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Reply #120 posted 10/12/21 11:51pm

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That’s hilarious and hypocritical coming from some of you. Btw, let’s not forget that GROWN ASS people went to Neverland- Elizabeth Taylor, Gregory Peck, Carrie Fisher, entire families of soldiers from the Gulf War were invited, hundreds of other came with their kids. Since my ass is VERY grown, I would have fit right in at Neverland.


Did he “share his bed” with any of them ? If you’re a “grown ass”, I doubt that Michael would have been very interested in you....

My view is that MJ was one of the greatest talents in the history of music and show business.
I also think that he most likely was a degenerate and pervert with a sick desire for children.

I’ll leave with a joke:
Q: Why did Michael Jackson race into the department store?
A: Because he saw a sign in the window saying “Today only ! All boys pants- HALF OFF ! “


The answer to your sick perverted question is yes, he did SHARE his BEDROOM Suite(a two story, 3 bath, 2 bed, gameroom) with grownups like Elizabeth Taylor , Carrie Fisher, etc. There are photos with grownups in the bedroom suite and LOTS of children. There are even photos of the fake accusers AND their Mamas SHARING Michael’s Bedroom suite. There are also interviews of Wade’s mama saying even she would be in his suite and they would all be watching TV and playing games on the bed. There is also an interview of the fake accuser Wade’s sister, Chantel saying that while Wade was in the room, she was right there in the same room. Of course, your ignorant and perverted ass wouldn’t know thst because you have pedophilic FANTASIES. In other words, you are one of those degenerates who fantacize about adults and children having sex to suit your own sick desires.Only a sad, sick bastard equates being around children with sex. FTR, I would never leave a child around you for that very reason.According to YOUR beliefs and thoughts, being around children automatically means that you will have sex with them and that is SCARY.

Btw, I don’t want to hear a single person claim that an MJ fan brought this $#@% up, because we didn’t. A sick SOB brought it up in THIS thread and it had nothing to do with music. Your speculations and feelings mean $hit in a court of law.Every, and I mean EVERY fake allegation was proven to be a lie through depositions, documents, timelines, non-existent places, etc.That is the very reason why THREE judges threw these latest fake allegations, extortion attempts and scams out of court. Btw, don’t bring up this bullshit, if you don’t want a response. You and others like you are a special kind of ignorance. Either be ready to back up your FEELINGS and speculations or shut the hell up. What you brought up was ignorant, CHILDISH and tabloidish. YOU got this thread off track and soon you will LIE and blame someone else. TYPICAL!!
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Reply #121 posted 10/13/21 12:45am

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It's interesting that a thread that asks a simple question ("is Elvis overrated?") has turned into an ugly,complicated mess eek

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Reply #122 posted 10/13/21 7:31am

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Free2BMe said:

jjhunsecker said:



Did he “share his bed” with any of them ? If you’re a “grown ass”, I doubt that Michael would have been very interested in you....

My view is that MJ was one of the greatest talents in the history of music and show business.
I also think that he most likely was a degenerate and pervert with a sick desire for children.

I’ll leave with a joke:
Q: Why did Michael Jackson race into the department store?
A: Because he saw a sign in the window saying “Today only ! All boys pants- HALF OFF ! “


The answer to your sick perverted question is yes, he did SHARE his BEDROOM Suite(a two story, 3 bath, 2 bed, gameroom) with grownups like Elizabeth Taylor , Carrie Fisher, etc. There are photos with grownups in the bedroom suite and LOTS of children. There are even photos of the fake accusers AND their Mamas SHARING Michael’s Bedroom suite. There are also interviews of Wade’s mama saying even she would be in his suite and they would all be watching TV and playing games on the bed. There is also an interview of the fake accuser Wade’s sister, Chantel saying that while Wade was in the room, she was right there in the same room. Of course, your ignorant and perverted ass wouldn’t know thst because you have pedophilic FANTASIES. In other words, you are one of those degenerates who fantacize about adults and children having sex to suit your own sick desires.Only a sad, sick bastard equates being around children with sex. FTR, I would never leave a child around you for that very reason.According to YOUR beliefs and thoughts, being around children automatically means that you will have sex with them and that is SCARY.

Btw, I don’t want to hear a single person claim that an MJ fan brought this $#@% up, because we didn’t. A sick SOB brought it up in THIS thread and it had nothing to do with music. Your speculations and feelings mean $hit in a court of law.Every, and I mean EVERY fake allegation was proven to be a lie through depositions, documents, timelines, non-existent places, etc.That is the very reason why THREE judges threw these latest fake allegations, extortion attempts and scams out of court. Btw, don’t bring up this bullshit, if you don’t want a response. You and others like you are a special kind of ignorance. Either be ready to back up your FEELINGS and speculations or shut the hell up. What you brought up was ignorant, CHILDISH and tabloidish. YOU got this thread off track and soon you will LIE and blame someone else. TYPICAL!!
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Reply #123 posted 10/13/21 7:31am

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SoulAlive said:

It's interesting that a thread that asks a simple question ("is Elvis overrated?") has turned into an ugly,complicated mess eek



So true...
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Reply #124 posted 10/13/21 7:39am

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jjhunsecker said:

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The answer to your sick perverted question is yes, he did SHARE his BEDROOM Suite(a two story, 3 bath, 2 bed, gameroom) with grownups like Elizabeth Taylor , Carrie Fisher, etc. There are photos with grownups in the bedroom suite and LOTS of children. There are even photos of the fake accusers AND their Mamas SHARING Michael’s Bedroom suite. There are also interviews of Wade’s mama saying even she would be in his suite and they would all be watching TV and playing games on the bed. There is also an interview of the fake accuser Wade’s sister, Chantel saying that while Wade was in the room, she was right there in the same room. Of course, your ignorant and perverted ass wouldn’t know thst because you have pedophilic FANTASIES. In other words, you are one of those degenerates who fantacize about adults and children having sex to suit your own sick desires.Only a sad, sick bastard equates being around children with sex. FTR, I would never leave a child around you for that very reason.According to YOUR beliefs and thoughts, being around children automatically means that you will have sex with them and that is SCARY.

Btw, I don’t want to hear a single person claim that an MJ fan brought this $#@% up, because we didn’t. A sick SOB brought it up in THIS thread and it had nothing to do with music. Your speculations and feelings mean $hit in a court of law.Every, and I mean EVERY fake allegation was proven to be a lie through depositions, documents, timelines, non-existent places, etc.That is the very reason why THREE judges threw these latest fake allegations, extortion attempts and scams out of court. Btw, don’t bring up this bullshit, if you don’t want a response. You and others like you are a special kind of ignorance. Either be ready to back up your FEELINGS and speculations or shut the hell up. What you brought up was ignorant, CHILDISH and tabloidish. YOU got this thread off track and soon you will LIE and blame someone else. TYPICAL!!
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Bring you back to reality


That’s the same exact question I asked about you. Maybe you should be on medication so that you can stop projecting YOUR fantasies. Let’s not forget that it was YOU who turned this thread into a sick, ugly mess.Of course, this is typical of people like you.”Throw a rock and hide your hands.”😎
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Reply #125 posted 10/13/21 7:45am

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SoulAlive said:

It's interesting that a thread that asks a simple question ("is Elvis overrated?") has turned into an ugly,complicated mess eek



Exactly.
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Reply #126 posted 10/13/21 7:55am

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Free2BMe said:

jjhunsecker said:



Are you on medication? If not, maybe you should be...
Bring you back to reality


That’s the same exact question I asked about you. Maybe you should be on medication so that you can stop projecting YOUR fantasies. Let’s not forget that it was YOU who turned this thread into a sick, ugly mess.Of course, this is typical of people like you.”Throw a rock and hide your hands.”😎
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This is what happens when fandom turns into fanaticism...

Most of the rest of this is too insane to even try to answer rationally. So I won’t even try. It’s like trying to debate the teachings of the Qaran with Osama Bin Laden
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Reply #127 posted 10/13/21 8:33am

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That’s the same exact question I asked about you. Maybe you should be on medication so that you can stop projecting YOUR fantasies. Let’s not forget that it was YOU who turned this thread into a sick, ugly mess.Of course, this is typical of people like you.”Throw a rock and hide your hands.”😎
[Edited 10/13/21 7:42am]


This is what happens when fandom turns into fanaticism...

Most of the rest of this is too insane to even try to answer rationally. So I won’t even try. It’s like trying to debate the teachings of the Qaran with Osama Bin Laden
[Edited 10/13/21 7:57am]



Sweetie, this is what happens when you are challenged and can’t handle it. You people always TRY to turn it around because you have no recourse.Let’s leave your inability to handle a discussion at that. This has to do with “fandom”; however, it has $@#& to do with “fanaticism”. That’s just what you people call it when a person doesn’t agree with your crap or calls you out. It shows how ENTITLED you think you are to say anything and not be challenged. That doesn’t work with me or anyone I am associated with. What you are spewing is WEAK.
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Reply #128 posted 10/13/21 9:17am

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SoulAlive said:

It's interesting that a thread that asks a simple question ("is Elvis overrated?") has turned into an ugly,complicated mess eek

It wouldn't be the org without it.........sadly.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #129 posted 10/13/21 9:30am

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Graycap23 said:



SoulAlive said:


It's interesting that a thread that asks a simple question ("is Elvis overrated?") has turned into an ugly,complicated mess eek



It wouldn't be the org without it.....sadly.



Yep.
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Reply #130 posted 10/13/21 12:37pm

SoulAlive

Graycap23 said:

SoulAlive said:

It's interesting that a thread that asks a simple question ("is Elvis overrated?") has turned into an ugly,complicated mess eek

It wouldn't be the org without it.........sadly.

true

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Reply #131 posted 10/13/21 1:11pm

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Yes mj hung out with every demographic and not the boys narrative. The sale joke was done in poor taste
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Reply #132 posted 10/13/21 4:13pm

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My only 2 strikes against Elvis is that he NEVER wrote or composed any of his songs AND he never had a world tour [EXAMPLE: Elvis never tour Europe].

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Reply #133 posted 10/13/21 4:21pm

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jjhunsecker said:

As a singer, I would rate Elvis 10 out of 10. His only true peers in post 1955 popular music in terms of vocal talent are Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, and perhaps Sam Cooke and Marvin Gaye. As for writing songs, Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald and Tony Bennett and Dionne Warwick and Whitney Houston and Patsy Cline and Barbra Streisand wrote very little if any as well. Even with Aretha, the majority of her greatest performances were of songs written by other people.

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Apart of Aretha [who actually was given a real clown as the Queen Of Soul!], none of those artists were ever given titles of kings or queens of anything. And in Elvis defence, he never asked or demanded the "King Of R&R" title to be placed on him. But that didn't stop a few [racially motivated?!?] marks from doing so at the expense of a given a symbolic slap in the faces of any black artists that were more deserving of titles.

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Reply #134 posted 10/13/21 4:25pm

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PJMcGee said:

Once I was in the car with my dad and Heartbreak Hotel came on. Um, Elvis's version. It struck me that the song was sexy. I asked if people initially thought it was devil music, it was that sexual. He said they did. Note that my dad was a big fan of early Elvis, but hated his corny movies. To anyone who thinks Prince was bigger than Elvis (one orger said it recently), the dude made 31 movies, most of them no better than Prince's two clunkers. 31! In the 1960s alone he had 25 movies! Fun fact: Elvis died in August 1977. The next month, Prince started recording his debut album. When god closes a door...

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Reply #135 posted 10/13/21 4:27pm

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There was a lot more going on with Elvis becoming an icon than just talent. It had a lot to do with timing and image. He was the first white artist to bring black music to the white world and be so successful at it that it would change the sound of music forever. Yeah, previous to him, there were people like the goodie two shoes Pat Boone...who would steal Little Richard songs, slow them down, and make them sound rhythmless and dorky...but Elvis (young Elvis...not the ridiculous cape wearing Captain Marvel Elvis that he later became), kept the rhythm up as best as he could, and unlike Pat Boone, he didn't sing them in a way that sounded like a white Sunday School teacher leading the class in a song. He was a handsome, sharp dressed, hip swinging, cool motherfucker. Elvis the Pelvis honey. In others, something the white world had never seen before in music....a badass.

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A lot of parents didn't like him, a lot of radio didn't like him, and I've seen clips of radio DJs smashing rock and roll records claiming they were not going to let them corrupt the minds of their children with this....and yes, they actually say the racial slur over the air...of the group of people that rock and roll music actually belonged to. I think that's what gets on my nerves the most when I hear people today who refuse to admit that today's music actually does suck and make statements like.... "Every generation hated the new generation's music and thought it sucked.".... Oh no honey, they hated it for completely different reasons than we hate current music.

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Anyway, regardless of the opposition, the kids picked up on it and it grew into a huge mainstream genre. Actually, I think the opposition may have even helped it grow because when kids reach their rebellious age, if parents and society tell them not to do something, that makes it more mysterious and appealing to them and they're going to do it.

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Elvis definitely knew how to look and conduct himself like a badass superstar, no argument there. nod

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Reply #136 posted 10/13/21 4:30pm

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Graycap23 said:

SoulAlive said:

It's interesting that a thread that asks a simple question ("is Elvis overrated?") has turned into an ugly,complicated mess eek

It wouldn't be the org without it.........sadly.

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Exactly! lol

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Reply #137 posted 10/13/21 4:30pm

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TonyVanDam said:

AND he never had a world tour [EXAMPLE: Elvis never tour Europe].

The rumor was that Colonel Tom Parker was wanted by the law somewhere in Europe, so obviously he would not want to go there to book concerts.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #138 posted 10/14/21 12:45am

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MickyDolenz said:

TonyVanDam said:

AND he never had a world tour [EXAMPLE: Elvis never tour Europe].

The rumor was that Colonel Tom Parker was wanted by the law somewhere in Europe, so obviously he would not want to go there to book concerts.

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Sad but true. nod And I also blame that same Colonel Parker for thinking having Elivs in Las Vegas for so long was ever a bright idea.

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Reply #139 posted 10/14/21 5:58am

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As a singer, I would rate Elvis 10 out of 10. His only true peers in post 1955 popular music in terms of vocal talent are Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, and perhaps Sam Cooke and Marvin Gaye. As for writing songs, Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald and Tony Bennett and Dionne Warwick and Whitney Houston and Patsy Cline and Barbra Streisand wrote very little if any as well. Even with Aretha, the majority of her greatest performances were of songs written by other people.

I was actually surprised at how great his voice was. I always thought he was mediocre, until I heard his version of unchained melody......well, his voice was actually amazing.

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Reply #140 posted 10/14/21 6:14am

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SantanaMaitreya said:
Idiotic comparisons? May I remind you that the first post you made on this thread was not about Elvis, but about Michael Jackson. As soon as folks say something about Jacko the all the Jacko fans come in and go all mad mad pissed
The funniest thing about it was that I was making it very clear how big a Michael Jackson fan I am but still, any perceived slight against the man has a certain section of his fanbase up in arms. Fucking hilarious, really.

It's exactly why I distanced myself from that base years ago. I still love his music, his showmanship but that's about it.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."

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Reply #141 posted 10/14/21 11:53am

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TonyVanDam said:



jjhunsecker said:


As a singer, I would rate Elvis 10 out of 10. His only true peers in post 1955 popular music in terms of vocal talent are Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, and perhaps Sam Cooke and Marvin Gaye. As for writing songs, Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald and Tony Bennett and Dionne Warwick and Whitney Houston and Patsy Cline and Barbra Streisand wrote very little if any as well. Even with Aretha, the majority of her greatest performances were of songs written by other people.

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Apart of Aretha [who actually was given a real clown as the Queen Of Soul!], none of those artists were ever given titles of kings or queens of anything. And in Elvis defence, he never asked or demanded the "King Of R&R" title to be placed on him. But that didn't stop a few [racially motivated?!?] marks from doing so at the expense of a given a symbolic slap in the faces of any black artists that were more deserving of titles.



Frank Sinatra was called “The Chairman of the Board”
Patsy Cline was known as “The Queen of Country Music “

And I said a few times on here that Elvis was given more attention and accolades because he was both White and good looking. However, that should not be used in the opposite direction to diminish his talent either
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Reply #142 posted 10/14/21 11:57am

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MickyDolenz said:



TonyVanDam said:


AND he never had a world tour [EXAMPLE: Elvis never tour Europe].



The rumor was that Colonel Tom Parker was wanted by the law somewhere in Europe, so obviously he would not want to go there to book concerts.



Allegedly, Col. Parker had jumped a freight ship from his native Holland when it was docked in America when he was a young man, and as an illegal immigrant, he was afraid to apply for a passport. Hence, he never wanted to leave America and Elvis never toured abroad (which would have been massively lucrative for him)
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Reply #143 posted 10/14/21 12:03pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:



jjhunsecker said:


As a singer, I would rate Elvis 10 out of 10. His only true peers in post 1955 popular music in terms of vocal talent are Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, and perhaps Sam Cooke and Marvin Gaye. As for writing songs, Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald and Tony Bennett and Dionne Warwick and Whitney Houston and Patsy Cline and Barbra Streisand wrote very little if any as well. Even with Aretha, the majority of her greatest performances were of songs written by other people.

I was actually surprised at how great his voice was. I always thought he was mediocre, until I heard his version of unchained melody.....well, his voice was actually amazing.



And consider this: that version of “Unchained Melody “ was recorded about a month before he died ! Fat, bloated, sick.... and still singing his ass off !!!

The problem with Elvis is that the image and the political have taken attention away from the artistry
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Reply #144 posted 10/15/21 10:32pm

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All I know is I like Return To Sender

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Reply #145 posted 10/16/21 7:42am

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EmmaMcG said:


SantanaMaitreya said:
Idiotic comparisons? May I remind you that the first post you made on this thread was not about Elvis, but about Michael Jackson. As soon as folks say something about Jacko the all the Jacko fans come in and go all mad mad pissed

The funniest thing about it was that I was making it very clear how big a Michael Jackson fan I am but still, any perceived slight against the man has a certain section of his fanbase up in arms. Fucking hilarious, really.

It's exactly why I distanced myself from that base years ago. I still love his music, his showmanship but that's about it.



Just wanted to make one thing clear: I have never been a fan of “Jacko”, and neither has anyone I am associated with, family members, friends, etc. “Jacko” is considered a racist and derogatory term, started by the British media. I AM and have been a fan of MICHAEL JACKSON for 40++ years. To call Michael “Jacko” is not only disrespectful to him, it’s disrespectful to his millions and millions of fans, and his family and children. If anyone is too immature or ignorant or insensitive to understand what I just posted, then YOU have a problem. Simple as that.🤔😎
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Reply #146 posted 10/24/21 1:20am

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Nuff said about MJ on this thread: Elvis is the King!

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #147 posted 10/24/21 1:22am

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If only the Org would have an 'ignore' button... lol

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #148 posted 10/24/21 11:54am

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He's one of our greatest singers ever, his songs are amazing, he was an amazing performer, he was...are we actually debating this??

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #149 posted 10/24/21 2:48pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

He's one of our greatest singers ever, his songs are amazing, he was an amazing performer, he was...are we actually debating this??


I know he was great but many talk about him like he the end all be all of music.
Personally I would rate both MJ and Prince higher up than elvis
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