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Reply #30 posted 09/17/21 11:27am

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Streaming will change in the future hopefully. A whole album filling up the Billboard 200 will only go on for so long. It doesnt make sense. They should only count a single.

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Reply #31 posted 09/17/21 12:10pm

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Streaming will change in the future hopefully. A whole album filling up the Billboard 200 will only go on for so long. It doesnt make sense. They should only count a single.

Or maybe just have seperate charts.

They can have a nonsense streaming chart and have a physical sales chart.

Once people look at that and notice the difference they won't be so quick to come up with these new record breaking stats every other week.

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Reply #32 posted 09/17/21 3:38pm

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CynicKill said:



paisleypark4 said:


Streaming will change in the future hopefully. A whole album filling up the Billboard 200 will only go on for so long. It doesnt make sense. They should only count a single.



Or maybe just have seperate charts.


They can have a nonsense streaming chart and have a physical sales chart.


Once people look at that and notice the difference they won't be so quick to come up with these new record breaking stats every other week.




With the 75000 charts there are now, it befuddled me how there is not one purely for streams.

We got a Songs of Summer chart but not a Hot Streams chart lol

...or do we?
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Reply #33 posted 09/17/21 4:49pm

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CynicKill said:

They can have a nonsense streaming chart and have a physical sales chart.

How would that work for singles? Since very few songs are released as a physical single today. I see some new release 45s at the local record store. But they're mostly oldies hits (ig. Beatles) and local bands/singers or picture discs/colored vinyl for Record Store Day. The Adult R&B chart is based primarily on radio airplay for that format. Still nobody has bought anything. People are just listening to the songs on the radio. Even with a paid download, there's no physical CD/tape/record.

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Reply #34 posted 09/18/21 9:02am

CynicKill

MickyDolenz said:

CynicKill said:

They can have a nonsense streaming chart and have a physical sales chart.

How would that work for singles? Since very few songs are released as a physical single today. I see some new release 45s at the local record store. But they're mostly oldies hits (ig. Beatles) and local bands/singers or picture discs/colored vinyl for Record Store Day. The Adult R&B chart is based primarily on radio airplay for that format. Still nobody has bought anything. People are just listening to the songs on the radio. Even with a paid download, there's no physical CD/tape/record.

I misspoke.

I meant actual sales, rather physical or digital.

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Reply #35 posted 09/18/21 9:49am

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I meant actual sales, rather physical or digital.

You can still buy any song from an album with digital, not only a designated radio single. So not much different from streaming. In the past only a song released as a 45 or maxi single could chart. The B-side could also chart. Album tracks could not chart on the singles chart in Billboard, even if it got radio airplay, like Isn't She Lovely by Stevie Wonder. Today a certain amount of streams is the equivalent of an album sale. Like recently Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album reentered the Top 10 albums chart because of the popularity of a TikTok video with Dreams in it.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #36 posted 09/18/21 11:47am

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CynicKill said:

I meant actual sales, rather physical or digital.

You can still buy any song from an album with digital, not only a designated radio single. So not much different from streaming. In the past only a song released as a 45 or maxi single could chart. The B-side could also chart. Album tracks could not chart on the singles chart in Billboard, even if it got radio airplay, like Isn't She Lovely by Stevie Wonder. Today a certain amount of streams is the equivalent of an album sale. Like recently Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album reentered the Top 10 albums chart because of the popularity of a TikTok video with Dreams in it.

I believe its 1600 streams equals one sale but don't ask me how they came up with the calculus for that.

But no one can convince me to compare today's figures with figures from the past no matter how persuasive the arguement.

At the end of the day listening to a song isn't the same as buying it.

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Reply #37 posted 09/18/21 11:55am

CynicKill

How did Drake and Kanye get into a fight but Lil Nas X came out the winner?

Lil Nas X shares “MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name)” with heartfelt letter  penned to his younger self

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Reply #38 posted 09/18/21 12:20pm

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CynicKill said:

How did Drake and Kanye get into a fight but Lil Nas X came out the winner?

Lil Nas X shares “MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name)” with heartfelt letter  penned to his younger self

Maybe because he did a collabo with BTS a little while back. razz The BTS Army is currently way bigger than Drake & Kanye. Like Snoop Dogg blew up again when he did a song with Psy.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #39 posted 09/19/21 9:20am

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CynicKill said:

MickyDolenz said:

You can still buy any song from an album with digital, not only a designated radio single. So not much different from streaming. In the past only a song released as a 45 or maxi single could chart. The B-side could also chart. Album tracks could not chart on the singles chart in Billboard, even if it got radio airplay, like Isn't She Lovely by Stevie Wonder. Today a certain amount of streams is the equivalent of an album sale. Like recently Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album reentered the Top 10 albums chart because of the popularity of a TikTok video with Dreams in it.

I believe its 1600 streams equals one sale but don't ask me how they came up with the calculus for that.

But no one can convince me to compare today's figures with figures from the past no matter how persuasive the arguement.

At the end of the day listening to a song isn't the same as buying it.

Exactly you cannot compare it at all. I dont care how much people spin the argument into thats how its consumed now OK thats a valid point but I dont want to hear a Drake Beatles comparison because he charted more singles. Each era or how the music is consumed can and should be compared or ranked in that respect. Listening is not buying like you said, and that is it 100%, listening is how its done pretty much,its a rental, also you dont technically have to even listen to more than 30 seconds of a song for it to count as a stream. So whether people like it or not, there is no comparison of how BIG the beatles were when you had to buy to when say Drake Or Nicki Minaj etc..and you didnt have to buy anything but a monthly subsrciption to listen to music. Also streaming is a bloated number because of course once you have the song you like you play it over and over and the more thats done it counts as a sale, (to me thats still BS) where as once you bought and paid for a single or album thats it you were counted and how many people were going to buy mulitple copies of something? that didnt happen till the 49 cent single war with Mariah and Destinys Child. IMagne once you imported a song into your library as a stream not purchase, that was it no more counts, so if you played a song 100 times a week it still registers as one because its already done. If this was the way youd hear some major complaints from the services and artists who get mega streams, and the services make tons of money on the advertising on their services using the artists.


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Reply #40 posted 09/21/21 8:05am

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TLDR: it’s hard to know where “back in my day” age garbage ends and “the talent of today is legitimately making crappy music compared to yesterday-year begins”.

It’s hard to know where age/nostalgia kicks in and legit disparities in artistry and talent arise, because art is so subjective. I just have a really hard time putting folks like Kanye, Drake, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars etc as “todays” versions of Prince, Madonna, MJ, etc. Or even Smokey, Aretha, Stevie, Carole King, Paul Simon, etc.

Sales and charts also are virtually meaningless today when you compare them to yesterday. Breaking a billboard record that someone used to have isn’t the same as breaking a sports record.

Im amazed at the amount of songs and albums by virtual unknowns or one hit wonders that sound amazing compared to the stuff of today.

The good news is it’s easy to tune out the actual music. I listen to what I like and just don’t f’ with the rest.
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Reply #41 posted 09/21/21 9:16am

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Superstition said:

TLDR: it’s hard to know where “back in my day” age garbage ends and “the talent of today is legitimately making crappy music compared to yesterday-year begins”.

It’s hard to know where age/nostalgia kicks in and legit disparities in artistry and talent arise, because art is so subjective. I just have a really hard time putting folks like Kanye, Drake, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars etc as “todays” versions of Prince, Madonna, MJ, etc. Or even Smokey, Aretha, Stevie, Carole King, Paul Simon, etc.

Sales and charts also are virtually meaningless today when you compare them to yesterday. Breaking a billboard record that someone used to have isn’t the same as breaking a sports record.

Im amazed at the amount of songs and albums by virtual unknowns or one hit wonders that sound amazing compared to the stuff of today.

The good news is it’s easy to tune out the actual music. I listen to what I like and just don’t f’ with the rest.
Just curious, how old are you?
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Reply #42 posted 09/21/21 10:30am

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I listened to a Drake feature last night, Partynextdoor's Come and See Me. Its a good song. He can make good songs most of em can but don't.

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Reply #43 posted 09/21/21 7:55pm

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Superstition said:

TLDR: it’s hard to know where “back in my day” age garbage ends and “the talent of today is legitimately making crappy music compared to yesterday-year begins”. It’s hard to know where age/nostalgia kicks in and legit disparities in artistry and talent arise, because art is so subjective. I just have a really hard time putting folks like Kanye, Drake, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars etc as “todays” versions of Prince, Madonna, MJ, etc. Or even Smokey, Aretha, Stevie, Carole King, Paul Simon, etc. Sales and charts also are virtually meaningless today when you compare them to yesterday. Breaking a billboard record that someone used to have isn’t the same as breaking a sports record. Im amazed at the amount of songs and albums by virtual unknowns or one hit wonders that sound amazing compared to the stuff of today. The good news is it’s easy to tune out the actual music. I listen to what I like and just don’t f’ with the rest.

For me, it was the mid 2000s when I felt things were changing for the worse, especially for R&B and hip-hop. I'm 60, and it's strictly old-school for me. Kanye, Drake, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars, Cardi B, etc....you can have 'em. biggrin

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Reply #44 posted 09/21/21 9:36pm

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MotownSubdivision said:

Superstition said:

TLDR: it’s hard to know where “back in my day” age garbage ends and “the talent of today is legitimately making crappy music compared to yesterday-year begins”.

It’s hard to know where age/nostalgia kicks in and legit disparities in artistry and talent arise, because art is so subjective. I just have a really hard time putting folks like Kanye, Drake, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars etc as “todays” versions of Prince, Madonna, MJ, etc. Or even Smokey, Aretha, Stevie, Carole King, Paul Simon, etc.

Sales and charts also are virtually meaningless today when you compare them to yesterday. Breaking a billboard record that someone used to have isn’t the same as breaking a sports record.

Im amazed at the amount of songs and albums by virtual unknowns or one hit wonders that sound amazing compared to the stuff of today.

The good news is it’s easy to tune out the actual music. I listen to what I like and just don’t f’ with the rest.
Just curious, how old are you?


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Reply #45 posted 09/25/21 9:51am

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Isn't drake Larry grahams.. nephew?
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Reply #46 posted 09/25/21 9:45pm

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Hot bearded guy + “woe is me” music = instant seller lol

The only Drake song I listened from start to finish, was “Hotline Bling” because of the Timmy Thomas sample, and that ALL that I can take from him.
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Reply #47 posted 10/01/21 1:36pm

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Graycap23 said:

I simply don't understand his success. He has the most irrating voice I've ever heard on record.

he selling way more than prince....Prince was on top for 1 year {1984)Drake been on top 6 years now

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Reply #48 posted 10/01/21 1:39pm

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Graycap23 said:


I simply don't understand his success. He has the most irrating voice I've ever heard on record.



he selling way more than prince....Prince was on top for 1 year {1984)Drake been on top 6 years now



So what if he sold more than prince? Most of it comes from streams anyways
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Reply #49 posted 10/01/21 1:41pm

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alphastreet said:

funkman88 said:

he selling way more than prince....Prince was on top for 1 year {1984)Drake been on top 6 years now

So what if he sold more than prince? Most of it comes from streams anyways

thsat means he is better ....he even has his own 747 plane....prince had to charter his lil 4 seat planes poor guy.

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Reply #50 posted 10/01/21 2:17pm

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funkman88 said:



alphastreet said:


funkman88 said:


he selling way more than prince....Prince was on top for 1 year {1984)Drake been on top 6 years now



So what if he sold more than prince? Most of it comes from streams anyways

thsat means he is better ....he even has his own 747 plane....prince had to charter his lil 4 seat planes poor guy.



Stop trolling lol
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Reply #51 posted 10/02/21 9:44am

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alphastreet said:

funkman88 said:

thsat means he is better ....he even has his own 747 plane....prince had to charter his lil 4 seat planes poor guy.

Stop trolling lol

not trolling its facts stop being a trumper

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Reply #52 posted 10/04/21 8:41pm

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I just read an article with Nsync's Chris Kirkpatrick reacting to Drake's "TSU," in which fuckboy samples Nsync's cover of "Sailing" (a 1980 yacht rock hit for Christopher Cross). Kirkpatrick said he loved it. I listened to part of it. Fuckboy could've used keyboards with voice parts (like a choir patch) and had a richer and fuller sound on that song. Something with texture, something rich. But instead it sounds like utter fucking shit.

Then I thought - these assholes like fuckboy-Drake or Kanye wouldn't have a career if it weren't for sampling someone else's work. And I get that sampling is part of hip-hop culture. It goes back to the streets; a turntable and a speaker. I get all that.

In the 21st century, when people try to hail these jackoffs as revolutionaries or something, how about they actually do something revolutionary?? Is that too much to ask? And hey, if fuckboy or whoever can't come up with something revolutionary, then at least just be good at your chosen craft. Have a personality, have something to back up your quasi-swagger. Be something more than the hype. Be a reason for the hype.

Fuckboy is making and using the same production that has been used for a good decade. Thin snares, rapid highhats, weird bass sounds. It's been done to fucking death. Kanye isn't revolutionary with that one record a few years ago. Even Rick Rubin said what Kanye came to the studio with was a fucking mess, a hodge podge of samples and faded ideas that he struggled to produce into an album that Kanye could release. Kanye isn't some troubled genius. He's a ego-maniac. If stringing together a bunch of samples of other people's work makes one a revolutionary, then all of us who made stilly mixtapes, etc., in the 80s on our stereoes or boomboxes are fucking revolutionaries, too. (If anything, we did it the harder way because we didn't have a computer to copy & paste with. LOL)



Put fuckboy or Kanye in a room with real instruments and nothing but an analog recording board and a stack of fresh tape, and let's see what they do after 24 hours.



Hahahahahahaha pretty accurate name calling on the Drake thing. Kanye has put out some great music and no joke his records he did with Common alone are admirable, but admittedly he is a mess of a human being. I don't know how I feel about him past knowing without a doubt he is more talented and skilled of a producer than most, even if I don't connect with his work and he is a slave holder apologist (insane that I just had to type that).

Trivial - I gotta make some new threads that are entertaining- what other artists do you hate?
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Reply #53 posted 10/04/21 9:36pm

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Hey I called him fuckboy first
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Reply #54 posted 10/16/21 8:07am

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Why Drake Actually Threatened Legal Action Over His Degrassi: The Next Generation Character
by Adreon Patterson | October 15, 2021 | Cinemablend

Millions of people know Drake as a dominant force in music and pop culture. But before he was one of rap’s biggest stars, Millennials and Gen Z knew him as Jimmy Brooks during his seven-season stint on Degrassi: The Next Generation. While on the classic teen drama, his character went through multiple changes, including being paralyzed after a school shooting. While many praised Drake’s acting after the turn, the rap superstar didn’t see it that way. The situation grew so problematic for him that he almost took legal action against the series, according to a Degrassi: TNG writer.

Jimmy Brooks becoming wheelchair-bound was the result of the Season 4 two-parter “Time Stands Still,” which saw bullied student Rick Murray shoot him in the back. While the episodes were praised, Jimmy’s disposition started to affect Drake’s burgeoning rap career in later seasons. So, it led him to take an extreme measure that didn’t go over well. Veteran Degrassi: TNG writer James Hurst revealed to A.V. Club how a legal letter from the rap superstar (whose full name is Aubrey Drake Graham) inspired a pivotal conversation about his character’s importance.

Hurst: There was a letter from a law firm in Toronto, and it was from Aubrey. It was an odd letter that said, “Aubrey Graham will not return to Degrassi season six as Jimmy Brooks unless his injury is healed, and he’s out of the wheelchair.” I said, “Get him down here.” He came in and was like, “What letter? I don’t know about that.” And I said, “All right, I understand. But how do you feel about the wheelchair?” He’s like, “All my friends in the rap game say I’m soft because I’m in a wheelchair.” And I said, “Well, tell your friends in the rap game that you got shot. How much harder can you get? You got shot, and you’re in a wheelchair.” He was like, “Yeah, yeah.” He was so nice and apologetic about everything. He instantly backed down. I was very passionate about it, and I said, “Aubrey, there’s some kid somewhere in a wheelchair, who’s completely ignored, who’s never on television, never gets represented.” I need you to represent this person. You’re the coolest kid on the show, and you can say there’s nothing wrong with being in a wheelchair.”

At least, James Hurst was able to avoid a crisis for the series. He was able to bring in the “street credit” element for Drake to embrace his character’s circumstances. Once you think about it, what’s Degrassi: The Next Generation without Jimmy Brooks? Drake’s struggle playing Jimmy Brooks wasn’t a private one as his cast members took notice. Former castmate Lauren Collins may not have witnessed Drake’s image problem but did see his physical struggle. The Degrassi: TNG alum recalled the rap superstar struggling with his wheelchair.

Collins: I think [Aubrey] struggled, just physically with having to all of a sudden do everything confined to a chair. That was really hard for him. I definitely have a few memories of him toppling the chair over and falling off of makeshift ramps that they’d constructed for him.

Knowing Drake’s behind-the-scenes struggle put his time on Degrassi: The Next Generation in a better perspective. Playing Jimmy in his new circumstances after the shooting would take a toll on a performer. This wasn’t the first time Drake’s issues with the cult classic have been addressed. While the rap superstar eventually moved on, he has embraced Degrassi: TNG’s impact on his career in recent years. Maybe all this Degrassi talk will lead to a reunion or possible reboot in the future. In the meantime, you can watch the entire series on Prime Video.

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