others that have been overlooked from that most joked about era "the 80's;" and most shunned by these writers that vote.

Hopefully this is coming FULL CIRCLE and we get some people in.


Duran Duran is 3 or 4 of their originals, so I'm curious to see if Andy Taylor makes an appearance to play. He's the moody one. And they're obvious inducting that version of Duran Duran, the original five.

I didn't think Eurythmics played together anymore. They sorta put out that one last album and that's been it - that I've heard. I don't thinkt they put out fresh music at this point. That Sting show was a benefit in 2019, and it was five years before that when they played (again, for a one-off). But, it's likely they'll play this time. They aren't at odd, just not doing much Eurthymics-centric stuff anymore. We could use a new Annie CD sometime - any ol' time.

The last new albums by any of these guys were:

Dolly Parton - 2022 (Run Rose Run)

Duran Duran - 2021 (Future Past)

Pat Benetar - 2003 (Go)

Eurythmics - 1999 (Peace)

Lionel Richie - 2012 (Tuskegee)

Eminem - 2020 (Music To Be Murdered By)

Carly Simon - 2009 (Never Been Gone)

So a few more recent, but most much longer ago.


People joke about the 80s in fashion, etc, but not music. I don't buy that as truth, at all. The 80s is still one of the most revolutionary and innovative periods in music, I believe. RnRHOF understands that. Acts like Hall & Oates are already in there. It's hard to list acts like Janet, MJ, or Prince because while the 80s were arguably some of their biggest successes, their career often preceded or went well past the 80s. Same with folks like Bruce Springsteen.

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Reply #5 posted 05/06/22 4:26am

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TrivialPursuit said:

SolaceAHA said:

Well the good thing is that most of these acts still tour and put out new music too, so expect top notch performances from Duran Duran as they are on top of their game in both areas.

Pat still tours alot and sounds great.

It will be interesting to see the Eurythmics because a few years back they did a "sting" concert or event and stole the show, so I hope they at least play, I think they will.

I hate when we get these bands in and by the time they do band members are either deceased or not talking and can't work it out for one night to play a few songs.

But seeing Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Lionel Richie, and Pat Benetar get in gives me hope that others that have been overlooked from that most joked about era "the 80's;" and most shunned by these writers that vote.

Hopefully this is coming FULL CIRCLE and we get some people in.


Duran Duran is 3 or 4 of their originals, so I'm curious to see if Andy Taylor makes an appearance to play. He's the moody one. And they're obvious inducting that version of Duran Duran, the original five.

I didn't think Eurythmics played together anymore. They sorta put out that one last album and that's been it - that I've heard. I don't thinkt they put out fresh music at this point. That Sting show was a benefit in 2019, and it was five years before that when they played (again, for a one-off). But, it's likely they'll play this time. They aren't at odd, just not doing much Eurthymics-centric stuff anymore. We could use a new Annie CD sometime - any ol' time.

The last new albums by any of these guys were:

Dolly Parton - 2022 (Run Rose Run)

Duran Duran - 2021 (Future Past)

Pat Benetar - 2003 (Go)

Eurythmics - 1999 (Peace)

Lionel Richie - 2012 (Tuskegee)

Eminem - 2020 (Music To Be Murdered By)

Carly Simon - 2009 (Never Been Gone)

So a few more recent, but most much longer ago.


People joke about the 80s in fashion, etc, but not music. I don't buy that as truth, at all. The 80s is still one of the most revolutionary and innovative periods in music, I believe. RnRHOF understands that. Acts like Hall & Oates are already in there. It's hard to list acts like Janet, MJ, or Prince because while the 80s were arguably some of their biggest successes, their career often preceded or went well past the 80s. Same with folks like Bruce Springsteen.

I don't doubt the Eurythmics will play because they do these one off things, for sting and some other things in the past. But I do believe any idea of reuniting longer than a one off special moment is not going to happen. The thing is with ALL of these artists the RNR Hall of Fame could have one of their best shows yet where all would easily have no issues performing. With Duran Duran I dont know if you will see Andy Taylor there, listening to Nick Rhodes talk in a documentary clearly showed that Nick and Andy did not get along mainly because of the sound of the band, as DD went on they really were not into "solos" and things that Andy wanted to do, this is why Power Station project happened but even when they reunited as the original band of five for the "Astronaut" Album Andy wasnt thrilled with it, and then when they did Red Carpet Massacre Andy really got fed up and left and I believe that was the last time anyone has spoken or seen him. I can argue that Warren Cuccurullo who was in the band from 1986 through 2002 and didnt really "leave" it was an agreement that they were going to go back to the originals and Warren said "thats cool its your band" and it was a amicable split. Also Warren was the one who really saved DD with "Ordinary World" which to me is one of their best songs, and to play that at RNRHOF which i doubt they wont, but to not have the guy who wrote the music, and was responsible for the chords, of course Simon did the lyrics but the music was just as important. As for the 80's the problem that "writers" and "Voters" have with that era exists, especially with any 70's act that changed (HEART and CHICAGO) in that decade, they were HELD out of the voting for years, though both are in, Chicago one of the best bands of the 70's was about 15 years overdue to even be on a ballot and it was because of the "ballads" the same is true of HEART how that voice of Ann Wilson and all that success in the 70's was not in before other female singers is crazy. There was also a lot of issues with keeping Bon Jovi out, they were on the ballot, missed the votes then dropped off the ballot (makes no sense) then really because of fans writing and creating a storm they were back on and finally got in, and that was all about them being hated by all writers in the 80's. Hall And Oates it took a long time to get them on the ballot too, Daryl was not very "blown away" by getting in to say the least, I think he was a bit put off that it seemed to be a game with the Hall of Fame.

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Reply #6 posted 05/08/22 1:37pm

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I love Carly Simon so it’s great that she is being inducted.Eurythmics certainly deserve it,too.
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Reply #7 posted 05/15/22 6:56am

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I love Carly Simon so it’s great that she is being inducted.Eurythmics certainly deserve it,too.

Yeah I agree I actually thought Carly was in already for some reason. I dont really have an issue with any going in this year though I am sure many will have an issue with Eminem and at this point if all genres are getting in then how can you really not consider him. For Duran Duran they should have gotten in first time but they did not, my argument is that they are the pioneers of Music Video and not for MTV and video alot of the artists in there that were out the same time as DD wouldnt be in or their benefits from video surely helped them out, Madonna Prince MJ etc..Regardless of who made the first ever music video, DD made it an art form and broke it wide open even before MTV existed. DD also confirmed that ex original member Andy Taylor who really does not speak much to the band is going to be in attendance is as Warren Cuccurullo who was in the band from 1987-2002 and was part of DD's comeback with Ordinary World and Come Undone. Not sure if Warren will be inducted, since he is not an original, but he should be. Of course as always the HOF does that WTF moment thing every year and this year it was the Judas Priest going in with an award set up for "side men" this is how the E street band got in also this year Jam and Lewis are going in on this but who is JP "side men" for? a year or two ago, LL cool J got this same award? Its a bizarre thing, many feel that the HOF did this to get Judas priest fans off thier backs and just "grandfathered them in"

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Reply #8 posted 05/16/22 8:27am

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Critics hate Benatar.

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Critics hate Benatar.



Well, she’s not my favorite artist on this list but nonetheless, I’m very happy she’s finally in. biggrin
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She deserved to be in long before Stevie Nicks who never should have gotten in for her solo career at all. She just happened to be part of a rock band but her solo work is very hit and miss mostly miss

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SolaceAHA said:

She deserved to be in long before Stevie Nicks who never should have gotten in for her solo career at all. She just happened to be part of a rock band but her solo work is very hit and miss mostly miss


I mean, a lot of folks do start in bands. She'd had her share of success whether it's top 10 and top 20 hits, and some #1s, or whatever. To think Nicks wouldn't be in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame as a solo act is almost appalling.

And I'm not even a huge fan of her voice, but I can recognize her appeal and talent.

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SolaceAHA said:

She deserved to be in long before Stevie Nicks who never should have gotten in for her solo career at all. She just happened to be part of a rock band but her solo work is very hit and miss mostly miss


I mean, a lot of folks do start in bands. She'd had her share of success whether it's top 10 and top 20 hits, and some #1s, or whatever. To think Nicks wouldn't be in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame as a solo act is almost appalling.

And I'm not even a huge fan of her voice, but I can recognize her appeal and talent.

Then why is Sting not even in or on the ballot ever as a solo artist, his solo chart success clearly blows her away. I mean she charted 14 singles, her most notbale hit "Stand Back" was a collaboration with Prince, her biggest chart success was with Tom Petty and then another with Don Henley, Don Henley another artist who should be in solo long before Stevie. It's not even about her talent or even appeal which built off of her band work with Fleetwood Mac. I would argue STING goes in long before because his solo work sounds nothing like anything the Police would have done at least 99% of it. Both Sting and Don Henley have tons of songs that get more play now than they did then, "The Boys Of Summer" alone by Don I say is a Hall Of Fame worthy entry. Henley obvioulsy did less work solo because of the Eagles reuniting but his first 3 albums combined sold 10 million. For Sting he has won 17 grammy awards solo and recorded 16 solo albums a few being classical/musicals so I cant even think of Stevie Nicks outside of Fleetwood Mac having enough musical and chart impact to push her in solo.

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Tora said:

2freaky said:

Critics hate Benatar.

Well, she’s not my favorite artist on this list but nonetheless, I’m very happy she’s finally in. biggrin

It's long overdue.Pat Benatar truly deserves to be in.She's an 80s rock queen smile

you're a real tough cookie with a long history

of breaking little hearts like the one in me

before I put another notch in my lipstick case

you better make sure you put me in my place!

I love that lyric and how she sings it lol

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SolaceAHA said:

Then why is Sting not even in or on the ballot ever as a solo artist, his solo chart success clearly blows her away.


Why are ou asking me questions I'm unqualified to answer? If you're a Sting stan, you should write the HoF. Maybe try to DM Jimmy Jam or something.

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SolaceAHA said:

Then why is Sting not even in or on the ballot ever as a solo artist, his solo chart success clearly blows her away. I mean she charted 14 singles, her most notbale hit "Stand Back" was a collaboration with Prince, her biggest chart success was with Tom Petty and then another with Don Henley, Don Henley another artist who should be in solo long before Stevie. It's not even about her talent or even appeal which built off of her band work with Fleetwood Mac. I would argue STING goes in long before because his solo work sounds nothing like anything the Police would have done at least 99% of it. Both Sting and Don Henley have tons of songs that get more play now than they did then, "The Boys Of Summer" alone by Don I say is a Hall Of Fame worthy entry. Henley obvioulsy did less work solo because of the Eagles reuniting but his first 3 albums combined sold 10 million. For Sting he has won 17 grammy awards solo and recorded 16 solo albums a few being classical/musicals so I cant even think of Stevie Nicks outside of Fleetwood Mac having enough musical and chart impact to push her in solo.

I'm not sure chart hits or record sales is really a criteria, but mainly whoever Jann Wenner and/or the other voters like. Billy Ocean has more hits than Percy Sledge, but Percy is in and Billy is not. Although Percy is not really a "one hit wonder", he's mostly known for one song. If it was just about popularity, then Barry Manilow, Michael Bolton, Celine Dion, Barbra Striesand, New Kids On The Block, Ace Of Base, Miami Sound Machine/Gloria Estefan, John Denver, The Carpenters, Kenny G, Bread, Supertramp, The Monkees, America, Herman's Hermits, Boston, George Benson, Styx, etc. would be inducted. Even Pat Boone was popular in his day.

MC Hammer, Tone Loc, Salt N Pepa, and DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince sold more than Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5. Garth Brooks sold more than Dolly Parton. Dolly was never really a huge album seller like Garth or even Kenny Rogers, but she had a lot of country radio hits. Even there, George Strait got her beat and Dolly was around long before George came out. George Strait has more Top 10 hits on the country singles chart than anyone else has on any other chart, and the majority of his records are pre-internet. So it's not like Drake's streaming hits, people bought George's 45s. razz Garth Brooks also sold more than other acts from his era that are inducted such as Tupac, Green Day, N.W.A., Eminem, Notorious B.I.G., Nirvana, etc.

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It is sorta weird that the Police are in the HOF but Sting isn't.

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TrivialPursuit said:

SolaceAHA said:

Then why is Sting not even in or on the ballot ever as a solo artist, his solo chart success clearly blows her away.


Why are ou asking me questions I'm unqualified to answer? If you're a Sting stan, you should write the HoF. Maybe try to DM Jimmy Jam or something.

Its not about being a fan of his, its just measuring contributions as solo acts, and his is way beyond hers. I get it shes respected for her band but solo she has not been that big, and even if we take out sales critically her albums are not much just very spotty.

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SolaceAHA said:

Then why is Sting not even in or on the ballot ever as a solo artist, his solo chart success clearly blows her away. I mean she charted 14 singles, her most notbale hit "Stand Back" was a collaboration with Prince, her biggest chart success was with Tom Petty and then another with Don Henley, Don Henley another artist who should be in solo long before Stevie. It's not even about her talent or even appeal which built off of her band work with Fleetwood Mac. I would argue STING goes in long before because his solo work sounds nothing like anything the Police would have done at least 99% of it. Both Sting and Don Henley have tons of songs that get more play now than they did then, "The Boys Of Summer" alone by Don I say is a Hall Of Fame worthy entry. Henley obvioulsy did less work solo because of the Eagles reuniting but his first 3 albums combined sold 10 million. For Sting he has won 17 grammy awards solo and recorded 16 solo albums a few being classical/musicals so I cant even think of Stevie Nicks outside of Fleetwood Mac having enough musical and chart impact to push her in solo.

I'm not sure chart hits or record sales is really a criteria, but mainly whoever Jann Wenner and/or the other voters like. Billy Ocean has more hits than Percy Sledge, but Percy is in and Billy is not. Although Percy is not really a "one hit wonder", he's mostly known for one song. If it was just about popularity, then Barry Manilow, Michael Bolton, Celine Dion, Barbra Striesand, New Kids On The Block, Ace Of Base, Miami Sound Machine/Gloria Estefan, John Denver, The Carpenters, Kenny G, Bread, Supertramp, The Monkees, America, Herman's Hermits, Boston, George Benson, Styx, etc. would be inducted. Even Pat Boone was popular in his day.

MC Hammer, Tone Loc, Salt N Pepa, and DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince sold more than Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5. Garth Brooks sold more than Dolly Parton. Dolly was never really a huge album seller like Garth or even Kenny Rogers, but she had a lot of country radio hits. Even there, George Strait got her beat and Dolly was around long before George came out. George Strait has more Top 10 hits on the country singles chart than anyone else has on any other chart, and the majority of his records are pre-internet. So it's not like Drake's streaming hits, people bought George's 45s. razz Garth Brooks also sold more than other acts from his era that are inducted such as Tupac, Green Day, N.W.A., Eminem, Notorious B.I.G., Nirvana, etc.

The argument of sales not mattering is not good anymore with the HOF. Because that is always their fallback argument, to suddenly pull out criteria of how artists get in. This years biggest BS from them is the Judas Priest "sideman" entry. they are not sideman, this was an award given to bands and players that worked as musicians on various works or backed a hall of fame artist, this is how Springsteen's E STREET band got in, and why the award was started. But a year or two ago, its how LL COOL J got in? He's not a side man either, what the hell is the difference between LL and Notorious BIG and Eminem. The Hall is very flawed of course, I mean Duran Duran is getting in this year because they were the pioneers of video, and the Hall looked at that, and said "If Madonna, Prince and others all got in who benefited HUGELY from video, why arent the guys who made video an art form in?" thats why DD is going in, not for their immense popularity of their time and I would argue their fan craze during those few years from 82-85 rivaled what the Beatles had, and every label then wanted to sign or create the next DD.

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SolaceAHA said:

I mean Duran Duran is getting in this year because they were the pioneers of video, and the Hall looked at that, and said "If Madonna, Prince and others all got in who benefited HUGELY from video, why arent the guys who made video an art form in?" thats why DD is going in, not for their immense popularity of their time and I would argue their fan craze during those few years from 82-85 rivaled what the Beatles had, and every label then wanted to sign or create the next DD.

Duran Duran never had any blockbuster selling albums like Boston. So if its really a Hall Of Fame, then Boston surely qualifies. lol Boston is actually a "rock n roll" band too. razz Also without Michael Nesmith, there literally wouldn't be a MTV, because Warner Brothers bought Pop Clips from him. And Nez made the longform music video Elephant Parts and it won a Grammy. Technically you could say The Monkees TV show had music videos. The sitcom won 2 Emmy Awards in the 1960s

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SolaceAHA said:

I mean Duran Duran is getting in this year because they were the pioneers of video, and the Hall looked at that, and said "If Madonna, Prince and others all got in who benefited HUGELY from video, why arent the guys who made video an art form in?" thats why DD is going in, not for their immense popularity of their time and I would argue their fan craze during those few years from 82-85 rivaled what the Beatles had, and every label then wanted to sign or create the next DD.

Duran Duran never had any blockbuster selling albums like Boston. So if its really a Hall Of Fame, then Boston surely qualifies. lol Boston is actually a "rock n roll" band too. razz Also without Michael Nesmith, there literally wouldn't be a MTV, because Warner Brothers bought Pop Clips from him. And Nez made the longform music video Elephant Parts and it won a Grammy. Technically you could say The Monkees TV show had music videos. The sitcom won 2 Emmy Awards in the 1960s


I have no problem with Boston going in they should be in there, as should Styx who were one of only three artists to have four straight multi platinum albums. Also Foriegner should be in there easily, for the same reasons. I am not saying duran invented video or made the first one, I am saying that while in England they were getting tons of play in clubs and In these clubs were giant screens and all they were showing on them were shapes and images and designs, Nick Rhodes said why can't we have films for what the song is going on here? And that is where it began not even with MTV they just rode the wave. This is also where the long form video came from, sorry I know Beyoncé swears she did the first video album but she's very wrong, they were done before, the Band Berlin had one, Sheena Easton did, and others. A lot of Hall of fame acts didn't have big selling albums, but DD "Rio" is regarded as one of the best of the 80's and of that new wave movement, and clearly those after them owe it to them.and overall in the states Rio is near 2.5 million sold, Duran was never an album artist though they have some great ones they were always a strong singles band in that era.

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SolaceAHA said:

A lot of Hall of fame acts didn't have big selling albums, but DD "Rio" is regarded as one of the best of the 80's and of that new wave movement, and clearly those after them owe it to them.and overall in the states Rio is near 2.5 million sold, Duran was never an album artist though they have some great ones they were always a strong singles band in that era.

But you were the one saying Sting should be in over Stevie Nicks because he had more hits. So I replied that hits and sales is not really the criteria for voters or else they would just induct Vanilla Ice or Yanni. Ice's debut album sold close to 10 million in the USA. Nirvana & Sex Pistols have very little material and they're inducted, but Mariah Carey has more hits than both bands. Johhny Rotten sent a note putting down the Hall, but were inducted anyway. There's influence. I would think Sister Rosetta Tharpe is more important to rock n roll than New Kids On The Block, even though she had nowhere near the same success as NKOTB and she is not a household name. All 4 Beatles are in as solo acts, and other than his first 2 or 3 albums, not many people were checking for Ringo Starr music. Depending on a person's age, they might know him more as Mr. Conductor than as a singer. Ringo did resurrect his music career with the All Starr tours though, but with that there's other performers with him that draw different audiences. Eric Clapton is inducted 3 times. But Eric fits the "blues rock" that Wenner prefers.

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SolaceAHA said:

A lot of Hall of fame acts didn't have big selling albums, but DD "Rio" is regarded as one of the best of the 80's and of that new wave movement, and clearly those after them owe it to them.and overall in the states Rio is near 2.5 million sold, Duran was never an album artist though they have some great ones they were always a strong singles band in that era.

But you were the one saying Sting should be in over Stevie Nicks because he had more hits. So I replied that hits and sales is not really the criteria for voters or else they would just induct Vanilla Ice or Yanni. Ice's debut album sold close to 10 million in the USA. Nirvana & Sex Pistols have very little material and they're inducted, but Mariah Carey has more hits than both bands. Johhny Rotten sent a note putting down the Hall, but were inducted anyway. There's influence. I would think Sister Rosetta Tharpe is more important to rock n roll than New Kids On The Block, even though she had nowhere near the same success as NKOTB and she is not a household name. All 4 Beatles are in as solo acts, and other than his first 2 or 3 albums, not many people were checking for Ringo Starr music. Depending on a person's age, they might know him more as Mr. Conductor than as a singer. Ringo did resurrect his music career with the All Starr tours though, but with that there's other performers with him that draw different audiences. Eric Clapton is inducted 3 times. But Eric fits the "blues rock" that Wenner prefers.

But sting is more a musician and influential and has a catalog beyond hits, he has had a lot of work that has not sold but been huge critical success with these so called critics. I'm saying Stevie should not been based on criteria and hits whatever you look at it, she's got a lot of bias on the committee this is fact, and this is also why some took ages to get considered. Personally I don't think nirvana should be in and definitely not before soundgarden who still are not in but we're the first of the grunge era, nirvana is in for its fame and kurts death, sorry but if he lives they probably get in after Pearl Jam. Ringo actually is in as a sideman not for his musical solo work that bogus award that LL and Judas Priest got it's a BS award.

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Reply #23 posted 05/21/22 6:29pm

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SolaceAHA said:

But sting is more a musician and influential and has a catalog beyond hits, he has had a lot of work that has not sold but been huge critical success with these so called critics. I'm saying Stevie should not been based on criteria and hits whatever you look at it, she's got a lot of bias on the committee this is fact, and this is also why some took ages to get considered. Personally I don't think nirvana should be in and definitely not before soundgarden who still are not in but we're the first of the grunge era, nirvana is in for its fame and kurts death, sorry but if he lives they probably get in after Pearl Jam. Ringo actually is in as a sideman not for his musical solo work that bogus award that LL and Judas Priest got it's a BS award.

It's a crime Soundgarden and Alice in Chains aren't in....Cornell and Staley were two of rock's greatest vocalists.

What a joke.

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Reply #24 posted 05/25/22 7:55am

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Speaking of Eminem, he's on the soundtrack for the upcoming Elvis movie. I'm not sure how he and most of the others like Doja Cat are related to Elvis. Hip hop was still underground in NYC when Elvis was alive. Rapper's Delight came out around 2 years after Elvis passed. Rufus Thomas is the only act here that was around when Elvis career started. I wonder if the Elvis songs are going to be remixed into current sounds (going by the artists here).


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Reply #25 posted 05/25/22 4:28pm

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Well the director made a movie about the Moulin Rouge in late 1800s Paris and included songs from late 1900s America and England. So anything goes.
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Reply #26 posted 05/26/22 10:24am

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PJMcGee said:

Well the director made a movie about the Moulin Rouge in late 1800s Paris and included songs from late 1900s America and England. So anything goes.

I've never seen that, but isn't that a fictional movie? If so I don't think it makes as much of a difference there. That's more like Romeo & Juliet in a modern setting or a movie about Abraham Lincoln hunting vampires. But this is supposed to be a biopic. If the artists are doing period style songs (or arrangements like Postmodern Jukebox), that's one thing. But the Doja Cat song is in the trailer and it sounds like a current song, not like anything from the 1950s, 1960s, or 1970s.


You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #27 posted 05/26/22 10:48am

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I think the goal is to bring Elvis into this mainstream now or update him. I mean for his huge popularity he does not really transcend the decades, I still hear new artists today site the Beatles as an influence I have almost never heard that about Elvis at least not in awhile, I think is for a few reasons, his persona was made so iconic it overshadowed him, also he had big songs for sure but he was not a big album artist nor did he really seem to branch out like a Beatles and stones, Aretha and Marvin and Stevie, prince etc...

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Reply #28 posted 05/26/22 12:08pm

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SolaceAHA said:

I think is for a few reasons, his persona was made so iconic it overshadowed him, also he had big songs for sure but he was not a big album artist nor did he really seem to branch out like a Beatles and stones, Aretha and Marvin and Stevie, prince etc...

The difference in Elvis and those other artists is that Elvis couldn't do anything without Colonel Parker approving it. Elvis usually couldn't record songs unless the songwriter accepted Parker's 50% publishing deal. Dolly Parton refused and Jerry Reed got around it. Most of the movies were Parker's idea to make quick money and so was performing in Vegas. Because the Colonel liked to gamble. Elvis wanted to be taken seriously as an actor, but Parker would turn down those kinds of movies.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #29 posted 05/27/22 5:57am

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SolaceAHA said:

I think is for a few reasons, his persona was made so iconic it overshadowed him, also he had big songs for sure but he was not a big album artist nor did he really seem to branch out like a Beatles and stones, Aretha and Marvin and Stevie, prince etc...

The difference in Elvis and those other artists is that Elvis couldn't do anything without Colonel Parker approving it. Elvis usually couldn't record songs unless the songwriter accepted Parker's 50% publishing deal. Dolly Parton refused and Jerry Reed got around it. Most of the movies were Parker's idea to make quick money and so was performing in Vegas. Because the Colonel liked to gamble. Elvis wanted to be taken seriously as an actor, but Parker would turn down those kinds of movies.

Well even Ringo Starr said in an interview how when he met Elvis at one point in his Vegas era he said "It was so sad" at one he become, just the whole image, the jump suit ettc.. it was someone trying to recapture that moment again when he was the hearthrob teen idol etc...I think also any that have a teen idol type following early fall into this trap or they totally go another route and try to shake loss that image, Beatles and others did this, Elvis was still hanging on. Oddly I think of Elvis was to The Beatles as to what MJ was to Prince.

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