https://www.cbc.ca/news/w...-1.6239810

luv4u said:

At least eight people were killed after fans attending a Houston music festival surged toward the stage during a performance by rapper Travis Scott, triggering panic in the crowd of tens of thousands, authorities said.

The chaos unfolded Friday evening at Astroworld, a sold-out, two-day event at the NRG Park stadium. An estimated 50,000 people were in attendance.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/w...-1.6239810

Very very sad but I honestly have said this over and over, I will never ever go to a GA show again, I did so many of them when I was younger and I always hated the shit. People get there late, push and shove to the front, its pure nonsense and this always seems to happen tragically, hopefully GA shows never happen anymore, not even because of COVID regulations just because they all suck.

EmmaMcG said:

I have two questions. 1. Who is Travis Scott?

He's a popular rapper. Stevie Wonder & Philip Bailey have worked with him

EmmaMcG said:

2. Why was this concert allowed to go ahead during a pandemic?

It's in Texas, the governor there declined lockdowns and mandatory mask wearing. At the moment, lockdowns are done by state or local governments not the national one. That's why movie theaters, clubs, bars, beaches, malls, restaurants, and other public places are open now in many places in the USA, when they were mostly shut down in 2020 because of national lockdowns. There's been lots of concerts in 2021 before this and upcoming too. Many of the TV talk shows have studio audiences now, when they didn't last year and guests appear in studio too when in 2020 most did Zoom interviews.

Now there's reports of a security gaurd being jabbed in the neck with a needle!

In the US actually only 9 states have mask mandates anymore.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/these-are-the-states-with-mask-mandates

It's pretty much open season in all the other states. Wanna rave, wanna karoke, wanna bar hop, wanna orgy, want "normal" back? The other states are here 4u.

I'm super apolitical but, kinda odd one dude lost because he fucked up the pandemic, other dude got nominated under the premise of taking the pandemic seriously, then proceeded to get rid of the CDC mask recommendation less than 60 days in.

[Edited 11/6/21 20:48pm]

[Edited 11/6/21 20:48pm]

CynicKill said:

Now there's reports of a security gaurd being jabbed in the neck with a needle!

Security guard injected with drugs during Astroworld Festival disaster, HPD confirms

HOUSTON, Texas (KTRK) -- As rumors spread about what led to the deaths of eight peopl...d Festival, authorities confirmed one of the early claims that someone was injecting people with a needle during the deadly event, though it's possible it may have been an isolated incident.

https://abc13.com/astrowo...vzSPtfK6qk

Well as i said before I despise "festivals" and "general admission" shows for this reason. EVERY general admission show i have ever gone too, there were many (i stopped years ago), there was ALWAYS the constant push to get to the front, which led me to say "why am I standing outside a venue early if this asshole comes five minutes before the show and because HE CAN he pushes all of us around" so I finally said screw this shit, AND I went to many PRINCE GA shows and they all sucked for this reason. NOW magnify that for a festival which i never did go to but I have no desire to be around ten people why would I want 10,000 around me. Now what troubles me more is the fact that in the news article it says those dead range in age from 14-27. THat is troubling because WHY is a 14 year old even at this, and yes they could have been with an older person, but somehow I doubt it. And I am sure alcohol is being sold and I have some WAKE up news for Travis Scott, if he in fact is the ORGANIZER which i believe if I read it right he is, that he ALSO not just the venue and security, is liable, SO he can expect to be paying out money for a long time on this. Even if the venue and security are at fault, and corners were cut to save $$$ you still are the organizer and you are going to be the one sued. Just like the tragedy on set with Alec Baldwin, regardless of a Crew member checking the gun, Alec is the producer and he will be the one paying out. Now with the festival incident that is going to be a huge sum, because you have 8 people dead, but also quite a few injured and you know others are going to jump in on that. I honestly think its time to END these kind of festivals, these two day things that always have issues, and then you mix in alcohol and im sure drugs too in places where carrying a weapon is allowed, well do the math, you are going to have a tragedy most of the time.

EmmaMcG said:

Empress said:

EmmaMcG said:

I have two questions. 1. Who is Travis Scott? 2. Why was this concert allowed to go ahead during a pandemic?

This is a tragedy, but I don't know who Travis Scott is either. I do know that this is Texas, land of the right wingers and don't tell me what I can and can't do unless it's abortion. The gov is a Trumper, enough said.

While all that is true about the state, MOST states allow these events to happen, even now in the pandemic days. Here in NYC where this a mandate for things and indoor events you have to show proof of vaccination, we just had a big outdoor event here in Central Park benfitting front line workers, so NYC is far from a Right Wing state by any means. I still dont get the whole Outdoor Indoor nonsense about Covid, because to me if you are in a crowd regardless of in or out if someone is on top of you and is sick you get their germs, whether its out or inside. For me I dont like crowds to begin with so it doesnt really effect me, I have been to a TON of shows since NYC let us into these small venues again and allowed them to reopen and have shows, now most of these venues are sit down table seating type stuff which i prefer, I dont do GA shows at all anymore, I think the last GA show I did was a Prince afterparty and that was it, I retired from that nonsense.

onlyforaminute said:

Kylie Jenner said that she and Travis Scott are "devastated" by the deaths at the Astroworld Festival in Houston, following criticisms that the show was not stopped quickly enough despite pleas from fans. At least eight people died and hundreds were injured as the crowd surged at the festival on Friday night. Jenner, who is currently pregnant with her second child with Scott, attended the event with her three-year-old daughter Stormi and sister Kendall Jenner. "I want to make it clear we weren't aware of any fatalities until the news came out after the show and in no world would have continued filming or performing," Jenner wrote in an Instagram story early on Sunday.

Yeah they are already looking into footage from past shows he has done, and the conduct on stage and the crowds and its not going to end well, its going to cost him a lot, I dont think a lot of these artists realize they are actually responsible for reckless behaviour and also event security and crowd sizes when they are forming they event themselves.

Heres some past issues by Scott.

In 2017, Scott was arrested after he encouraged fans to bypass security and rush the stage, leaving a security guard, a police officer and several others injured during a concert in Arkansas. In a separate incident, he was sentenced to one year of court supervision after pleading guilty to reckless conduct charges stemming from a 2015 incident in Chicago at the Lollapalooza music festival.

At the time, Chicago officials said Scott encouraged fans to vault security barricades. However, no one was injured.

Emma, freedom; that's all they say, free dumb.

It reminds me of those scary images of Michael Jackson concerts where the fans, packed like sardines, work themselves up into a frenzy only to have to be carried out from passing out.

The difference is Travis Scott utilizes such stereotypical, ritualistic illuminati type symbolism which makes the atmosphere very dark. To the point where that's all people can talk about concerning the show.

I've heard many refer to the experience as hellish and that's what it looks like to me.

This was the perfect storm of self-fulfilling prophecy.

You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to realize how it looks.

CynicKill said:

It reminds me of those scary images of Michael Jackson concerts where the fans, packed like sardines, work themselves up into a frenzy only to have to be carried out from passing out.

The difference is Travis Scott utilizes such stereotypical, ritualistic illuminati type symbolism which makes the atmosphere very dark. To the point where that's all people can talk about concerning the show.

I've heard many refer to the experience as hellish and that's what it looks like to me.

This was the perfect storm of self-fulfilling prophecy.

You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to realize how it looks.

I agree but its even worse when you have an artist that suggests pushing through the barricades and securtiy and rush the stage, to me thats like yelling fire in a crowded theatre. And to have this many people crammed in, i dont think Scott realizes the severity of this, though accidental, we think, if this is found to be his fault or any sort of violations he could be looking at charges, dont think that is not on the radar for lawyers right now, I mean the fire years back with rock band great white, they were about to go to jail for faulty pyro used in a venue.

lastdecember said:

I agree but its even worse when you have an artist that suggests pushing through the barricades and securtiy and rush the stage, to me thats like yelling fire in a crowded theatre. And to have this many people crammed in, i dont think Scott realizes the severity of this, though accidental, we think, if this is found to be his fault or any sort of violations he could be looking at charges, dont think that is not on the radar for lawyers right now, I mean the fire years back with rock band great white, they were about to go to jail for faulty pyro used in a venue.

I remember that Jesse Johnson (from The Time) was touring with New Edition in the mid-1980s. Jesse was arrested because he was accused of starting a riot in the audience. There was the guy that got stabbed by Hell's Angels at the Rolling Stones concert at Altimont, which was filmed. Several people died at a concert by The Who in the 1970s from being crushed by a mob.

Speaking of New Edition, there was a shooting backstage between NE's crew (roadies I think) and Guy's crew during the Heartbreak tour after a fight. One person on Guy's side was shot and died. There was another shootout at the Source Awards in 1995. I think Quincy Jones was there, but he was not involved obviously.

CynicKill said:

Sad to read and scary to hear some of the witnesses talk about how grim it was.

Being in the UK, some of us old enough to recall it have the Hillsborough football tragedy in our minds when we see big crowds like that, I know I certainly do. And as much as I enjoy being in a crowd at a gig for the atmosphere it brings, the minute it starts to get uncomfortable I back out of there.

Houston is notorious for zero zoning laws.

Never heard of Travis Scott but this is really sad and scary. I have never been to a music festival in my life. I can't enjoy myself in a mob of people like that. Yeah, I don't get the "science" behind the chances are lower to catch Covid outdoors with people yelling, screaming and spitting in your face.

lastdecember said:

Well as i said before I despise "festivals" and "general admission" shows for this reason. EVERY general admission show i have ever gone too, there were many (i stopped years ago), there was ALWAYS the constant push to get to the front, which led me to say "why am I standing outside a venue early if this asshole comes five minutes before the show and because HE CAN he pushes all of us around" so I finally said screw this shit, AND I went to many PRINCE GA shows and they all sucked for this reason. NOW magnify that for a festival which i never did go to but I have no desire to be around ten people why would I want 10,000 around me. Now what troubles me more is the fact that in the news article it says those dead range in age from 14-27. THat is troubling because WHY is a 14 year old even at this, and yes they could have been with an older person, but somehow I doubt it. And I am sure alcohol is being sold and I have some WAKE up news for Travis Scott, if he in fact is the ORGANIZER which i believe if I read it right he is, that he ALSO not just the venue and security, is liable, SO he can expect to be paying out money for a long time on this. Even if the venue and security are at fault, and corners were cut to save $$$ you still are the organizer and you are going to be the one sued. Just like the tragedy on set with Alec Baldwin, regardless of a Crew member checking the gun, Alec is the producer and he will be the one paying out. Now with the festival incident that is going to be a huge sum, because you have 8 people dead, but also quite a few injured and you know others are going to jump in on that. I honestly think its time to END these kind of festivals, these two day things that always have issues, and then you mix in alcohol and im sure drugs too in places where carrying a weapon is allowed, well do the math, you are going to have a tragedy most of the time.

"AND I went to many PRINCE GA shows and they all sucked for this reason."

Which Prince Concerts was this that you speakest about?

Astasheiks said:

lastdecember said:

Well as i said before I despise "festivals" and "general admission" shows for this reason. EVERY general admission show i have ever gone too, there were many (i stopped years ago), there was ALWAYS the constant push to get to the front, which led me to say "why am I standing outside a venue early if this asshole comes five minutes before the show and because HE CAN he pushes all of us around" so I finally said screw this shit, AND I went to many PRINCE GA shows and they all sucked for this reason. NOW magnify that for a festival which i never did go to but I have no desire to be around ten people why would I want 10,000 around me. Now what troubles me more is the fact that in the news article it says those dead range in age from 14-27. THat is troubling because WHY is a 14 year old even at this, and yes they could have been with an older person, but somehow I doubt it. And I am sure alcohol is being sold and I have some WAKE up news for Travis Scott, if he in fact is the ORGANIZER which i believe if I read it right he is, that he ALSO not just the venue and security, is liable, SO he can expect to be paying out money for a long time on this. Even if the venue and security are at fault, and corners were cut to save $$$ you still are the organizer and you are going to be the one sued. Just like the tragedy on set with Alec Baldwin, regardless of a Crew member checking the gun, Alec is the producer and he will be the one paying out. Now with the festival incident that is going to be a huge sum, because you have 8 people dead, but also quite a few injured and you know others are going to jump in on that. I honestly think its time to END these kind of festivals, these two day things that always have issues, and then you mix in alcohol and im sure drugs too in places where carrying a weapon is allowed, well do the math, you are going to have a tragedy most of the time.

"AND I went to many PRINCE GA shows and they all sucked for this reason."

Which Prince Concerts was this that you speakest about?

the experiences sucked not the mans performance but because the experience of constantly being shoved and pushed for three hours or more if he was late which he always was. These were shows at rose land Irving plaza the world club tramps etc...all nyc after shows, performances were great but the GA experience sucked, just like the three GA shows I saw for Duran Duran in 1992, and 1995, GA shows are just a crappy time, where someone will piss you off so much that you forget the performances