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TrivialPursuit

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How Prince and MJ Portrayed and Viewed Women

As I'm watching a video about MJ's Dangerous album (from the detail) on YouTube, they mentioned the title track, a song about a woman that is just beyond.

They mentioned other songs about dangerous women. "Dirty Diana," "Billie Jean," being a couple. MJ was either romantic or he was warning folks about women.

And while Prince warned about people like "Shockadelica" or "Annie Christian" (the latter being a larger euphemism of social commentary), Prince did seem to have a different view of women in his music. Prince, in a helpless situation, always had the woman in charge. He pleaded for sex, he didn't just take it.

MJ didn't take it, but he often seemed to put women in a role of doing something bad. It's not just a broken relationship, it's someone at the backstage door, accusing him of fathering a children, or simply existing and that she's "no damn good for me."

Can you see other examples between the two mega stars and their views of women. I don't think either hated women, nor wanted to hurt women with violence. Their views in music certainly varied sometimes. Was there that much of a divide between their views, or are the songs noted above just equal examples of the same thing?

I've also noticed how MJ seemed to follow a trope in his band, always having the young, punky guitarist, and maybe a highlighted background singer, both of whom were female. But 99% of the time, MJ had male backup singers, male band, and male dancers.

Prince, on the other hand, had a band of women, or heavily female-populated bands, male and female backup singers and dancers. Do you think their above spectulated views played into how they surrounded themselves with other artists for tours and performances?

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #1 posted 12/31/21 12:19am

Wolfie87

TrivialPursuit said:

As I'm watching a video about MJ's Dangerous album (from the detail) on YouTube, they mentioned the title track, a song about a woman that is just beyond.

They mentioned other songs about dangerous women. "Dirty Diana," "Billie Jean," being a couple. MJ was either romantic or he was warning folks about women.

And while Prince warned about people like "Shockadelica" or "Annie Christian" (the latter being a larger euphemism of social commentary), Prince did seem to have a different view of women in his music. Prince, in a helpless situation, always had the woman in charge. He pleaded for sex, he didn't just take it.

MJ didn't take it, but he often seemed to put women in a role of doing something bad. It's not just a broken relationship, it's someone at the backstage door, accusing him of fathering a children, or simply existing and that she's "no damn good for me."

Can you see other examples between the two mega stars and their views of women. I don't think either hated women, nor wanted to hurt women with violence. Their views in music certainly varied sometimes. Was there that much of a divide between their views, or are the songs noted above just equal examples of the same thing?

I've also noticed how MJ seemed to follow a trope in his band, always having the young, punky guitarist, and maybe a highlighted background singer, both of whom were female. But 99% of the time, MJ had male backup singers, male band, and male dancers.

Prince, on the other hand, had a band of women, or heavily female-populated bands, male and female backup singers and dancers. Do you think their above spectulated views played into how they surrounded themselves with other artists for tours and performances?



Yeah, one Sexual and the other asexual. And you can figure it out in less than 2 second.
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Reply #2 posted 12/31/21 12:20am

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Is it true both Prince and MJ "dated" Tatiana something, the girl in TWYMMF video?
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Reply #3 posted 12/31/21 12:48am

Wolfie87

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Is it true both Prince and MJ "dated" Tatiana something, the girl in TWYMMF video?
[Edited 12/31/21 0:21am]


And what is that comment I've seen on YouTube that MJ made a fool out of Prince and stole his date in front of him, or something similar?
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Reply #4 posted 12/31/21 1:10am

RODSERLING

Wolfie87 said:

RODSERLING said:

Is it true both Prince and MJ "dated" Tatiana something, the girl in TWYMMF video?
[Edited 12/31/21 0:21am]


And what is that comment I've seen on YouTube that MJ made a fool out of Prince and stole his date in front of him, or something similar?


It was Sherylin Fenn, in 1985, when Prince visited MJ. I think it's thT day they played ping-pong.

IIRC, they talked about silent movies, as Fenn was supposed to star in a film about Clara Bow. MJ was a well-known huge fan of Chaplin.
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Reply #5 posted 12/31/21 1:22am

Wolfie87

RODSERLING said:

Wolfie87 said:



And what is that comment I've seen on YouTube that MJ made a fool out of Prince and stole his date in front of him, or something similar?


It was Sherylin Fenn, in 1985, when Prince visited MJ. I think it's thT day they played ping-pong.

IIRC, they talked about silent movies, as Fenn was supposed to star in a film about Clara Bow. MJ was a well-known huge fan of Chaplin.


And how was Prince a "clown" in that situation?
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Reply #6 posted 12/31/21 2:43am

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Wolfie87 said:

RODSERLING said:



It was Sherylin Fenn, in 1985, when Prince visited MJ. I think it's thT day they played ping-pong.

IIRC, they talked about silent movies, as Fenn was supposed to star in a film about Clara Bow. MJ was a well-known huge fan of Chaplin.


And how was Prince a "clown" in that situation?


What???
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Reply #7 posted 12/31/21 4:58am

Wolfie87

RODSERLING said:

Wolfie87 said:



And how was Prince a "clown" in that situation?


What???


The YouTube comment wrote that Prince was clowned in front of his girl and that she left him for MJ. Something like that.
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Reply #8 posted 12/31/21 7:38am

LoveGalore
Bob George, Cindy C, Dinner With Delores, 1+1+1=3, She Loves Me 4 Me, Irresistible Bitch, Wonderful Ass, they all either overtly or covertly diss women. Prince was a lyricist so he could be sneaky or clever about these things.
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Reply #9 posted 12/31/21 8:12am

bozojones
Somebody forgot about "Extraloveable" whistling
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Reply #10 posted 12/31/21 8:15am

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Prince tended to respect women Michael liked ah., wink.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #11 posted 12/31/21 12:49pm

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Prince felt he identified with them, I don't see that with MJ.

Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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Reply #12 posted 12/31/21 5:28pm

Free2BMe

Wolfie87 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

As I'm watching a video about MJ's Dangerous album (from the detail) on YouTube, they mentioned the title track, a song about a woman that is just beyond.

They mentioned other songs about dangerous women. "Dirty Diana," "Billie Jean," being a couple. MJ was either romantic or he was warning folks about women.

And while Prince warned about people like "Shockadelica" or "Annie Christian" (the latter being a larger euphemism of social commentary), Prince did seem to have a different view of women in his music. Prince, in a helpless situation, always had the woman in charge. He pleaded for sex, he didn't just take it.

MJ didn't take it, but he often seemed to put women in a role of doing something bad. It's not just a broken relationship, it's someone at the backstage door, accusing him of fathering a children, or simply existing and that she's "no damn good for me."

Can you see other examples between the two mega stars and their views of women. I don't think either hated women, nor wanted to hurt women with violence. Their views in music certainly varied sometimes. Was there that much of a divide between their views, or are the songs noted above just equal examples of the same thing?

I've also noticed how MJ seemed to follow a trope in his band, always having the young, punky guitarist, and maybe a highlighted background singer, both of whom were female. But 99% of the time, MJ had male backup singers, male band, and male dancers.

Prince, on the other hand, had a band of women, or heavily female-populated bands, male and female backup singers and dancers. Do you think their above spectulated views played into how they surrounded themselves with other artists for tours and performances?



Yeah, one Sexual and the other asexual. And you can figure it out in less than 2 second.


Interesting. I’ve heard Prince being referred to as both sexual and asexual by different people. I guess it depends on the person.🤷🏽‍♀️
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Reply #13 posted 12/31/21 5:35pm

Free2BMe
I’m going to base my opinion on two songs%: Lady In My Life by MJ and Do Me by Prince. When I hear Michael sing Lady In My Life, his voice exudes love, passion, slow love making, goose bumps, etc. When I hear Prince sing Do Me Baby, it’s all about sex. Wham Bam Thank You Ma’am. Lady In My Life makes me feel something that is unexplainable. 🤷🏽‍♀️🔥☺️🥰🤭
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Reply #14 posted 12/31/21 6:27pm

alphastreet
Yes, Michaelgasms! I think both songs are hot for different reasons
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Reply #15 posted 01/01/22 8:10am

Dalia11
I Blame The Negative Conditioning On Religion And Fathers/Mothers
Who Do Not Care About Their Sons, Daughters - Childhood Abuse, ETC.
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Reply #16 posted 01/01/22 8:13am

Dalia11
Fathers need to talk to their sons, daughters about sex, relationships,
and mothers need to talk to their sons, daughters about sex, relationships,
marriage, divorce, how to prevent fighting,etc.
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Reply #17 posted 01/01/22 12:59pm

TrivialPursuit

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Dalia11 said:

I Blame The Negative Conditioning On Religion And Fathers/Mothers Who Do Not Care About Their Sons, Daughters - Childhood Abuse, ETC.


That has nothing to do with my thread subject.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #18 posted 01/01/22 1:49pm

Free2BMe

alphastreet said:

Yes, Michaelgasms! I think both songs are hot for different reasons


Michaelgasms🥰😊🥰
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Reply #19 posted 01/02/22 8:25am

Dalia11
"Gett Off" was one of my favorite songs from: "Diamonds And Pearls" Album!

Of course, I was a teen a that time(that song)was played on the radio stations...

I thought "Gett Off" meant - "Leave Me Alone" or
"Mind Your Business" 🙂

I bought the Prince And The N.P G's: "Diamonds And Pearls" Cassette in 1992 when I was(16.5 Years Old).


*The video for "Gett Off" is "Very Entertaining!" Lol, 😉

I recently bought the "Diamonds And Pearls" Video Collection, two of my
favorite videos from "Diamonds And Pearls" Album are: "Money Don't Matter
2Nite",

and "Diamonds And Pearls".

"Cream" is an interesting Prince song/hit and music video as well!

What does the song "Call The Law Mean"?

Anybody, anybody, anybody know?


DVD Video: "Prince And The N.P.G - "Diamonds And
Pearls" Video Collection.

All Prince fans should Buy this DVD!
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Reply #20 posted 01/02/22 12:33pm

TrivialPursuit

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Dalia11 said:

[blathering]


Do you read the titles of the threads? None of your answers have anything to do with the subject.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #21 posted 01/03/22 4:04am

RODSERLING
😂🤣
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