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Thread started 08/14/21 4:57pm

JabarR74

Justin Timberlake - Until The End Of Time: Which Version Is Better?

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Reply #1 posted 08/14/21 5:33pm

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I love Justin and I love Beyonce, but this slapped together duet is horrible.

Wasn't there some other duet slapped together like that in recent years? It wasn't JT and MJ on "Love Never Felt So Good," in case that's what you're thinking. It was someone else that kinda came in later.


Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #2 posted 08/14/21 7:51pm

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The Beyonce and prince duet that should have happened and didn’t. Justin didn’t deserve a prince like beat and appropriating his sound after throwing him under the bus
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Reply #3 posted 08/14/21 8:07pm

Free2BMe

The remake with Justin and Beyonce is Fire!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Reply #4 posted 08/14/21 8:09pm

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alphastreet said:

The Beyonce and prince duet that should have happened and didn’t. Justin didn’t deserve a prince like beat and appropriating his sound after throwing him under the bus


When did Justin throw Prince under the bus? I’ve never seen him do anything except revere and honor Prince.🤔
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Reply #5 posted 08/14/21 8:56pm

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Free2BMe said:

alphastreet said:

The Beyonce and prince duet that should have happened and didn’t. Justin didn’t deserve a prince like beat and appropriating his sound after throwing him under the bus


When did Justin throw Prince under the bus? I’ve never seen him do anything except revere and honor Prince.🤔


He dissed him in the song give it to me
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Reply #6 posted 08/14/21 9:23pm

Free2BMe

alphastreet said:

Free2BMe said:



When did Justin throw Prince under the bus? I’ve never seen him do anything except revere and honor Prince.🤔


He dissed him in the song give it to me


Hmm. I’ll have to listen to that song.
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Reply #7 posted 08/14/21 9:32pm

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alphastreet said:

Free2BMe said:



When did Justin throw Prince under the bus? I’ve never seen him do anything except revere and honor Prince.🤔


He dissed him in the song give it to me


I just listened to the song. Is this the one by Timbaland, featuring Nelly Furtado and Justin Timberlake? If so, I saw NOTHING that dissed Prince or threw him under the bus. What am I missing? Or is this just another excuse for people to throw Justin under the bus? Btw, I am not a Justin fan, however I do like some of his music.
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Reply #8 posted 08/14/21 9:36pm

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alphastreet said:

Free2BMe said:
When did Justin throw Prince under the bus? I’ve never seen him do anything except revere and honor Prince.🤔
He dissed him in the song give it to me


Prince made the diss first, Justin answered back. Prince said, "sexy never left," in response to Justin's "Sexyback." (Prince's statement wasn't even a diss, it's just Prince being Prince.)

Justin said, "If sexy never left, then why's everybody on my shi-i-i-t? / Don't hate on me just because you didn't come up with it."

He also allegedly dissed Janet, "Could you speak up and stop mu-mumbling, I don't think you came in clear / When you're sittin' on the top, it's hard to hear you from way up here / I saw you tryin' to act cute on TV, 'Just let me clear the air...' / We missed you on the charts last week, damn, that's right you wasn't there."

Not sure if that's the truth or not about Janet.

But y'all are fragile AF. Grow up.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #9 posted 08/14/21 9:50pm

alphastreet

Actually I like a lot of his music, just think he’s a shitty person who doesn’t respect those who came before him
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Reply #10 posted 08/15/21 9:16am

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Adore.

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Reply #11 posted 08/15/21 11:29am

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alphastreet said:

Actually I like a lot of his music, just think he’s a shitty person who doesn’t respect those who came before him


He was a successful young guy when he made a lot of those remarks. Anybody who experiences non stop success at such a young age is bound to develop a bit of an ego. And sometimes that ego can lead to saying things in the heat of the moment that you later regret. I'm not saying JT regrets any of those comments but it's clear that he has a massive respect for Prince these days. There are loads of videos where he praises Prince's music and influence on his own work. So it's not really fair to label him as a "shitty person" for something he said years ago, before he had a chance to grow up a bit.
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Reply #12 posted 08/15/21 11:34am

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EmmaMcG said:

alphastreet said:

Actually I like a lot of his music, just think he’s a shitty person who doesn’t respect those who came before him


He was a successful young guy when he made a lot of those remarks. Anybody who experiences non stop success at such a young age is bound to develop a bit of an ego. And sometimes that ego can lead to saying things in the heat of the moment that you later regret. I'm not saying JT regrets any of those comments but it's clear that he has a massive respect for Prince these days. There are loads of videos where he praises Prince's music and influence on his own work. So it's not really fair to label him as a "shitty person" for something he said years ago, before he had a chance to grow up a bit.


While we’re on the subject, it was shitty what he did to Janet too. Won’t make excuses for him being young and successful since it humbled others in the same position
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Reply #13 posted 08/15/21 2:00pm

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alphastreet said:

EmmaMcG said:



He was a successful young guy when he made a lot of those remarks. Anybody who experiences non stop success at such a young age is bound to develop a bit of an ego. And sometimes that ego can lead to saying things in the heat of the moment that you later regret. I'm not saying JT regrets any of those comments but it's clear that he has a massive respect for Prince these days. There are loads of videos where he praises Prince's music and influence on his own work. So it's not really fair to label him as a "shitty person" for something he said years ago, before he had a chance to grow up a bit.


While we’re on the subject, it was shitty what he did to Janet too. Won’t make excuses for him being young and successful since it humbled others in the same position


He apologised for the Janet thing though?

I'm not exactly a fan of Timberlake so I'm not defending him for anything. But there's far too much virtue signaling going on these days from people who have no idea what it's like to be in a successful, young person's position and rather than applaud them for showing signs of maturity and humility as they get older, you judge them for who they were when they were young.
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Reply #14 posted 08/15/21 3:30pm

alphastreet

Well, I would hope he matured as a person since that time
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Reply #15 posted 08/15/21 6:50pm

Free2BMe

alphastreet said:

EmmaMcG said:



He was a successful young guy when he made a lot of those remarks. Anybody who experiences non stop success at such a young age is bound to develop a bit of an ego. And sometimes that ego can lead to saying things in the heat of the moment that you later regret. I'm not saying JT regrets any of those comments but it's clear that he has a massive respect for Prince these days. There are loads of videos where he praises Prince's music and influence on his own work. So it's not really fair to label him as a "shitty person" for something he said years ago, before he had a chance to grow up a bit.


While we’re on the subject, it was shitty what he did to Janet too. Won’t make excuses for him being young and successful since it humbled others in the same position


What did he do to Janet? Justin was not the one who had her costume designed. She did. The person who designed her costume said that It was designed to be torn away exposing the breast, thus the nipple ring. That was no wardrobe malfunction. It was meant to happen. I have never understood why Janet has never admitted her fault in that episode. She has sat back all these years and never came out and admitted that she knew what happened. Even two of her brothers told Entertainment Tonight( I saw their interview) that Janet was going to surprise everyone during her performance. The bottomline is that she tried to pull a “Madonna”and shock everyone. She never thought in a million years that people would have reacted like they did. She thought the act would be shocking and controversial but she never thought she would receive the backlash that she did. IF People had not overreacted and accepted that performance, Janet would never have come up with “wardrobe malfunction” excuse. Justin has apologized. I never would have apologized for something that I didn’t plan. He is not the reason that the public and Jeff Moonves blackballed Janet.
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Reply #16 posted 08/16/21 12:27am

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Free2BMe said:


What did he do to Janet? Justin was not the one who had her costume designed. She did. The person who designed her costume said that It was designed to be torn away exposing the breast, thus the nipple ring.


That's a lie.

Next...

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #17 posted 08/16/21 2:55am

Free2BMe

TrivialPursuit said:



Free2BMe said:



What did he do to Janet? Justin was not the one who had her costume designed. She did. The person who designed her costume said that It was designed to be torn away exposing the breast, thus the nipple ring.


That's a lie.

Next...



According to the designer who did an interview with Entertainment Tonight, it was designed to be torn away exposing the breast. They even showed how it was sewn together and demonstrated how it was supposed to be pulled off in one full piece, There is footage of this. It was also noted in the interview that the nipple ring was worn specifically because the costume was made to expose the breast and nipple ring. If you weren’t around during that time don’t tell me what I saw and heard first hand. I’m not going by heresay, I’m going by what the designer said AT THAT TIME. Janet knew this and so did Jermaine and Randy who bragged backstage that Janet was going to SHOCK everybody. Do you actually think they would have said that if ONLY the lace part of that costume was going to be shown? Some things just take common sense, AND according to the designer, this is what Janet planned with the costume. I actually don’t think Justin knew that the entire cup was going to come away like that. You would have had to see footage of what the designer showed on TV to know that this entire stunt was perceived and planned by Janet. The designer designed the costume as SHE wanted it. It was no accident. The only thing that went wrong was the UNEXPECTED reaction. Janet thought that she could cause controversy like Madonna; however, she forgot that she was a black woman and the public would never accept that from her. If this had happened today, I don’t think it would have had the same reaction. Bottomline, is that Justin is not the reason for exposing Janet’s breast and nipple ring.She planned it that way and it bsckfired. Simple as thst.
[Edited 8/16/21 2:58am]
[Edited 8/16/21 3:00am]
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Reply #18 posted 08/16/21 3:33am

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Free2BMe said:

TrivialPursuit said:


That's a lie.

Next...

According to the designer who did an interview with Entertainment Tonight, it was designed to be torn away exposing the breast. They even showed how it was sewn together and demonstrated how it was supposed to be pulled off in one full piece, There is footage of this. It was also noted in the interview that the nipple ring was worn specifically because the costume was made to expose the breast and nipple ring. If you weren’t around during that time don’t tell me what I saw and heard first hand. I’m not going by heresay, I’m going by what the designer said AT THAT TIME. Janet knew this and so did Jermaine and Randy who bragged backstage that Janet was going to SHOCK everybody. Do you actually think they would have said that if ONLY the lace part of that costume was going to be shown? Some things just take common sense, AND according to the designer, this is what Janet planned with the costume. I actually don’t think Justin knew that the entire cup was going to come away like that. You would have had to see footage of what the designer showed on TV to know that this entire stunt was perceived and planned by Janet. The designer designed the costume as SHE wanted it. It was no accident. The only thing that went wrong was the UNEXPECTED reaction. Janet thought that she could cause controversy like Madonna; however, she forgot that she was a black woman and the public would never accept that from her. If this had happened today, I don’t think it would have had the same reaction. Bottomline, is that Justin is not the reason for exposing Janet’s breast and nipple ring.She planned it that way and it bsckfired. Simple as thst. [Edited 8/16/21 2:58am] [Edited 8/16/21 3:00am]



Of course, I agree that's how it went down. It's so obvious and anybody who thinks there was a "wardrobe malfunction" is most likely a delusional JJ fan.

But still, JT didn't exactly leap to her defense when it backfired. Nor did it impact his career the way it did Janet's, which irks people, as it reeks of white male privilege.

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Reply #19 posted 08/16/21 9:37am

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I remember them talking about some surprises before the show, but I’m not so sure it was exposing the breast. Just my opinion. Anyways, it felt like Justin got away with it
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Reply #20 posted 08/16/21 10:14am

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alphastreet said:

I remember them talking about some surprises before the show, but I’m not so sure it was exposing the breast. Just my opinion. Anyways, it felt like Justin got away with it


Got away with what, exactly?
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Reply #21 posted 08/16/21 10:38am

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EmmaMcG said:

alphastreet said:
I remember them talking about some surprises before the show, but I’m not so sure it was exposing the breast. Just my opinion. Anyways, it felt like Justin got away with it
Got away with what, exactly?


I think they mean that Janet got 95% of the brunt of that incident, Justin just sorta walked away from it and had a career. Leslie Moonves, the then-head of CBS, black listed Janet. No CBS radio stations played her music, she couldn't get a video anywhere it seems. She ended up on b-list talk shows like Tyra Banks (although she did later go on Oprah, but Oprah controls her own shit). Moonves was even pissed when he found out she put a book out in 2011, cussing, "How did we miss that?!"

So much of America, and the world, views Black women as the lowest in the pecking order. And with a white man next to her, she was the defacto scapegoat. Frankly, I fully believe the backlash against her was only 30% about her breast. The rest was white supremacy. I wrote about it on my Medium page. If Britney's titty had popped out a few years before when she was i the halftime show, the furor over it would've lasted what...a couple of weeks maybe? Janet's went on for years.

Timberlake got away with no consequences, and frankly I still don't know that he gets it. Although in recent months, his statements about race seem to be a bit more enlightened.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #22 posted 08/16/21 11:54am

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TrivialPursuit said:



EmmaMcG said:


alphastreet said:
I remember them talking about some surprises before the show, but I’m not so sure it was exposing the breast. Just my opinion. Anyways, it felt like Justin got away with it

Got away with what, exactly?


I think they mean that Janet got 95% of the brunt of that incident, Justin just sorta walked away from it and had a career. Leslie Moonves, the then-head of CBS, black listed Janet. No CBS radio stations played her music, she couldn't get a video anywhere it seems. She ended up on b-list talk shows like Tyra Banks (although she did later go on Oprah, but Oprah controls her own shit). Moonves was even pissed when he found out she put a book out in 2011, cussing, "How did we miss that?!"

So much of America, and the world, views Black women as the lowest in the pecking order. And with a white man next to her, she was the defacto scapegoat. Frankly, I fully believe the backlash against her was only 30% about her breast. The rest was white supremacy. I wrote about it on my Medium page. If Britney's titty had popped out a few years before when she was i the halftime show, the furor over it would've lasted what...a couple of weeks maybe? Janet's went on for years.

Timberlake got away with no consequences, and frankly I still don't know that he gets it. Although in recent months, his statements about race seem to be a bit more enlightened.



I'm sure her race played a part in the backlash but her last name might have had a lot to do with it too. The Jacksons have always come under close scrutiny and that was a particularly bad time to be a Jackson due to what was happening with her brother at the time. Then there's her age to be taken into account. If Britney got her tits out at the Superbowl in 2004 people would have been only too happy to see them. It had been a long time since Janet was considered a sex symbol, you know. I do think that there's some truth to what others have said about Janet trying to pull off a Madonna-type publicity stunt and it backfiring on her. For a multitude of reasons.

It's unfortunate how things turned out for her but I don't see how Justin Timberlake had anything to do with it. If it had been Usher performing with Janet instead I doubt he'd have been treated any differently to JT. I mean, there's no reason why JT should face any consequences for what happened. He didn't do anything wrong. Janet shouldn't have been punished either, to be fair, but the fact that she was and JT wasn't is not Timberlake's fault.
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Reply #23 posted 08/16/21 5:02pm

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EmmaMcG said:

It's unfortunate how things turned out for her but I don't see how Justin Timberlake had anything to do with it. If it had been Usher performing with Janet instead I doubt he'd have been treated any differently to JT.

Well that might be because Justin & Usher are male. Chris Brown never stopped getting radio airplay after the Rihanna incident (and had a recent hit single), but the Dixie Chicks got banned from many country radio stations because of a comment about Dubya. Gene Simmons & Kanye West say all kinds of things, it never hurt their career. I wonder if Justin would have had the same outcome with today's cancel culture/me too generation.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #24 posted 08/17/21 1:11am

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EmmaMcG said:


It's unfortunate how things turned out for her but I don't see how Justin Timberlake had anything to do with it. If it had been Usher performing with Janet instead I doubt he'd have been treated any differently to JT.

Well that might be because Justin & Usher are male. Chris Brown never stopped getting radio airplay after the Rihanna incident (and had a recent hit single), but the Dixie Chicks got banned from many country radio stations because of a comment about Dubya. Gene Simmons & Kanye West say all kinds of things, it never hurt their career. I wonder if Justin would have had the same outcome with today's cancel culture/me too generation.



Like I said before, Justin Timberlake didn't actually do anything wrong so there's no reason for him to be cancelled. But I suppose that wouldn't stop him from being cancelled these days anyway.

The Dixie Chicks thing was a political reason though right? I'm not familiar with them or the situation but I would have thought that anyone making negative comments about a republican president would be frowned upon by certain country music stations.
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