One that immediately comes to mind is Craig David ... fantastic debut album, but after that, just m'eh.

SoulAlive said:

DaveT said:

EmmaMcG said:

DaveT said:

One that immediately comes to mind is Craig David ... fantastic debut album, but after that, just m'eh.

He blamed Bo Selecta on his downfall

I remember that at the time ... I don't think it helped his image (and I never found Keith Lemon that funny, but each to their own). Didn't explain why his music went down hill though so I think he was using that as an excuse.

To be fair, he seems really decent and humble when I see him interviewed, and the set he did at Glastonbury about three or four years ago was fantastic, so he's still got it.

I *love* Craig David, pure talent but can't put out a decent album. I consider him a singles artist, his last one with MNEK was delightful.

Alanis Morrisette

purplethunder3121 said:

Wolfie87 said:

I know that you're saying someone else interviewed him, but we're talking about VLAD TV here. Vlad who STILL says Prince was piggybacking from stage on Hulk Hogan back in 1983. He always gets his fucking information wrong. And DJ Quik hates him, that's reasons enough for me.

That doesn't really have anything to do with what Howard said about Jody. It doesn't matter what Vlad does or doesn't do, celebrities still continue to go on his show. At least it wasn't Vlad doing the interview. Sometimes the show is kinda good like the one with Fab from Milli Vanilli. At least with Vlad's show, the guest interviewers aren't drunk like N.O.R.E. on Drink Champs. Which is probably why Drink Champs interviews are sometimes 3 or 4 hours long. Faith Evans got really drunk herself during her interview

alphastreet said:

She had a music career in Canada before jagged little pill

Technically, so did Terence Trent D'Arby before his solo debut. He was in a band called The Touch, who released an album in 1984.

DaveT said:

MickyDolenz said:

alphastreet said:

She had a music career in Canada before jagged little pill

Technically, so did Terence Trent D'Arby before his solo debut. He was in a band called The Touch, who released an album in 1984.

And uh...which one is supposed to be Terrance in that pic?

Donald Fagen with "The Nightfly". Although his later albums were mostly enjoyable and featured some good music, he was not able to equal his debute album in sales or quality of the music.

TrivialPursuit said:

alphastreet said:

I would argue lady Gaga too, cause she didn’t sell more than fame monster afterwards

She's horrible. Lotta hype in the beginning. I never saw the appeal of "Poker Face." I'm like "Yes, please poke her face because she's annoying to look at."

It was always about her clothes, not her music. And when she did finally try to strip down and do music, it's still horrible. And I don't wanna hear about how Joanne was her best, or whatever. Artpop was hideous in every aspect. "Born This Way" was a blatant rip off of "Express Yourself," and the whole aesthetic around that time was lame. Everyone looked like egg yolks (yes i know, birth and rebirth blah blah), and a cash grab at the LGBTQ community. The choreography was even terrible for the video.

It's all her "career" has ever been - pandering to us gays. And frankly, I'm a little disappointed that so many of my people buy into it.

She's just so fucking affected. It's phony, self-indulgent, and frankly a little irresponsible.

The whole "oh, this is about fame. It's just so much." I'm thinking, "Bitch, you just got here."

And God, don't say anything about Lady Caca, because her little monsters are just that - monsters. They are just as fragile as the Bey-hive. Clutching the pearls and shit.

1. I don't necessarily like Poker Face either, but saying that you didn't see the appeal of the song is kind of irrelevant since millions of people obviously did, which is why it's among her best selling singles and one of the best singles songs of all time.

2. I don't completely understand your criticism of her costumes, because it's almost as if you're dsregarding her talent. I mean, even when she dressed outrageously she still showcased her vocal talent by singing acoustic renditions of her songs while playing the piano. And her talent was even more easily noticed once she started delving into jazz music and releasing ballads like Million Reasons, Shallow, and a couple others from the ASIB soundtrack that showcased her vocals more than her flashy pop melodies.

3. I won't defend the BTW/Express Yourself bit, but I do think it's a little sad that that's all that some people got out of that album era considering that Born This Way (the album) had some of her most creative and sincere songs like You and I and The Edge of Glory, and was generally a step in the right direction before the ARTPOP mess started.

4. Her entire shtick from the beginning was meant to be excessive and self-indulgent. Even her stage name and first album title implied that. It's no secret that that's the image she was going for at first, so it seems like a moot point to complain about her aesthetic, which at the time was meant to set her aside from other pop artists like Katy Perry and Britney Spears.

5. Notice that I didn't insult you nor demeaned your opinion despite you attacking her fanbase and calling her names.

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nayroo2002 said:

Fiona Apple, too.

Fiona Apple just went artsy fartsy underground. She's released a bunch of critically praised albums. Her last album is a beast. Really freakin' great, but not what "popular" music sounds like (or sounded like in 2020 when it was released). Really though, highly recommend 'Fetch the Bolt Cutters' for the adventerous listener.

alphastreet said:

Mya

Solid choice. Would never have thought of her... because I've forgotten her. But I did love her first album and everything after that was a little meh.

alphastreet said:

I would argue lady Gaga too, cause she didn’t sell more than fame monster afterwards

Nah, even her debut album is garbage. Sorry not sorry, she always came off as east coast performance art to me and my bullshit meter just wouldn't let me get into her schtick. Also, I mostly find her completely insufferable in interviews, worse now than ever.

bobgeorge77 said:

Noarah Jones! Loved the album and she got a lot of Grammies.

Yes!

MickyDolenz said:

George Michael

Ummm.... hm. Listen Without Prejudice Vol. 1 is a pretty spectacularly good album that didn't have nearly the success of Faith, but I'm not sure it isn't actually a better album. Idk, that's a tough one for me.

Man, I could reply to so many of the posts in this thread. But mostly I agree and can't really think of anyone to add.