phunkdaddy said:

When you see producers like Isaac Hayes out here today composing 12 minute plus masterpieces

His songs are 12 minutes because he talks for 10 of them.

funny that you guys mention Isaac Hayes.I just ordered an Isaac Hayes box set ('The Spirit of Memphis') that came out a few years ago

uPtoWnNY said:

Today's "music" isn't worth talking about.

Well, that's entirely untrue, isn't it? No one is dissing Silk Sonic's project, which won Record of the Year, which is a production award. They also won Song of the Year.

Jon Batiste's album We Are won Album of the Year, and is wonderful. The dude was nominated in multiple categories, for different projects, totalling 11 nominations. That's an amazing spread.

The Doja Cat & SZA song is a bop (won Best Pop song).

Tony Bennett, Coldplay, Nora Jones, Ledisi, Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Abba, H.E.R., AC/DC, Foo Fighters, Chris Cornell (for a Prince cover), Paul McCartney, Chris Stapleton, Kacey Musgraves, Carrie Underwood, Miranda Lambert, Chick Corea, Pat Metheny, Harry Connick Jr., and others were all nominated. Did I miss where these people don't make "music?"

While I do think honoring good work is deserved and necessary, I also believe a lot of good music gets overlooked, ignored, or goes unnoticed. Promotion departments certainly do their job. But then again, when did anyone think Jon Batiste was going to get 11 nominations???? That's amazing.

In general, award shows aren't as popular. Does anyone remember, purely from memory, the last time the People's Choice or Billboard Awards happened? Does the NAACP Image Awards or regular awards still happen? Maybe they do. What about the hip-hop awards?

I think people don't necessarily enjoy, much anymore, the idea of rich people patting themselves on the back. And despite the Oscars being an overly positive experience with history being made people probably wouldn't have talked about it much past the first week had it not been for That Moment™.

It seems the EGOT are the only ones that anyone halfway pays attention to anymore. Does anyone care about Golden Globes, American Music Awards? Maybe they don't care about EGOT. I can't imagine ratings are going up every year. Even the MTV VMAs are so over-scripted, and proper. The ratings for the Grammys are 1/5 of what they were 15 years ago. The Oscars were up for the first time in two years, but still down as much from just two years ago. In a six-year period, their ratings dropped by just shy of half. That was recent, too.

I knew I'd out grown them when I simply forgot about either of them in the past two years.

I do watch the Tonys. It's a gay high holy day.

TrivialPursuit said:

While I do think honoring good work is deserved and necessary, I also believe a lot of good music gets overlooked, ignored, or goes unnoticed. Promotion departments certainly do their job. But then again, when did anyone think Jon Batiste was going to get 11 nominations???? That's amazing.

In general, award shows aren't as popular. Does anyone remember, purely from memory, the last time the People's Choice or Billboard Awards happened? Does the NAACP Image Awards or regular awards still happen? Maybe they do. What about the hip-hop awards?

I think people don't necessarily enjoy, much anymore, the idea of rich people patting themselves on the back. And despite the Oscars being an overly positive experience with history being made people probably wouldn't have talked about it much past the first week had it not been for That Moment™.

It seems the EGOT are the only ones that anyone halfway pays attention to anymore. Does anyone care about Golden Globes, American Music Awards? Maybe they don't care about EGOT. I can't imagine ratings are going up every year. Even the MTV VMAs are so over-scripted, and proper. The ratings for the Grammys are 1/5 of what they were 15 years ago. The Oscars were up for the first time in two years, but still down as much from just two years ago. In a six-year period, their ratings dropped by just shy of half. That was recent, too.

I knew I'd out grown them when I simply forgot about either of them in the past two years.

I do watch the Tonys. It's a gay high holy day.

The good thing about the Tony's is that it's so niche and never was a huge thing.

I'm sure I'm the only one I know that watches.

As for awards shows the problem is is that there's just way too many choices nowadays.

Why watch when Netflix has hundreds of crummy shows that you haven't seen before.

Or a youtube video or a video game that you're working your way through?

Do people even go to the movies anymore if it's not Batman or Spiderman?

I know I rarely go only because I fall asleep most times, so why waste my money.

Plus it'll be on TV in about 45 days.

And Lin Manuel Miranda should've gotten that EGOT this year!

CynicKill said:

Too bad it was actually a good show this year.

And Taylor didn't get that 4th AOTY grammy!

Thank you John Baptist!

I love, love, love John Baptiste, and his song Freedom

PJMcGee said:

Hawkins was lucky to get what he did. He was a drummer for chrissakes. He was only so prominent because his death was so recent. Like, imagine if Pearl Jam's drummer had died. Springsteen's (who had some success independent of Bruce). U2's. Bon Jovi's. They were not household names. I thought BTS sang. The worst offender was Lil Nas, whose vocals were often heard when he wasn't singing or when his mic was nowhere near his mouth. His performance was a triumph of his wardrobe department.

Taylor Hawkins is a HUGE loss, many, many people are well aware of who he is and was. You saying he was 'just' a drummer is like us saying that Prince is 'just' a singer.

SoulAlive said:

exactly.When you have grown up listening to truly amazing artists and bands,it's hard to just "accept" the crap that's out there now.

That's what my parents used to tell me when I was listening to Prince & MJ, Madonna, George Michael, Wham....etc.etc.etc.

CynicKill said:

And Lin Manuel Miranda should've gotten that EGOT this year!

I hated the music from Encanto. The songs were just sorta...there. They didn't fit nor should it have been a musical. It was just left over Hamilton melodies, it felt like. The other side of that is that I do hope he becomes an EGOT at some point.

PennyPurple said:

MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

funny that you guys mention Isaac Hayes.I just ordered an Isaac Hayes box set ('The Spirit of Memphis') that came out a few years ago

That should be a good set. I've been on a bit of an Isaac kick too lately.

I'm excited about it.There is a rare version of "Do Your Thing" that is 33 minutes long! And an extended jam of "Groove-A-Thon" that clocks in at 18:50.Gonna have alot of fun with this set.Lots of rarities and extended versions,in addition to all of the well-known hits.

PJMcGee said:

Like, imagine if Pearl Jam's drummer had died. Springsteen's (who had some success independent of Bruce). U2's. Bon Jovi's. They were not household names.

People knew Taylor Hawkins. He came out from behind the drums and sang at most shows. People certainly knew who he was, by name.

Bruce Springsteen's drummer, Max Weinberg, had certainly more than "some success" independent of Bruce.

U2's drummer is Larry Mullin, Jr., and he's a household name. He co-wrote a theme for Mission: Impossible for fuck's sake. It was a top 10 hit, and was nominated for a Grammy. So yeah - folks who pay attention to music know Mullin. He's also a stone cold fox.

Bon Jovi's drummer is Tico Torres. Known.

John Blackwell, Bobby Z., Cora Dunham, Hannah Welton, Michael B., all weren't household names either. But you know who they were. Why? Because you paid attention.

Point is: it's all relative to experience.

phunkdaddy said:

Ironically me and the wife ate breakfast Sunday morning and watched Truck Turner on one of those Pluto channels. That was a wild ass movie. All the actors were cursing up a storm and the nudity. Lol. I think I heard the word bitch used in that movie more than Menace To Society. We got a kick out the acting and the wah wah guitar in the background.

this scene from 'Truck Turner' is a must-see btw,this is the lady from 'Star Trek'!

Truck Turner scene Dorind... - YouTube

the entire film is excellent.

phunkdaddy said:

I've been listening to the Shaft soundtrack, Hot Buttered Soul,and Black Moses.

All 3 of those albums are classics.I'm getting ready to buy an upcoming vinyl reissue of Hot Buttered Soul.

TrivialPursuit said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Today's "music" isn't worth talking about.

Well, that's entirely untrue, isn't it? No one is dissing Silk Sonic's project, which won Record of the Year, which is a production award. They also won Song of the Year.

Jon Batiste's album We Are won Album of the Year, and is wonderful. The dude was nominated in multiple categories, for different projects, totalling 11 nominations. That's an amazing spread.

The Doja Cat & SZA song is a bop (won Best Pop song).

Tony Bennett, Coldplay, Nora Jones, Ledisi, Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Abba, H.E.R., AC/DC, Foo Fighters, Chris Cornell (for a Prince cover), Paul McCartney, Chris Stapleton, Kacey Musgraves, Carrie Underwood, Miranda Lambert, Chick Corea, Pat Metheny, Harry Connick Jr., and others were all nominated. Did I miss where these people don't make "music?"

Hear hear! uPtoWnNY's remark is derogative towards younger generations in my opinion. I really can't support that, it is just unfair to complete dismiss modern music.

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

Sure there are but it's rare and certainly not most mainstream.

When you see producers like Isaac Hayes out here today composing 12 minute plus masterpieces

please do share.

exactly.When you have grown up listening to truly amazing artists and bands,it's hard to just "accept" the crap that's out there now.

TrivialPursuit said:

phunkdaddy said:

LoL only a select few. Definitely When I Get To Phoenix and I Stand Accused. Walk On By and Do Your Thing are great 12 plus minute compositions minus the dialogue.

Bobby Womack was also known for talking during the beginning of songs, maybe Barry White too.

PJMcGee said:

You are correct in saying that Larry is a babe. I'd have his children if it were physically possible.

I mean....




I'd suck his soul through his dick.

Twice.

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

Ironically me and the wife ate breakfast Sunday morning and watched Truck Turner on one of those Pluto channels. That was a wild ass movie. All the actors were cursing up a storm and the nudity. Lol. I think I heard the word bitch used in that movie more than Menace To Society. We got a kick out the acting and the wah wah guitar in the background.

this scene from 'Truck Turner' is a must-see btw,this is the lady from 'Star Trek'!

Truck Turner scene Dorind... - YouTube

the entire film is excellent.

Now that's what I call PIMPIN'!! I wish she would have talked to Kirk & Spock like that. Nichelle killed that role!

Female Pimpin, Nichelle N... - YouTube

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funkaholic1972 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Today's "music" isn't worth talking about.

Old fart alert...

Damn right and proud of it.

Listened to a lot of today's modern "music". Doesn't move me like the music I listened to growing up during the 60s/70s.

Silk Sonic, Doja Cat.....

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uPtoWnNY said:

funkaholic1972 said:

Old fart alert...

Damn right and proud of it.

Listened to a lot of today's modern "music". Doesn't move me like the music I listened to growing up during the 60s/70s.

Silk Sonic, Doja Cat.....

I know what you mean last week,I was listening to Stevie Wonder's Songs In The Key Of Life,which is one of the greatest albums EVER.You don't hear music like that nowadays.Most of today's artists don't even try.

funkaholic1972 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Well, that's entirely untrue, isn't it? No one is dissing Silk Sonic's project, which won Record of the Year, which is a production award. They also won Song of the Year.

Jon Batiste's album We Are won Album of the Year, and is wonderful. The dude was nominated in multiple categories, for different projects, totalling 11 nominations. That's an amazing spread.

The Doja Cat & SZA song is a bop (won Best Pop song).

Tony Bennett, Coldplay, Nora Jones, Ledisi, Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Abba, H.E.R., AC/DC, Foo Fighters, Chris Cornell (for a Prince cover), Paul McCartney, Chris Stapleton, Kacey Musgraves, Carrie Underwood, Miranda Lambert, Chick Corea, Pat Metheny, Harry Connick Jr., and others were all nominated. Did I miss where these people don't make "music?"

Hear hear! uPtoWnNY's remark is derogative towards younger generations in my opinion. I really can't support that, it is just unfair to complete dismiss modern music.

When todays generation becomes old farts (and they will ) they will be saying the same thing. They be saying "Today music sucks!!! We grew up on great music like Justin Bieber, BTS, Ariana Grande, Cardi B. and Doja Cat!!!!!!!!!! Now that was great music"

SoulAlive said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Damn right and proud of it.

Listened to a lot of today's modern "music". Doesn't move me like the music I listened to growing up during the 60s/70s.

Silk Sonic, Doja Cat.....

I know what you mean last week,I was listening to Stevie Wonder's Songs In The Key Of Life,which is one of the greatest albums EVER.You don't hear music like that nowadays.Most of today's artists don't even try.

Yep, "Songs" is one of the best ever, and it's not even Stevie's greatest. That honor goes to "Innervisions". 'Living for the City', 'Higher Ground', 'He's Misstra Know-it-All'....just as relevant today as it was back in 1973.

Stevie was in a serious zone during the 70s.

uPtoWnNY said:

SoulAlive said:

I know what you mean last week,I was listening to Stevie Wonder's Songs In The Key Of Life,which is one of the greatest albums EVER.You don't hear music like that nowadays.Most of today's artists don't even try.

Yep, "Songs" is one of the best ever, and it's not even Stevie's greatest. That honor goes to "Innervisions". 'Living for the City', 'Higher Ground', 'He's Misstra Know-it-All'....just as relevant today as it was back in 1973.

Stevie was in a serious zone during the 70s.

Exactly and there is NO artist out there today that comes close.Drake and Kanye ain't shit compared to Stevie

kpowers said:

funkaholic1972 said:

Hear hear! uPtoWnNY's remark is derogative towards younger generations in my opinion. I really can't support that, it is just unfair to complete dismiss modern music.

When todays generation becomes old farts (and they will ) they will be saying the same thing. They be saying "Today music sucks!!! We grew up on great music like Justin Bieber, BTS, Ariana Grande, Cardi B. and Doja Cat!!!!!!!!!! Now that was great music"

A few years ago, they were playing Cardi B at my cousin's Sweet 16 party. After 30 seconds, I had to step outside....I'm like, WTF is that shit????