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Thread started 10/01/21 9:38am

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A song with probably the greatest guitar solo ever: Toto, I Won't Hold You Back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k1RUGWkf9o

Simple solo, but lovely.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #1 posted 10/01/21 11:38am

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I play a Yacht Rock station on Amazon Music all the time. This song rotates regularly. The other day it came on and I thought, "wow, this really is just a beautiful song." It's so cinematic, and the chord progression is interesting.

It came out in 1983, so it was likely written a year or two before. There's a period in music there, right at that time, where chord ideas in music changed a bit. You still had that yacht rock sorta progression from Doobie Brothers, Air Supply, or Chicago. It was popular up to the start of the 80s. You sorta knew what you were getting, even though the songs from that era are just fantastic.

But in that period, you also get newer progressions, different ideas in pop music, and these sorta songs took a back seat. Sure, there were a few bleed throughs in the next few years, but in general, it was a period of change. "I Won't Hold You Back" really straddled the line between the two. It feels newer, but it also has a consistent late 70s soft rock feel to it. (Again, see Air Supply "Making Love Out Of Nothing At All," etc.)

To the solo itself, I also think it's great because it feels natural. When you hear it, it's like "of course that's what it's supposed to sound like!" It's not just "let's put a solo here," it's "this is the only solo for this song." It's melodic, compliments the song, and isn't there for it's own glory. It's just so inherent to the song, you can't imagine a version without it.

Toto IV seems to be a seminal album for them. The shuffle on "Rosanna," the keyboards and rhythms on "Africa," plus "I Won't Hold You Back" as a whole. "Make Believe" sounds like a Billy Joel outtake. "Waiting For Your Love" is purely infectious. The vocals are stellar, and that rhythm is just as catchy as "Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)" by The Jacksons.

Interestingly, they were struggling to have a hit album. They delayed putting IV out because - and wait for it - they were session musicians for Thriller and Chicago 16. (There's the crossover between the old and new happening, too.) So it seems serendipity let IV come out at just the right time. And that songs like "I Won't Hold You Back" was exactly what the music scene needed.

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Reply #2 posted 10/08/21 6:56pm

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Lukather goes hard on Jacksons "wait". I use to think Tito played it LOL.

That is a beast of a song and solo!

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Reply #3 posted 10/09/21 8:39am

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That Toto IV Album is amazing. It is the "Pre-Thriller" since they went on to make such stellar contributions on Thriller.

And yes...such a tastefull solo...just amazing.

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Reply #4 posted 10/09/21 6:59pm

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DonRants said:

That Toto IV Album is amazing. It is the "Pre-Thriller" since they went on to make such stellar contributions on Thriller.

And yes...such a tastefull solo...just amazing.

I love Lukather's chunky riffs on "Beat it". Eddie Van Halen gets all the glory though (and so he should). True, a few other session guitarist coulda done his part, but it's cool it's still him though

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Reply #5 posted 10/14/21 7:25am

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The solo fits, good take.

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Reply #6 posted 10/14/21 10:43am

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It's interesting Toto and Jackson never toured together.

And to address the pre-Thriller comment: there's some truth in that. Toto finished their album and released it in April 1982. Thriller's process started in April 1982. So Toto was really on their game at that point. They were gelling, they had spent months together getting their record together, then just kept their own momentum going for the Thriller sessions.

I don't know about much cross pollenation there, but the sheer professionalism and inner-cohesiveness of them shined through on Thriller as well as IV.


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