Streaming will change in the future hopefully. A whole album filling up the Billboard 200 will only go on for so long. It doesnt make sense. They should only count a single. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Or maybe just have seperate charts. They can have a nonsense streaming chart and have a physical sales chart. Once people look at that and notice the difference they won't be so quick to come up with these new record breaking stats every other week.
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Or maybe just have seperate charts. They can have a nonsense streaming chart and have a physical sales chart. Once people look at that and notice the difference they won't be so quick to come up with these new record breaking stats every other week.
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How would that work for singles? Since very few songs are released as a physical single today. I see some new release 45s at the local record store. But they're mostly oldies hits (ig. Beatles) and local bands/singers or picture discs/colored vinyl for Record Store Day. The Adult R&B chart is based primarily on radio airplay for that format. Still nobody has bought anything. People are just listening to the songs on the radio. Even with a paid download, there's no physical CD/tape/record. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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I misspoke. I meant actual sales, rather physical or digital.
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You can still buy any song from an album with digital, not only a designated radio single. So not much different from streaming. In the past only a song released as a 45 or maxi single could chart. The B-side could also chart. Album tracks could not chart on the singles chart in Billboard, even if it got radio airplay, like Isn't She Lovely by Stevie Wonder. Today a certain amount of streams is the equivalent of an album sale. Like recently Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album reentered the Top 10 albums chart because of the popularity of a TikTok video with Dreams in it. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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I believe its 1600 streams equals one sale but don't ask me how they came up with the calculus for that. But no one can convince me to compare today's figures with figures from the past no matter how persuasive the arguement. At the end of the day listening to a song isn't the same as buying it.
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How did Drake and Kanye get into a fight but Lil Nas X came out the winner? | |
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Maybe because he did a collabo with BTS a little while back. The BTS Army is currently way bigger than Drake & Kanye. Like Snoop Dogg blew up again when he did a song with Psy. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Exactly you cannot compare it at all. I dont care how much people spin the argument into thats how its consumed now OK thats a valid point but I dont want to hear a Drake Beatles comparison because he charted more singles. Each era or how the music is consumed can and should be compared or ranked in that respect. Listening is not buying like you said, and that is it 100%, listening is how its done pretty much,its a rental, also you dont technically have to even listen to more than 30 seconds of a song for it to count as a stream. So whether people like it or not, there is no comparison of how BIG the beatles were when you had to buy to when say Drake Or Nicki Minaj etc..and you didnt have to buy anything but a monthly subsrciption to listen to music. Also streaming is a bloated number because of course once you have the song you like you play it over and over and the more thats done it counts as a sale, (to me thats still BS) where as once you bought and paid for a single or album thats it you were counted and how many people were going to buy mulitple copies of something? that didnt happen till the 49 cent single war with Mariah and Destinys Child. IMagne once you imported a song into your library as a stream not purchase, that was it no more counts, so if you played a song 100 times a week it still registers as one because its already done. If this was the way youd hear some major complaints from the services and artists who get mega streams, and the services make tons of money on the advertising on their services using the artists. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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TLDR: it’s hard to know where “back in my day” age garbage ends and “the talent of today is legitimately making crappy music compared to yesterday-year begins”. It’s hard to know where age/nostalgia kicks in and legit disparities in artistry and talent arise, because art is so subjective. I just have a really hard time putting folks like Kanye, Drake, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars etc as “todays” versions of Prince, Madonna, MJ, etc. Or even Smokey, Aretha, Stevie, Carole King, Paul Simon, etc. Sales and charts also are virtually meaningless today when you compare them to yesterday. Breaking a billboard record that someone used to have isn’t the same as breaking a sports record. Im amazed at the amount of songs and albums by virtual unknowns or one hit wonders that sound amazing compared to the stuff of today. The good news is it’s easy to tune out the actual music. I listen to what I like and just don’t f’ with the rest. | |
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Superstition said: TLDR: it’s hard to know where “back in my day” age garbage ends and “the talent of today is legitimately making crappy music compared to yesterday-year begins”. Just curious, how old are you?It’s hard to know where age/nostalgia kicks in and legit disparities in artistry and talent arise, because art is so subjective. I just have a really hard time putting folks like Kanye, Drake, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars etc as “todays” versions of Prince, Madonna, MJ, etc. Or even Smokey, Aretha, Stevie, Carole King, Paul Simon, etc. Sales and charts also are virtually meaningless today when you compare them to yesterday. Breaking a billboard record that someone used to have isn’t the same as breaking a sports record. Im amazed at the amount of songs and albums by virtual unknowns or one hit wonders that sound amazing compared to the stuff of today. The good news is it’s easy to tune out the actual music. I listen to what I like and just don’t f’ with the rest. | |
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I listened to a Drake feature last night, Partynextdoor's Come and See Me. Its a good song. He can make good songs most of em can but don't. if it was just a dream, call me a dreamer 2 | |
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For me, it was the mid 2000s when I felt things were changing for the worse, especially for R&B and hip-hop. I'm 60, and it's strictly old-school for me. Kanye, Drake, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars, Cardi B, etc....you can have 'em. | |
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MotownSubdivision said: Superstition said: TLDR: it’s hard to know where “back in my day” age garbage ends and “the talent of today is legitimately making crappy music compared to yesterday-year begins”. Just curious, how old are you?It’s hard to know where age/nostalgia kicks in and legit disparities in artistry and talent arise, because art is so subjective. I just have a really hard time putting folks like Kanye, Drake, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars etc as “todays” versions of Prince, Madonna, MJ, etc. Or even Smokey, Aretha, Stevie, Carole King, Paul Simon, etc. Sales and charts also are virtually meaningless today when you compare them to yesterday. Breaking a billboard record that someone used to have isn’t the same as breaking a sports record. Im amazed at the amount of songs and albums by virtual unknowns or one hit wonders that sound amazing compared to the stuff of today. The good news is it’s easy to tune out the actual music. I listen to what I like and just don’t f’ with the rest. 37 | |
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Isn't drake Larry grahams.. nephew? | |
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Hot bearded guy + “woe is me” music = instant seller The only Drake song I listened from start to finish, was “Hotline Bling” because of the Timmy Thomas sample, and that ALL that I can take from him. | |
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he selling way more than prince....Prince was on top for 1 year {1984)Drake been on top 6 years now | |
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he selling way more than prince....Prince was on top for 1 year {1984)Drake been on top 6 years now So what if he sold more than prince? Most of it comes from streams anyways | |
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thsat means he is better ....he even has his own 747 plane....prince had to charter his lil 4 seat planes poor guy. | |
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thsat means he is better ....he even has his own 747 plane....prince had to charter his lil 4 seat planes poor guy. Stop trolling | |
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not trolling its facts stop being a trumper [Edited 10/2/21 9:52am] | |
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TrivialPursuit said: I just read an article with Nsync's Chris Kirkpatrick reacting to Drake's "TSU," in which fuckboy samples Nsync's cover of "Sailing" (a 1980 yacht rock hit for Christopher Cross). Kirkpatrick said he loved it. I listened to part of it. Fuckboy could've used keyboards with voice parts (like a choir patch) and had a richer and fuller sound on that song. Something with texture, something rich. But instead it sounds like utter fucking shit.
Put fuckboy or Kanye in a room with real instruments and nothing but an analog recording board and a stack of fresh tape, and let's see what they do after 24 hours. Hahahahahahaha pretty accurate name calling on the Drake thing. Kanye has put out some great music and no joke his records he did with Common alone are admirable, but admittedly he is a mess of a human being. I don't know how I feel about him past knowing without a doubt he is more talented and skilled of a producer than most, even if I don't connect with his work and he is a slave holder apologist (insane that I just had to type that). Trivial - I gotta make some new threads that are entertaining- what other artists do you hate? | |
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Hey I called him fuckboy first | |
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Why Drake Actually Threatened Legal Action Over His Degrassi: The Next Generation Character You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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