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Thread started 01/15/22 3:57am

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Song: "Dirty Diana"(1987) - M. Jackson.

What are some of your favorite songs from:

The "Bad" Album/CD, Cassette, LP, 45.
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Reply #1 posted 01/15/22 9:45am

alphastreet

The entire thing, my favourite mj album
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Reply #2 posted 01/15/22 11:09am

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i like "The Way You Make Me Feel"

Best video, too.

"Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #3 posted 01/15/22 12:41pm

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alphastreet said:

The entire thing, my favourite mj album


It's too bad the album is sped up a bit. Michael sounds like Mickey Mouse in some tracks. I'd love to hear them at their original speeds. It's been talked about on here before.

By the way, there are a few incarnations of Bad. They kept replacing tracks on the album with 7" remix edits or whatever. So later pressings, marked the exact same as the original, are quite different, and time out differently.

I finally found one of the original vinyl pressings and bought it. I could tell by the horns in the choruses on "Bad." On later pressing, you hear the horns come in on the chorus just before it fades out.

Wikipedia lays it out:


Re-issues of Bad feature a number of changes when compared to the original 1987 release:

  • "Bad" – The original mix was replaced with the 7" single mix. The most notable difference is the lack of horns in all the choruses except for the last two. Horns are also missing from the second and third pre-choruses. The rhythm guitar during the choruses is also turned up along with the hi-hats.
  • "The Way You Make Me Feel" – The full-length remix used for the single with louder vocals and ad libs added to the end replaced the original album mix.
  • "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" omits Michael Jackson's spoken intro (note: this is a big indicator of which version you own.
  • "Dirty Diana" is replaced with the single edit of the song.
  • "Smooth Criminal" went through two changes on the album. It was remixed to make the kick drum heavier and the bass synth fatter. The quick-sequenced synclavier behind the bass has been rendered mono as well. The first version of this mix left the breathing intact, but was later removed after some time.
  • "Leave Me Alone" was not included on the original vinyl nor cassette releases but was included on the CD release and now is included in all releases.

I think if you were to reference Discogs.com with the early vinyl release, you'd get the correct times on the tracks, and know which one you have.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #4 posted 01/15/22 2:26pm

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I never understood why the 2nd verse of Smooth Criminal was butchered lile that, compared to the Moonwalker version
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Reply #5 posted 01/15/22 3:10pm

alphastreet

I think mj would have taken it as a compliment being compared to Mickey Mouse hehe that’s what I thought too when I first heard the song Bad when it came out, like it made me think of a cartoon. Anyways I have the original pressing of the CD with the horns in Bad and the spoken intro in I just can’t stop loving you
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Reply #6 posted 01/15/22 3:51pm

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alphastreet said:

I think mj would have taken it as a compliment being compared to Mickey Mouse hehe that’s what I thought too when I first heard the song "Bad" when it came out, like it made me think of a cartoon.


Uh huh. You run with that one.

I think it's a huge detriment to the album to have it sound like that.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #7 posted 01/15/22 3:58pm

alphastreet

What can I say, he was a big Disney fan lol
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Reply #8 posted 01/17/22 11:41am

SoulAlive

my favorite song on the album is "Another Part Of Me" headbang

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Reply #9 posted 01/17/22 12:04pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

alphastreet said:

The entire thing, my favourite mj album


It's too bad the album is sped up a bit. Michael sounds like Mickey Mouse in some tracks. I'd love to hear them at their original speeds. It's been talked about on here before.

By the way, there are a few incarnations of Bad. They kept replacing tracks on the album with 7" remix edits or whatever. So later pressings, marked the exact same as the original, are quite different, and time out differently.

I finally found one of the original vinyl pressings and bought it. I could tell by the horns in the choruses on "Bad." On later pressing, you hear the horns come in on the chorus just before it fades out.

Wikipedia lays it out:


Re-issues of Bad feature a number of changes when compared to the original 1987 release:

  • "Bad" – The original mix was replaced with the 7" single mix. The most notable difference is the lack of horns in all the choruses except for the last two. Horns are also missing from the second and third pre-choruses. The rhythm guitar during the choruses is also turned up along with the hi-hats.
  • "The Way You Make Me Feel" – The full-length remix used for the single with louder vocals and ad libs added to the end replaced the original album mix.
  • "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" omits Michael Jackson's spoken intro (note: this is a big indicator of which version you own.
  • "Dirty Diana" is replaced with the single edit of the song.
  • "Smooth Criminal" went through two changes on the album. It was remixed to make the kick drum heavier and the bass synth fatter. The quick-sequenced synclavier behind the bass has been rendered mono as well. The first version of this mix left the breathing intact, but was later removed after some time.
  • "Leave Me Alone" was not included on the original vinyl nor cassette releases but was included on the CD release and now is included in all releases.

I think if you were to reference Discogs.com with the early vinyl release, you'd get the correct times on the tracks, and know which one you have.


I gotta wonder if some of the releases aren't a blend of original versions and amended single versions as they were created and released.

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Reply #10 posted 01/17/22 12:20pm

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Speed Demon is my favorite and the only song I like on the album.

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Reply #11 posted 01/17/22 1:47pm

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PrettyMan72 said:

Speed Demon is my favorite and the only song I like on the album.



To be honest, I get the hype of the album. But come on, Control 1986 was the better Pop Album. When I think Of You plays on that 1940's theme, like Smooth Criminal, and I also think the song is better than Smooth Criminal. Both videos are on par with each other. MJ's is more slick, but Janet's is a spectacular showcase of space and set design.
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Reply #12 posted 01/17/22 3:36pm

alphastreet

Control was more of a concept album and Bad had a more diverse offering.
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Reply #13 posted 01/17/22 4:13pm

TrivialPursuit

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Cinny said:

I gotta wonder if some of the releases aren't a blend of original versions and amended single versions as they were created and released.


There were a blend over time. But if you check the time signatures, you'll kinda know where you're at with it.

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Reply #14 posted 01/18/22 8:22am

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A great song from an ok album. This the album that he started to lose me.

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Reply #15 posted 01/18/22 10:32am

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SoulAlive said:

my favorite song on the album is "Another Part Of Me" headbang

My first favourite song, but except Just good friends, all of them are great. My favourites now, Leave me Alone, Dirty Diana, Another part of me, Speed Demon, Man in the mirror. But of course, it seems wrong to not mention Smooth Criminal and They way you make me feel and Bad. Also the gorgeous ballads Liberian girl and I just can't stop loving you. Really, it's totally unfair to single a song out.

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Reply #16 posted 01/19/22 6:43am

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Just Good Friends (Studio... - YouTube

Somebody uploaded Just Good Friends A Capella and it is amazing. Mike really got his voice from Stevie and their mannerisims and growls are very close in vocal ability.

Story goes a homeless man snuck into the studio and was standing up against a wall looking at them perform this song in awe. Someone finally seen him and escorted him out.


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Reply #17 posted 01/19/22 6:52pm

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I liked most of the album except the tracks Speed Demon, Another Part of Me,Just Good Friends,Nan in the Mirror and I Just Can't Stop Loving you.

My favorite tracks Smooth Criminal,Bad, Dirty Diana and The Way You Make Me Feel. Smooth Criminal I loved before I saw the video. Once I saw that I was done. It's my favorite MJ video of all time to this very day.
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daingermouz2020 said:

I liked most of the album except the tracks "Speed Demon," "Another Part of Me," "Just Good Friends," "Man in the Mirror" and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You."

My favorite tracks "Smooth Criminal," "Bad," "Dirty Diana" and "The Way You Make Me Feel."

"Smooth Criminal" I loved before I saw the video. Once I saw that I was done. It's my favorite MJ video of all time to this very day.


The album had 10 songs on it. You disliked 5. lol That's "I liked about half of the album, at most."

The problem still, for me, is the sped up nature of some of the tracks. I do think "Moonwalker" would've been better than "Another Part of Me." And let's face it, despite the string of #1s from the album, it wouldn't have been the same without "Man in the Mirror." At. All.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #19 posted 01/19/22 10:33pm

alphastreet

paisleypark4 said:

Just Good Friends (Studio... - YouTube



Somebody uploaded Just Good Friends A Capella and it is amazing. Mike really got his voice from Stevie and their mannerisims and growls are very close in vocal ability.

Story goes a homeless man snuck into the studio and was standing up against a wall looking at them perform this song in awe. Someone finally seen him and escorted him out.




Cool story! I love Stevie music and definitely hear mj being influenced by him
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Reply #20 posted 01/20/22 1:40pm

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paisleypark4 said:

Just Good Friends (Studio... - YouTube

Somebody uploaded "Just Good Friends" A Capella and it is amazing. Mike really got his voice from Stevie and their mannerisims and growls are very close in vocal ability.

Story goes a homeless man snuck into the studio and was standing up against a wall looking at them perform this song in awe. Someone finally saw him and escorted him out.


So much energy in that clip.

There are a lot of MJ acapella videos on YouTube. Each one shows just how good his voice was, and to the great extent he was a versatile singer.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #21 posted 01/20/22 3:26pm

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alphastreet said:

I think mj would have taken it as a compliment being compared to Mickey Mouse

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Reply #22 posted 01/20/22 6:21pm

alphastreet

Mickey Jackson lol
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Reply #23 posted 01/21/22 7:58am

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SoulAlive said:

my favorite song on the album is "Another Part Of Me" headbang


Me too! His most funky song! That song rocks
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Reply #24 posted 01/21/22 3:59pm

Phase3

Almost started a new thread but figure it might get locked so my question is ,are there any MJ songs about God?
Just a thought I had recently

Oh and I love the entire BAD album except "just good friends" and wish to hear a extended version of "Liberian girl" one day
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Reply #25 posted 01/21/22 5:09pm

alphastreet

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Almost started a new thread but figure it might get locked so my question is ,are there any MJ songs about God?
Just a thought I had recently

Oh and I love the entire BAD album except "just good friends" and wish to hear a extended version of "Liberian girl" one day


I feel like will you be there and keep the faith touched on spirituality, those songs inspired me to do better
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Reply #26 posted 01/22/22 12:45pm

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alphastreet said:

Phase3 said:
Almost started a new thread but figure it might get locked so my question is ,are there any MJ songs about God? Just a thought I had recently Oh and I love the entire BAD album except "just good friends" and wish to hear a extended version of "Liberian girl" one day
I feel like will you be there and keep the faith touched on spirituality, those songs inspired me to do better


It seems MJ sorta steered away from religion like that. Where Prince delved right into it throughout his career. Michael sang about love, Prince sang about fucking...and love. We only knew they were raised Jehovah's Witness, and didn't celebrate holidays, etc. And then the disclaimer at the beginning of "Thriller"'s video.

I'd agree that "Keep The Faith" and "Man in the Mirror" were the only real gospel-leaning aesthetics he approached. MJ seemed more socially and politically motivated in his music than religious or spiritual.

I also believe that was a bit of the disconnected between MJ and Prince as friends. Their approaches to live were just so vastly different. Prince searched for a higher closeness to God, while MJ was constantly taking steps away from being a JW, and finding his own voice. The church didn't satiate his love of life, while Prince felt more God would bring him a bigger inner peace.

It's not that MJ stepped away from God, he stepped away from the organization and conservatism of it. Prince - once being a freedom fighter - leaned into it ore more extreme belief system. It's no short bit of irony that MJ left being a JW, and Prince seemed to suck the big JW dick right in the town square.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #27 posted 01/23/22 2:51pm

Phase3

alphastreet said:

Phase3 said:

Almost started a new thread but figure it might get locked so my question is ,are there any MJ songs about God?
Just a thought I had recently

Oh and I love the entire BAD album except "just good friends" and wish to hear a extended version of "Liberian girl" one day


I feel like will you be there and keep the faith touched on spirituality, those songs inspired me to do better


Keep the faith is a sucky song to me but I absolutely love "will you be there"
Another song that I forgot about that mentions God is the song "Speechless"
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Reply #28 posted 01/23/22 2:53pm

Phase3

TrivialPursuit said:



alphastreet said:


Phase3 said:
Almost started a new thread but figure it might get locked so my question is ,are there any MJ songs about God? Just a thought I had recently Oh and I love the entire BAD album except "just good friends" and wish to hear a extended version of "Liberian girl" one day

I feel like will you be there and keep the faith touched on spirituality, those songs inspired me to do better


It seems MJ sorta steered away from religion like that. Where Prince delved right into it throughout his career. Michael sang about love, Prince sang about fucking...and love. We only knew they were raised Jehovah's Witness, and didn't celebrate holidays, etc. And then the disclaimer at the beginning of "Thriller"'s video.

I'd agree that "Keep The Faith" and "Man in the Mirror" were the only real gospel-leaning aesthetics he approached. MJ seemed more socially and politically motivated in his music than religious or spiritual.

I also believe that was a bit of the disconnected between MJ and Prince as friends. Their approaches to live were just so vastly different. Prince searched for a higher closeness to God, while MJ was constantly taking steps away from being a JW, and finding his own voice. The church didn't satiate his love of life, while Prince felt more God would bring him a bigger inner peace.

It's not that MJ stepped away from God, he stepped away from the organization and conservatism of it. Prince - once being a freedom fighter - leaned into it ore more extreme belief system. It's no short bit of irony that MJ left being a JW, and Prince seemed to suck the big JW dick right in the town square.


Very good points
I never knew MJ was a Jehovah witness.He never expressed out in the open like Prince did
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Reply #29 posted 01/23/22 3:13pm

alphastreet

Yes after thriller, mj appeared more spiritual than religious, but I think at one point he may have turned towards religion close to the end of his life though those could have been rumours

Also, keep the faith is such an underrated song, like another man in the mirror but more spiritually grounded
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