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Reply #30 posted 07/19/21 11:29pm

woogiebear

With EVERY Singer AFTER Aaron Hall PROBABLY influenced by Mr. Wilson, and w/R-Uh Kelly behind Bars, Aaron Hall M.I.A. & almost every other R&B Singer on the verge of doin' somethin' STUPID (except Joe or Kem)...........Charlie Wilson has the Lane SEWN UP!!!!

Stevie Wonder vs. Errrbody STILL tho'!!!!

lol lol lol lol

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Reply #31 posted 07/20/21 12:49am

ReddBlitz

I get as to where many are coming from, but that particular era and sound is looooong gone. That brand of sound has the potential in being a presence on the scene once again, but it'll have to be in full demand by the majority people. Also, Wilson has nothing more to prove. Artists are still trying to do what him and his brothers did over 30 and 40 years ago.
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Reply #32 posted 07/20/21 12:59pm

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New work is always compared to old work. I think if he was retreading funk he had done before, it would get criticized too. Artists can't win, especially when real creativity and the tenets of funk are not rewarded (financially). I am admiring Prince more and more for doing the kind of music he wanted to do and we wanted to hear, in the face of pop culture whims.

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Reply #33 posted 07/21/21 3:49am

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Cinny said:

New work is always compared to old work. I think if he was retreading funk he had done before, it would get criticized too. Artists can't win, especially when real creativity and the tenets of funk are not rewarded (financially). I am admiring Prince more and more for doing the kind of music he wanted to do and we wanted to hear, in the face of pop culture whims.

Exactly. Very well put smile

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Reply #34 posted 07/21/21 9:13am

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Cinny said:

Artists can't win, especially when real creativity and the tenets of funk are not rewarded (financially).

It's doubtful those funk bands in the 1970s with 10 members in them made a lot of money. There was a reason many of them downsized in the 1980s or they just stopped getting signed. The major labels didn't put the same amount of money in promoting R&B as they did rock n roll. Rock was the big money maker, rock acts were more likely to have their concerts filmed too. Funk mainly got mainstream audience recognition when it was considered disco in the late 1970s. Or when acts like INXS or Red Hot Chili Peppers did it.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #35 posted 07/21/21 12:58pm

Cinny

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MickyDolenz said:

Cinny said:

Artists can't win, especially when real creativity and the tenets of funk are not rewarded (financially).

It's doubtful those funk bands in the 1970s with 10 members in them made a lot of money. There was a reason many of them downsized in the 1980s or they just stopped getting signed. The major labels didn't put the same amount of money in promoting R&B as they did rock n roll. Rock was the big money maker, rock acts were more likely to have their concerts filmed too. Funk mainly got mainstream audience recognition when it was considered disco in the late 1970s. Or when acts like INXS or Red Hot Chili Peppers did it.

That's probably true. I wasn't there!

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Reply #36 posted 07/21/21 1:31pm

MickyDolenz

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Cinny said:

That's probably true. I wasn't there!

Charlie said The Gap Band made very little money. He said Lonnie Simmons took most of the record royalties and their tour money too. Their houses/cars at the time were under Lonnie's name. Yarbrough And Peoples said the same thing about Lonnie on Unsung. They were signed to Total Experience. Charlie also said that Lonnie sabotaged their RCA album (Round Trip) after they left Lonnie's label. I'm guessing that they get royalties today, especially since the Wilson brothers were added as songwriters on Uptown Funk by Bruno Mars. The money isn't going through Lonnie like in the 1980s. Lonnie passed 2 or 3 years ago. Technically, the Gap Band had more members than just the brothers, they were the face of the group. It's like people think Sade is a solo singer, but they're really a band named after the singer. The difference is that the 3 guys in Sade are considered official members, but the other Gap Band members aren't, although some of the other Gap members wrote/co-wrote some of the songs.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #37 posted 07/21/21 4:18pm

SoulAlive

Where’s Vainandy at? lol we all know what he would be saying on a thread like this,lol
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Reply #38 posted 07/23/21 12:27am

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There were a few select R&B/Funk bands that did make money. It all depended on who they let put hands on their money.

The Commodores, EWF, P-Funk, Rick James and the Stone City Band, the Isleys, and the Ohio Players were all major players in the 70's.

These groups sold albums and toured extensively. P-Funk sometimes took drugs as payment in lieu

of money. Satch was trusted as the secretary of OP's financial matters and he blew it all on women and drugs which caused other members to have their cars and houses seized by the IRS.

Even some of them who didn't make as much from album sales like Maze, Cameo, Barkays, ConFunkshun, Zapp, etc toured yearly. Maze and the Barkays were usually part of the popular

Budweiser Superfest tours. A lot of the rock acts who made more money blew their money on drugs too mainly the hair bands.

Don't laugh at my funk
This funk is a serious joint
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Reply #39 posted 07/23/21 7:13am

Cinny

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phunkdaddy said:

There were a few select R&B/Funk bands that did make money. It all depended on who they let put hands on their money.

The Commodores, EWF, P-Funk, Rick James and the Stone City Band, the Isleys, and the Ohio Players were all major players in the 70's.

These groups sold albums and toured extensively. P-Funk sometimes took drugs as payment in lieu

of money. Satch was trusted as the secretary of OP's financial matters and he blew it all on women and drugs which caused other members to have their cars and houses seized by the IRS.

Even some of them who didn't make as much from album sales like Maze, Cameo, Barkays, ConFunkshun, Zapp, etc toured yearly. Maze and the Barkays were usually part of the popular

Budweiser Superfest tours. A lot of the rock acts who made more money blew their money on drugs too mainly the hair bands.


My point was the market has changed, and the money, whoever wants to steal it or earn it, isn't there like it was in the 1970's.

The odd Bruno Mars single isn't the same as a gang of bands at once.

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Reply #40 posted 07/23/21 7:45am

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Cinny said:

My point was the market has changed, and the money, whoever wants to steal it or earn it, isn't there like it was in the 1970's.

The odd Bruno Mars single isn't the same as a gang of bands at once.

Other than maybe Maroon 5 & Jonas Brothers, bands of any type aren't that popular on today's Top 40 radio, it's mostly rap. There's bands on country radio though. R&B bands on the radio mostly died out when New Jack Swing hit in the late 1980s. Even on Adult R&B, the new songs are primarily by solo singers like Kem, Jaheim, Bruno Mars, & H.E.R., not bands. But it was the rise of hip hop that really changed popular R&B. Hip hop got the mainstream acceptance that R&B never really got. The main R&B chart has been called R&B/Hip Hop for years now.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #41 posted 07/23/21 8:49am

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Cinny said:



phunkdaddy said:


There were a few select R&B/Funk bands that did make money. It all depended on who they let put hands on their money.


The Commodores, EWF, P-Funk, Rick James and the Stone City Band, the Isleys, and the Ohio Players were all major players in the 70's.


These groups sold albums and toured extensively. P-Funk sometimes took drugs as payment in lieu


of money. Satch was trusted as the secretary of OP's financial matters and he blew it all on women and drugs which caused other members to have their cars and houses seized by the IRS.


Even some of them who didn't make as much from album sales like Maze, Cameo, Barkays, ConFunkshun, Zapp, etc toured yearly. Maze and the Barkays were usually part of the popular


Budweiser Superfest tours. A lot of the rock acts who made more money blew their money on drugs too mainly the hair bands.




My point was the market has changed, and the money, whoever wants to steal it or earn it, isn't there like it was in the 1970's.

The odd Bruno Mars single isn't the same as a gang of bands at once.




I agree. It changed over 25 years ago. Occasionally a few of those bands may come
out with something decent but funk the way the org knew it in the 70's and 80's
is over. Hell these artists rarely even use live horns on their records anymore which was a huge part of funk in the 70's as well as the bass. All you have currently is a few acts like Bruno Mars recycling funk.
Don't laugh at my funk
This funk is a serious joint
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Reply #42 posted 07/23/21 10:37am

Graycap23

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phunkdaddy said:

Cinny said:


My point was the market has changed, and the money, whoever wants to steal it or earn it, isn't there like it was in the 1970's.

The odd Bruno Mars single isn't the same as a gang of bands at once.

I agree. It changed over 25 years ago. Occasionally a few of those bands may come out with something decent but funk the way the org knew it in the 70's and 80's is over. Hell these artists rarely even use live horns on their records anymore which was a huge part of funk in the 70's as well as the bass. All you have currently is a few acts like Bruno Mars recycling funk.

P-funk releases a new cd every 2 or 4 years.........and it's GREAT.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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