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Reply #30 posted 10/12/21 3:25pm

alphastreet

TrivialPursuit said:



rlittler81 said:




Compare the performance of "Erotica" from The Girlie Show to her performance of "Holy Water" from Rebel Heart Tour and you'll see what I mean. Maybe "subtlety" isn't the right word... "less obvious" maybe?





I get what you're saying.

Her performance of "Erotica" was rather tame, really. Even then. But dancing on a pole, shaped like a cross, with dancers dressed as nuns-meet-can-can-girls while singing "Vogue" and "Holy Water" is beyond not subtle. It seems like shocking value for the sake of it.

What's the expression there? What's the goal? What is it saying? Is she saying Yeezus or Jesus???

I'm just waiting for her to get a pap smear or colonoscopy on stage. There's not much left.



Yes I can imagine her filming those and posting it, turning it sexual
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Reply #31 posted 10/12/21 3:46pm

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absolute rubbish. has destroyed her face. never thought she'd go the hideous surgery route and the audience fawning over some of the worst music she's ever made.I will stick to my Confessions Tour DVD.
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Reply #32 posted 10/12/21 4:00pm

alphastreet

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absolute rubbish. has destroyed her face. never thought she'd go the hideous surgery route and the audience fawning over some of the worst music she's ever made.I will stick to my Confessions Tour DVD.


Confessions was a great era, but I like the madame x album too, her netter work in years
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Reply #33 posted 10/12/21 10:40pm

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Having seen the show twice live, I have to say that I don't think it recreates the live experience. If you are looking for a good concert film, look elsewhere. However, I think it's a good concept film, and that's what Madonna is presenting it as. It really does get her message across, as overbearing as it may seem.

There are flaws (poor footage, that damn vocoder) but I have to say that it put a smile on me when it was finished. I'm glad I watched it, and it's far more worthwhile than any "film" she's put out in the past ten years.

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Reply #34 posted 10/13/21 12:59am

SoulAlive

Madonna and Maluma appear on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine...read the interview here....

Musicians on Musicians: M...ling Stone

Musicians on Musicians: Madonna and Maluma - Rolling Stone

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Reply #35 posted 10/13/21 10:19am

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alphastreet said:

TrivialPursuit said:


I get what you're saying.

Her performance of "Erotica" was rather tame, really. Even then. But dancing on a pole, shaped like a cross, with dancers dressed as nuns-meet-can-can-girls while singing "Vogue" and "Holy Water" is beyond not subtle. It seems like shocking value for the sake of it.

What's the expression there? What's the goal? What is it saying? Is she saying Yeezus or Jesus???

I'm just waiting for her to get a pap smear or colonoscopy on stage. There's not much left.

Yes I can imagine her filming those and posting it, turning it sexual

Yeezus. Kanye West produced Holy Water.

I thought it was the best performance in the whole show...the choreography was amazing.

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Reply #36 posted 10/13/21 11:12am

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paisleypark4 said:

alphastreet said:

TrivialPursuit said: Yes I can imagine her filming those and posting it, turning it sexual

Yeezus. Kanye West produced Holy Water.

I thought it was the best performance in the whole show...the choreography was amazing.

Probably right. That tour was boring. When I saw it in Manchester there was no atmosphere. She cut the show short and had a go at the audience for booing her before she came on. Total disaster.

At least with Madame X I felt I was seeing something new.

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Reply #37 posted 10/13/21 11:46am

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Probably right. That tour was boring. When I saw it in Manchester there was no atmosphere. She cut the show short and had a go at the audience for booing her before she came on. Total disaster.

At least with Madame X I felt I was seeing something new.


Wasn't that the show where the computer system that ran the show crashed, and it took hours to reboot it and they had to cut a whole segment of the show?

I had no idea what she was doing on the Rebel Heart Tour. The costumes, the sets. It was all so disjointed, heavy-handed. I didn't get the storyline. I got it with Blond Ambition, and The Girlie Show. MDNA had very specific sections, as did Confessions. But with RHT, I didn't get the Asian themes at the beginning. It didn't match the music. Then the weird look during stuff like "Deeper and Deeper;" that whole part. The music didn't support the look, because the music on that album was just garbage. "Iconic" is a horrible song and a terrible show opener.

So longwinded of me, but I agree with you about RH being boring.

And while I adore Madonna as a whole artist, musician, and one who provokes, I am not sure how she slips by being checked on her cultural appropriation. Elvis was called the great appropriator in another thread. And he was. But has anyone ever checked a chubby white girl from Michigan, in a white ass family (Italian roots aside) for literally dressing in Latino clothing, or Asian clothing, or even Urban gear (grillz, etc), and no one says a word. I mean, it was one thing to sideways adopt a (albeit horrible) British accent. But from "La Isla Bonita," to her whole Portugese aesthetic of late. Is it cuz she's hiding under being an "actress" or something? It's like anyone else can put on a sombrero and it's racist and cultural appropriation. Madonna reeancts Shogn for 20 minutes, and she's iconic.

I don't wish to crucify her. But if we're going thru this consequence culture right now ...

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #38 posted 10/13/21 1:19pm

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rlittler81 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Yeezus. Kanye West produced Holy Water.

I thought it was the best performance in the whole show...the choreography was amazing.

Probably right. That tour was boring. When I saw it in Manchester there was no atmosphere. She cut the show short and had a go at the audience for booing her before she came on. Total disaster.

At least with Madame X I felt I was seeing something new.

Yeah, it was missing purpose. Glad for her per4mances, but it sounds like a collection of songs with no tie-in.

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Reply #39 posted 10/13/21 1:36pm

alphastreet

Rebel heart is her worst album ever, I only like 3 songs on it. I saw another artist instead of her the night she came here for rebel heart
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Reply #40 posted 10/13/21 7:44pm

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Re: Appropriation. Madonna is NOT the same as Elvis. She always gives credit to the cultures she “steals from.” Back in the 1980s, she hired mostly Black and Latino musicians when others weren’t. In terms of Vogue, she’s always accused of “stealing” it, but she always gave credit to its originators. In fact, the originators helped her create the video and performances. She does go overboard, but she should be praised for constantly promoting diversity rather than having to “face a consequence.” Elvis is on a whole different level.
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Reply #41 posted 10/13/21 9:05pm

alphastreet

phillymonster said:

Re: Appropriation. Madonna is NOT the same as Elvis. She always gives credit to the cultures she “steals from.” Back in the 1980s, she hired mostly Black and Latino musicians when others weren’t. In terms of Vogue, she’s always accused of “stealing” it, but she always gave credit to its originators. In fact, the originators helped her create the video and performances. She does go overboard, but she should be praised for constantly promoting diversity rather than having to “face a consequence.” Elvis is on a whole different level.


Exactly, if anything, she’s brought trends in those communities to the forefront. The singers on batuka even toured with her
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Reply #42 posted 10/14/21 4:56am

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alphastreet said:

Rebel heart is her worst album ever, I only like 3 songs on it. I saw another artist instead of her the night she came here for rebel heart

Ironically the Rebel Heart album is one of my favourites from her later years, I just felt the tour lacked any theme or concept and didn’t flow like her other shows do. After the MDNA tour is was a massive disappointment and further proof she needs to ditch Jamie King and Kevin Antunes and get a fresh creative team. I was hoping the theatre tour would completely reinvent her live show format but I felt it was just an arena show downsized.
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Reply #43 posted 10/14/21 9:31am

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alphastreet said:

Rebel heart is her worst album ever, I only like 3 songs on it. I saw another artist instead of her the night she came here for rebel heart

I thought Rebel Heart was more a mixed bag. Some standout tunes Living For Love, Holy Water, Heartbreak City.

Next to some terrible ones B* I'm Madonna, Iconic, Illuminati.

It was like she was trying to be relevant on top of actually coming out with some well crafted tunes worthy of her category. The album also just had too many songs on it.

6/10

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Reply #44 posted 10/14/21 9:35am

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I always like Madonna for putting on new songs on her shows and not make it a greatest hits thing.

Even Prince didn't do that.

I enjoyed her show, don't think it's the best, but at least she's not doing the same thing over and over again.

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Reply #45 posted 10/14/21 9:42am

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peppeken said:

absolute rubbish. has destroyed her face. never thought she'd go the hideous surgery route and the audience fawning over some of the worst music she's ever made.I will stick to my Confessions Tour DVD.

Please, how old are you? she is in the business for 40 years.

How do you think you look like at 63?

young and beautiful?

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Reply #46 posted 10/16/21 8:30pm

SoulAlive

I finally watched it! biggrin WOW!! This is incredible! In this show,she really went all the way with the whole Madame X/world music concept.Very entertaining! It's alot to absorb and think about.I now regret not seeing the actual show when it came to my area.This is great!

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Reply #47 posted 10/16/21 8:32pm

alphastreet

SoulAlive said:

I finally watched it! biggrin WOW!! This is incredible! In this show,she really went all the way with the whole Madonna X/world music concept.Very entertaining! It's alot to absorb and think about.I now regret not seeing the actual show when it came to my area.This is great!







In all fairness, her prices are ridiculous. Will this be on Netflix at any point?
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Reply #48 posted 10/16/21 8:41pm

SoulAlive

alphastreet said:

SoulAlive said:

I finally watched it! biggrin WOW!! This is incredible! In this show,she really went all the way with the whole Madonna X/world music concept.Very entertaining! It's alot to absorb and think about.I now regret not seeing the actual show when it came to my area.This is great!







In all fairness, her prices are ridiculous. Will this be on Netflix at any point?


I agree.I always have a great time at her shows but the high ticket prices are annoying,lol.

Not sure if it will be on Netflix.I just used the free trial at Paramount.It will eventually make its way to DVD and blu-Ray.
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Reply #49 posted 10/16/21 8:47pm

SoulAlive

a few of the highlights:

God Control
American Life
Come Alive
Batuka
Human Nature
Future

It was cool seeing her children onstage with her and seeing Lola in the “Frozen” performance
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Reply #50 posted 10/16/21 8:52pm

SoulAlive

TrivialPursuit said:

That whole opening sequence with the typewriter and the guy dancing to it is beyond annoying. Then there's a dance section to someone breathing.


I love that part biggrin that is some really unique choreography and a clever interlude,imo
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Reply #51 posted 10/16/21 9:06pm

SoulAlive

I have always loved her sense of humor.It's on full display in this show smile the "Polaroid" segment is funny.

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Reply #52 posted 10/16/21 9:20pm

SoulAlive

nod that's a standout performance,for sure

StrangeButTrue said:

The show is really fun and creative! Definitely different from the theater show in an interesting way. My favorite part was Extreme Occident with all the spinning around
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Reply #53 posted 10/16/21 11:14pm

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nextedition said:

I always like Madonna for putting on new songs on her shows and not make it a greatest hits thing.

She refuses to rest on her laurels and that's admirable nod

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