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Reply #30 posted 06/27/21 9:45am

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I think when it's big time celebrity, it is more often a curse. When it starts with as a child or adolescent, it is almost always a curse. When it is a young person who initially eats up the attention due to their own lifelong insecurities, it is almost always tragic (e.r., Britney, Princess Di, Marlin Monroe, Amy Winehouse, etc. . This is one reason I root for Taylor Swift, who is in the high risk category but may just not only surviving it but seems to flourishing as of late.

What probably helps Taylor Swift cope with the madness of extreme fame is that she seems to have come from a strong family structure, whereas many of the people you mentioned- and a lot more- had issues that fame just magnified

Good point. It could be a life saver.

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Reply #31 posted 06/27/21 9:42pm

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gandorb said:



jjhunsecker said:


gandorb said:

I think when it's big time celebrity, it is more often a curse. When it starts with as a child or adolescent, it is almost always a curse. When it is a young person who initially eats up the attention due to their own lifelong insecurities, it is almost always tragic (e.r., Britney, Princess Di, Marlin Monroe, Amy Winehouse, etc. . This is one reason I root for Taylor Swift, who is in the high risk category but may just not only surviving it but seems to flourishing as of late.



What probably helps Taylor Swift cope with the madness of extreme fame is that she seems to have come from a strong family structure, whereas many of the people you mentioned- and a lot more- had issues that fame just magnified


Good point. It could be a life saver.



I agree. However large Taylor’s fame is, it doesn’t compare to the fame that Michael attained. We also must remember that Taylor is not receiving the jealousy and backlash that Michael received because he was the biggest star in the world AND a black man who did things, broke records, etc. that no one else had ever done. The fame, popularity, madness that surrounded Michael will never be seen again, IMO. Therefore, it’s hard to compare ANYONE’S situation to his.
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Reply #32 posted 06/28/21 3:57am

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gandorb said:



jjhunsecker said:


gandorb said:

I think when it's big time celebrity, it is more often a curse. When it starts with as a child or adolescent, it is almost always a curse. When it is a young person who initially eats up the attention due to their own lifelong insecurities, it is almost always tragic (e.r., Britney, Princess Di, Marlin Monroe, Amy Winehouse, etc. . This is one reason I root for Taylor Swift, who is in the high risk category but may just not only surviving it but seems to flourishing as of late.



What probably helps Taylor Swift cope with the madness of extreme fame is that she seems to have come from a strong family structure, whereas many of the people you mentioned- and a lot more- had issues that fame just magnified


Good point. It could be a life saver.



I agree. However large Taylor’s fame is, it doesn’t compare to the fame that Michael attained. We also must remember that Taylor is not receiving the jealousy and backlash that Michael received because he was the biggest star in the world AND a black man who did things, broke records, etc. that no one else had ever done. The fame, popularity, madness that surrounded Michael will never be seen again, IMO. Therefore, it’s hard to compare ANYONE’S situation to his.


Doesn't explain why he had a new face already in 1987 & looked like a wreck and ghost by 1992. That was entirely his decision. Don't make him a defenseless victim all in all. No star has aged worse in our entire life time.
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Reply #33 posted 06/28/21 8:33am

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I don't think so. We just have front row seats to their lives is all. Regular people die from drug overdoses every day. Have breakdowns. Have mental issues. Commit suicide. Die in high speed car accidents MJ cut up his face. Ok. What was Tiger guy's excuse? Remember him. He didn't want to be human, plenty of regular people do outlandish stuff.
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Reply #34 posted 06/28/21 11:34am

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jjhunsecker said:

gandorb said:

I think when it's big time celebrity, it is more often a curse. When it starts with as a child or adolescent, it is almost always a curse. When it is a young person who initially eats up the attention due to their own lifelong insecurities, it is almost always tragic (e.r., Britney, Princess Di, Marlin Monroe, Amy Winehouse, etc. . This is one reason I root for Taylor Swift, who is in the high risk category but may just not only surviving it but seems to flourishing as of late.

What probably helps Taylor Swift cope with the madness of extreme fame is that she seems to have come from a strong family structure, whereas many of the people you mentioned- and a lot more- had issues that fame just magnified

She claims to have studied every Behind The Music so there's that.

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Reply #35 posted 06/28/21 12:47pm

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Beyoncé is another one who’s appears really strong and made family priority
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Reply #36 posted 06/28/21 1:17pm

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I agree. However large Taylor’s fame is, it doesn’t compare to the fame that Michael attained. We also must remember that Taylor is not receiving the jealousy and backlash that Michael received because he was the biggest star in the world AND a black man who did things, broke records, etc. that no one else had ever done. The fame, popularity, madness that surrounded Michael will never be seen again, IMO. Therefore, it’s hard to compare ANYONE’S situation to his.


Doesn't explain why he had a new face already in 1987 & looked like a wreck and ghost by 1992. That was entirely his decision. Don't make him a defenseless victim all in all. No star has aged worse in our entire life time.
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Reply #37 posted 06/28/21 1:41pm

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And as usual, there are low lives hijacking the thread to throw cheap shots at Michael. How predictable. confused rolleyes

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Reply #38 posted 06/28/21 1:49pm

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PatrickS77 said:

And as usual, there are low lives hijacking the thread to throw cheap shots at Michael. How predictable. confused rolleyes


As usual? Hey, I'm the one who started this thread and I never intended it to be about Michael Jackson, although I may have been a little naive thinking it wasn't going to be about him. And I want to thank everybody for the responses.
But don't go telling me that my thread was hijacked, okay?
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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Reply #39 posted 06/28/21 1:49pm

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I find that most mj haters that diss his looks in real life are nothing more than bullies, dissing him for a skin disorder he couldn’t help
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Reply #40 posted 06/28/21 2:00pm

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I find that most mj haters that diss his looks in real life are nothing more than bullies, dissing him for a skin disorder he couldn’t help


I agree and usually the ones dissing haven’t really looked in THEIR mirror. Just saying.🤔
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Reply #41 posted 06/28/21 2:04pm

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SantanaMaitreya said:

PatrickS77 said:

And as usual, there are low lives hijacking the thread to throw cheap shots at Michael. How predictable. confused rolleyes

As usual? Hey, I'm the one who started this thread and I never intended it to be about Michael Jackson, although I may have been a little naive thinking it wasn't going to be about him. And I want to thank everybody for the responses. But don't go telling me that my thread was hijacked, okay?

Was it you who talked shit about or mentioned Michael?? If not, why do you get defensive now? Was it your intention and were you secretly hoping that someone would start to talk shit about Michael?? If not, why do you get defensive now? You didn't mention Michael, so obviously, I wasn't talking about you.

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Reply #42 posted 06/28/21 2:14pm

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PatrickS77 said:



SantanaMaitreya said:


PatrickS77 said:

And as usual, there are low lives hijacking the thread to throw cheap shots at Michael. How predictable. confused rolleyes



As usual? Hey, I'm the one who started this thread and I never intended it to be about Michael Jackson, although I may have been a little naive thinking it wasn't going to be about him. And I want to thank everybody for the responses. But don't go telling me that my thread was hijacked, okay?


Was it you who talked shit about or mentioned Michael?? If not, why do you get defensive now? Was it your intention and were you secretly hoping that someone would start to talk shit about Michael?? If not, why do you get defensive now? You didn't mention Michael, so obviously, I wasn't talking about you.


Holy fuck, why are you getting so angry? I started this thread about celebrity, not about Michael Jackson. And then if people want to talk about him, that's fine, because he was a celebrity, so it falls within the subject of this thread. No problem there. But once again, I'm the one who started it and as long as I have no problem with it and the moderators have no problem with it, it's not hijacked. Okay? Now let's get back to the subject!
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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Reply #43 posted 06/28/21 2:26pm

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Free2BMe said:

alphastreet said:

I find that most mj haters that diss his looks in real life are nothing more than bullies, dissing him for a skin disorder he couldn’t help


I agree and usually the ones dissing haven’t really looked in THEIR mirror. Just saying.🤔


Totally agree with you, I feel someone like mj brings out either the best or worst in people, in extremes
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Reply #44 posted 06/28/21 4:36pm

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SantanaMaitreya said:

PatrickS77 said:

Was it you who talked shit about or mentioned Michael?? If not, why do you get defensive now? Was it your intention and were you secretly hoping that someone would start to talk shit about Michael?? If not, why do you get defensive now? You didn't mention Michael, so obviously, I wasn't talking about you.

Holy fuck, why are you getting so angry? I started this thread about celebrity, not about Michael Jackson. And then if people want to talk about him, that's fine, because he was a celebrity, so it falls within the subject of this thread. No problem there. But once again, I'm the one who started it and as long as I have no problem with it and the moderators have no problem with it, it's not hijacked. Okay? Now let's get back to the subject!

When it's used to diss Michael, it is hijacked, as that clearly was not the topic. Also I wasn't talking to you, before you chimed in. I was calling out the people who use this as an excuse to diss Michael. Like they always do. And I'm not angry.

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Reply #45 posted 06/28/21 6:35pm

gandorb

Free2BMe said:

gandorb said:

Good point. It could be a life saver.

I agree. However large Taylor’s fame is, it doesn’t compare to the fame that Michael attained. We also must remember that Taylor is not receiving the jealousy and backlash that Michael received because he was the biggest star in the world AND a black man who did things, broke records, etc. that no one else had ever done. The fame, popularity, madness that surrounded Michael will never be seen again, IMO. Therefore, it’s hard to compare ANYONE’S situation to his.

Yes, MJ was imprisoned by his enormous celebrity. However Black men are not the only target group who are unfairly treated by the press. Female pop stars have especially been maligned, pitted against each other, and criticized constantly about their looks, clothes, and weight as well as gas-lighted as crazy if they any reactions to the out of control paparazzi. They are seen as promiscuous whores if they show up with a series of attractive male dates, where male celebrities are admired for their attractive dates. Nevertheless, I still think as it was mentioned before in the thread that having a really solid family of origin is the most important inoculation for celebrity meltdown regardless of the other demographic factors.

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Reply #46 posted 06/29/21 12:35am

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PatrickS77 said:



SantanaMaitreya said:


PatrickS77 said:



Was it you who talked shit about or mentioned Michael?? If not, why do you get defensive now? Was it your intention and were you secretly hoping that someone would start to talk shit about Michael?? If not, why do you get defensive now? You didn't mention Michael, so obviously, I wasn't talking about you.



Holy fuck, why are you getting so angry? I started this thread about celebrity, not about Michael Jackson. And then if people want to talk about him, that's fine, because he was a celebrity, so it falls within the subject of this thread. No problem there. But once again, I'm the one who started it and as long as I have no problem with it and the moderators have no problem with it, it's not hijacked. Okay? Now let's get back to the subject!


When it's used to diss Michael, it is hijacked, as that clearly was not the topic. Also I wasn't talking to you, before you chimed in. I was calling out the people who use this as an excuse to diss Michael. Like they always do. And I'm not angry.


I see no "dissing" of Michael Jackson here and no hijacking.
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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Reply #47 posted 07/01/21 3:17pm

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I have an idea and I'd love to get together with you to figure it out first hand. Lol
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Reply #48 posted 07/01/21 3:44pm

alphastreet

SantanaMaitreya said:

PatrickS77 said:



SantanaMaitreya said:


PatrickS77 said:



Was it you who talked shit about or mentioned Michael?? If not, why do you get defensive now? Was it your intention and were you secretly hoping that someone would start to talk shit about Michael?? If not, why do you get defensive now? You didn't mention Michael, so obviously, I wasn't talking about you.



Holy fuck, why are you getting so angry? I started this thread about celebrity, not about Michael Jackson. And then if people want to talk about him, that's fine, because he was a celebrity, so it falls within the subject of this thread. No problem there. But once again, I'm the one who started it and as long as I have no problem with it and the moderators have no problem with it, it's not hijacked. Okay? Now let's get back to the subject!


When it's used to diss Michael, it is hijacked, as that clearly was not the topic. Also I wasn't talking to you, before you chimed in. I was calling out the people who use this as an excuse to diss Michael. Like they always do. And I'm not angry.


I see no "dissing" of Michael Jackson here and no hijacking.

So you don’t see calling him a ghost as a diss?
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Reply #49 posted 07/02/21 10:44am

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Nope. He's been called a lot worse!
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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Reply #50 posted 07/02/21 11:13am

alphastreet

Still disrespectful
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Reply #51 posted 07/02/21 11:48am

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That's another thing that comes with fame: people will talk shit about you.
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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Reply #52 posted 07/02/21 12:50pm

alphastreet

SantanaMaitreya said:

That's another thing that comes with fame: people will talk shit about you.


Yes, that’s very true
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Reply #53 posted 07/12/21 6:44am

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the OP started the topic Celebrity: a curse or a blessing?

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Reply #54 posted 07/13/21 2:23am

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Neither honestly, it's just like any public facing job, albeit with an added set of caveats and demands (to paraphrase Rich Pryor "when you're in show business, the little extra treat you get is p*$$y"). Large wealth and fame gives them access to extra resources and opportunities, they can make a choice whether they shill out for more dough. Yeah some of those fast food artists get pounded into the ground on the promo circuit, but it's not like they were going to be hard at work on their craft anyway.

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Reply #55 posted 07/16/21 1:14pm

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the OP started the topic Celebrity: a curse or a blessing?



stay on topic everyone else. Follow the rules. This is PRINCE.org



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