MotownSubdivision said:

jjhunsecker said:

MotownSubdivision said:

jjhunsecker said:

Unfortunately, way too many Black people were willing to give him a pass for decades, and make excuses for this scumbag . I’m the first person to say that inequality exists in the justice system, but sometimes a person- even a Black man/ is just an animal who needs to be held accountable for their actions

This clip should sum things up: https://youtu.be/cmNGC6tXnbM

This kind of takes me back to a Soul Train awards show a few years back when

Erykah Badu mumbled some nonsense about R.Kelly doing more for black people

than anybody alive.

onlyforaminute said:

RODSERLING said:

But they're are all acting like gold digger to me. When you spend years with someone who urinates or shit on you lol, or you have a memtal issue, or you're just making it for the money.

Or you have been threatened and trapped

If he's guilty then let him rot in jail.

RODSERLING said:

I m watching Surviving R Kelly ( I love that title ), I m through épisode 4.

Frankly, all these girls, designated as "survivors", spent their " Interview " Playing act and pretending to cry, always wIping her face, just to show they are crying.

"OMG, I was recruiting 14 years old girl for him, but I didn't know"
" OMG, I was making love with R amd a young girl, but when she told me she was 14, then I stopped...making love with her. But I still make love to R, in the house where was his wife"

His wife : " There were tons of minor young girls in my house but I didn't know "

"OMG, I presented my niece to him, she was 12 years, I wanted her to be a star, I knew he loved minors, but I didn't know..."

" OMG, I stole one of his sextape with a minor, oh I didn't know, I gave it to somebody else, oh but I didn't know he was going to sell it on the market, etc. "

Well, of course, R Kelly should be condamn to have sex with young girs.
But they're are all acting like gold digger to me.
When you spend years with someone who urinates or shit on you lol, or you have a memtal issue, or you're just making it for the money.

They removed all his official channels from YouTube so you can't stream his catalogue or watch his music videos anymore.

It's a bit creeepy how far-reaching that is and the implications that will have for future cancel culture.... Did they remove Cosby clips when he was sentenced? Woody Allen movies? (Actually, YouTube is streaming Annie Hall free with ads on their official YouTube Movies page right now). Harvey Weinstein productions?

[Edited 10/7/21 17:19pm]

WhisperingDandelions said:

It's a shame he wasn't found guilty years ago. We could have avoided years of horrible music.

vainandy said:

vainandy said:

It's a shame he wasn't found guilty years ago. We could have avoided years of horrible music.

The thing is for me I was never a fan of his, sorry, back then I just couldnt deal with a lot of 90's music especially RB, I know people will get mad at me for that, but to me that was when you lost BANDS in the genre, and dont say Mint Condition, thats one, but I am talking of that whole focus of the live band element on the records. It seemed every RB group was a carbon copy of Boyz II Men, and not denying that these guys could all sing, it was just so repitioius it was really how people felt about the later 80's when you had ALL of these Hair Metal groups after a few hit it big, everyone was getting signed, and it was always the same, first song ROCK second single BALLAD on to the next. So that was how I really viewed a lot of 90s RB, I always didnt like the constant remixes of songs, the merger of rap on top of your single to sell it, regardless of who did it first, it got tired very quick. But as this all happened I feel you also lost the days of a songwriter, and you had songwriting teams, and I am not talking teams like a duo I am talking twelve people to write a song, all this layering and beats etc....it just lost me, and R Kelly was the big seller and often compared to PRINCE and I laughed then at that, and I still laugh to this day, how you compare R Kelly to a Musician Artist like PRINCE, and this is not about SELLING I could care less what Kelly sold in comparison to Prince or singles or charts etc....I am talking comparing them on a level of creativity is a F in JOKE.

lastdecember said:

The thing is for me I was never a fan of his, sorry, back then I just couldnt deal with a lot of 90's music especially RB, I know people will get mad at me for that, but to me that was when you lost BANDS in the genre, and dont say Mint Condition, thats one, but I am talking of that whole focus of the live band element on the records. It seemed every RB group was a carbon copy of Boyz II Men, and not denying that these guys could all sing, it was just so repitioius it was really how people felt about the later 80's when you had ALL of these Hair Metal groups after a few hit it big, everyone was getting signed, and it was always the same, first song ROCK second single BALLAD on to the next. So that was how I really viewed a lot of 90s RB, I always didnt like the constant remixes of songs, the merger of rap on top of your single to sell it, regardless of who did it first, it got tired very quick. But as this all happened I feel you also lost the days of a songwriter, and you had songwriting teams, and I am not talking teams like a duo I am talking twelve people to write a song, all this layering and beats etc....it just lost me, and R Kelly was the big seller and often compared to PRINCE and I laughed then at that, and I still laugh to this day, how you compare R Kelly to a Musician Artist like PRINCE, and this is not about SELLING I could care less what Kelly sold in comparison to Prince or singles or charts etc....I am talking comparing them on a level of creativity is a F in JOKE.

I somewhat agree with this sentiment.

Sometimes I wonder if the love for 90's R&B has more to do with hindsight over anything else.

Now I like 90's R&B, but I absolutely LOVE it in comparison to what passes for current R&B.

And I never got the genius tag put on the likes of R Kelly, Babyface and Teddy Riley back in the day, though I suppose I can give a pass to Riley for "creating" new jack swing (I don't know if that's actually confirmed or not).

lastdecember said:

The thing is for me I was never a fan of his, sorry, back then I just couldnt deal with a lot of 90's music especially RB, I know people will get mad at me for that, but to me that was when you lost BANDS in the genre, and dont say Mint Condition, thats one, but I am talking of that whole focus of the live band element on the records. It seemed every RB group was a carbon copy of Boyz II Men, and not denying that these guys could all sing, it was just so repitioius it was really how people felt about the later 80's when you had ALL of these Hair Metal groups after a few hit it big, everyone was getting signed, and it was always the same, first song ROCK second single BALLAD on to the next. So that was how I really viewed a lot of 90s RB, I always didnt like the constant remixes of songs, the merger of rap on top of your single to sell it, regardless of who did it first, it got tired very quick. But as this all happened I feel you also lost the days of a songwriter, and you had songwriting teams, and I am not talking teams like a duo I am talking twelve people to write a song, all this layering and beats etc....it just lost me, and R Kelly was the big seller and often compared to PRINCE and I laughed then at that, and I still laugh to this day, how you compare R Kelly to a Musician Artist like PRINCE, and this is not about SELLING I could care less what Kelly sold in comparison to Prince or singles or charts etc....I am talking comparing them on a level of creativity is a F in JOKE.

Well I agree with you pretty much. There were a few other R&B bands like MC labelmates

Sounds Of Blackness and LoKey as well as The Brand New Heavies. In fact when Jimmy Jam and

Terry Lewis started their own label Perspective/A&M they were told bands like Mint Condition wouldn't

work in that era of 90's R&B. All of those bands proved them wrong.

To CynicKill's point about R.Kelly being labeled a genius I can remember one funny moment.

I had a guy I worked with was playing a R&B hip hop radio station and they premiered R.Kelly's

Trapped In The Closet song. After the song the disc jockeys were going on and on about how he's

such a genius for creating that trash. I'm scratching my head what the hell is so genius about

that.

Babyface is a great producer. Not sure I would give him the genius tag especially since a lot of his

production is one dimensional. Even listening to the Deele's Eyes Of A Stranger I hear future TLC in

it.

lastdecember said:

The thing is for me I was never a fan of his, sorry, back then I just couldnt deal with a lot of 90's music especially RB, I know people will get mad at me for that, but to me that was when you lost BANDS in the genre, and dont say Mint Condition, thats one, but I am talking of that whole focus of the live band element on the records. It seemed every RB group was a carbon copy of Boyz II Men, and not denying that these guys could all sing, it was just so repitioius it was really how people felt about the later 80's when you had ALL of these Hair Metal groups after a few hit it big, everyone was getting signed, and it was always the same, first song ROCK second single BALLAD on to the next. So that was how I really viewed a lot of 90s RB, I always didnt like the constant remixes of songs, the merger of rap on top of your single to sell it, regardless of who did it first, it got tired very quick. But as this all happened I feel you also lost the days of a songwriter, and you had songwriting teams, and I am not talking teams like a duo I am talking twelve people to write a song, all this layering and beats etc....it just lost me, and R Kelly was the big seller and often compared to PRINCE and I laughed then at that, and I still laugh to this day, how you compare R Kelly to a Musician Artist like PRINCE, and this is not about SELLING I could care less what Kelly sold in comparison to Prince or singles or charts etc....I am talking comparing them on a level of creativity is a F in JOKE.

I agree. I hate that decade with a passion. I wish I could just wake up one morning like Pam from "Dallas" and find out that the entire decade was just a dream. But if I turn on the radio, it slaps me back to reality that it existed. The music world never recovered from that decade.

CynicKill said:

lastdecember said:

The thing is for me I was never a fan of his, sorry, back then I just couldnt deal with a lot of 90's music especially RB, I know people will get mad at me for that, but to me that was when you lost BANDS in the genre, and dont say Mint Condition, thats one, but I am talking of that whole focus of the live band element on the records. It seemed every RB group was a carbon copy of Boyz II Men, and not denying that these guys could all sing, it was just so repitioius it was really how people felt about the later 80's when you had ALL of these Hair Metal groups after a few hit it big, everyone was getting signed, and it was always the same, first song ROCK second single BALLAD on to the next. So that was how I really viewed a lot of 90s RB, I always didnt like the constant remixes of songs, the merger of rap on top of your single to sell it, regardless of who did it first, it got tired very quick. But as this all happened I feel you also lost the days of a songwriter, and you had songwriting teams, and I am not talking teams like a duo I am talking twelve people to write a song, all this layering and beats etc....it just lost me, and R Kelly was the big seller and often compared to PRINCE and I laughed then at that, and I still laugh to this day, how you compare R Kelly to a Musician Artist like PRINCE, and this is not about SELLING I could care less what Kelly sold in comparison to Prince or singles or charts etc....I am talking comparing them on a level of creativity is a F in JOKE.

I somewhat agree with this sentiment.

Sometimes I wonder if the love for 90's R&B has more to do with hindsight over anything else.

Now I like 90's R&B, but I absolutely LOVE it in comparison to what passes for current R&B.

And I never got the genius tag put on the likes of R Kelly, Babyface and Teddy Riley back in the day, though I suppose I can give a pass to Riley for "creating" new jack swing (I don't know if that's actually confirmed or not).

Yeah its like that for many genres, I mean not too long ago "POP" music was Stevie Wonder Hall and Oates and Paul Simon and then it was Madonna and Prince and MJ and George Michael. Now its Beiber and Drake and Megan. So I have a disconnect with a lot of 90's artists especially in RB it just got too cluttered too fast with labels signing three guys who could harmonize with their shirts open. And this is NOT just the way it happened to 90's RB, it was what happened to the so called "Hair Metal" and even Grunge and also the POP of the Britney era, I mean every label was looking for the cute young girl or the guy group, its like anything else, lets see how much we can milk this.

vainandy said:

CynicKill said:

MotownSubdivision said:

CynicKill said:

I somewhat agree with this sentiment.

Sometimes I wonder if the love for 90's R&B has more to do with hindsight over anything else.

Now I like 90's R&B, but I absolutely LOVE it in comparison to what passes for current R&B.

And I never got the genius tag put on the likes of R Kelly, Babyface and Teddy Riley back in the day, though I suppose I can give a pass to Riley for "creating" new jack swing (I don't know if that's actually confirmed or not).

70s and 80s were the best decades for R&B. Things started slipping into that beige smoothness in the 80s but overall, you had a very colorful decade for the genre. I like the 90s to but I can't cosign when people claim that to be the last good decade for R&B. However, at least the brothers and sisters could SANG. Today the closest we got to an R&B singer is a 40 year old Beyoncé. Outside of her, the genre of R&B is solely represented by throwbacks to the 70s and 80s or that pseudo-rapping talk-sing stuff or actual rapping that's done over dull, minimalist production because we have no actual (black) singers being promoted to that magnitude anymore. It's like the industry is saying singers having true vocal talents and God forbid, soul is passe. It can't be anything else when you got people saying with full conviction that GD Billie Eilish is a good singer. [Edited 10/11/21 12:17pm]

I guess you have to play the comparison game here.

In other words she's better than everybody else on pop radio.

She's selling anquish and ennui, which she nails.

Meh.

CynicKill said:

vainandy said:

It's a shame he wasn't found guilty years ago. We could have avoided years of horrible music.

.

But remember, R. Kelly's debut single Vibe is THE only uptempo song in his entire career. I thought you would like that one.

lastdecember said:

The thing is for me I was never a fan of his, sorry, back then I just couldnt deal with a lot of 90's music especially RB, I know people will get mad at me for that, but to me that was when you lost BANDS in the genre, and dont say Mint Condition, thats one, but I am talking of that whole focus of the live band element on the records. It seemed every RB group was a carbon copy of Boyz II Men, and not denying that these guys could all sing, it was just so repitioius it was really how people felt about the later 80's when you had ALL of these Hair Metal groups after a few hit it big, everyone was getting signed, and it was always the same, first song ROCK second single BALLAD on to the next. So that was how I really viewed a lot of 90s RB, I always didnt like the constant remixes of songs, the merger of rap on top of your single to sell it, regardless of who did it first, it got tired very quick. But as this all happened I feel you also lost the days of a songwriter, and you had songwriting teams, and I am not talking teams like a duo I am talking twelve people to write a song, all this layering and beats etc....it just lost me, and R Kelly was the big seller and often compared to PRINCE and I laughed then at that, and I still laugh to this day, how you compare R Kelly to a Musician Artist like PRINCE, and this is not about SELLING I could care less what Kelly sold in comparison to Prince or singles or charts etc....I am talking comparing them on a level of creativity is a F in JOKE.

.

1. Lets be perfectly clear that Jodeci was NOTHING like Boyz II Men.

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2. At least New Jack & Jill Swing, a subgenre invented by Teddy Riley & Keith Sweat, was uptempo most of the time. Even the slow jams from that subgenre still has grooves.

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3. With that said, I still agree with you. Robert Kelly should have NEVER been mention in the same sentence as Prince Rogers Nelson at all.

Yeah dang, I went to YT to watch the video for 'Bad Man' for old time's sake and it's gone, all his HD stuff has been scrubbed. This is definitely a sound The Pied Pisser of R&Pee has never heard before: a toilet flushing.

vainandy said:

It's a shame he wasn't found guilty years ago. We could have avoided years of horrible music.

Yeah, preferably some day just before he wrote and released "I Believe I Can Fly"!