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Reply #30 posted 05/31/21 5:14pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

PatrickS77 said:

Uhm. Yes. It is.

Ummm...no it isn't. "Bad" is zzz

^^Just shows how clueless you are.

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Reply #31 posted 05/31/21 6:47pm

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PatrickS77 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Ummm...no it isn't. "Bad" is zzz

^^Just shows how clueless you are.

You're one of "those".... lol

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Reply #32 posted 05/31/21 7:20pm

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thebanishedone said:


To me it's more sophistocated and funkier than OTW


There are a few songs on Triumph that I like,but it’s not quite the masterpiece that OTW is biggrin Damn near every track on OTW could have been a single.”I Can’t Help It” is heavenly!!


Triumph is a good mashup of destiny and off the wall, and I think mj said something like that too in the moonwalk book
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Reply #33 posted 05/31/21 7:58pm

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SoulAlive said:

thebanishedone said:


To me it's more sophistocated and funkier than OTW


There are a few songs on Triumph that I like,but it’s not quite the masterpiece that OTW is biggrin Damn near every track on OTW could have been a single.”I Can’t Help It” is heavenly!!

Girlfriend is kind of lame and Shes Out Of My Love is super cheesy. Triumph is less pop more sophisti funk,more substance.
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Reply #34 posted 06/01/21 1:54am

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Triumph always sounds like songs written to order to me, e.g. the busy-ness of the production on Lovely One and Walk Right Now make them slightly second rate compared to OTW songs. Still a great album though, underrated for sure.

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Reply #35 posted 06/01/21 6:43am

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MJ could have released Thriller under The Jackson name, it wouldn't have sold a shit.
Can You Feel It video was way ahead of his time than Thriller video, but it didn't made any cultural or commercial impact.
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Reply #36 posted 06/01/21 6:53am

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RODSERLING said:

MJ could have released Thriller under The Jackson name, it wouldn't have sold a shit. Can You Feel It video was way ahead of his time than Thriller video, but it didn't made any cultural or commercial impact.

I'd say Can You Feel It was ahead of its time for sure, mental song as well.

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Reply #37 posted 06/01/21 3:43pm

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I had the chance to listen to songs from Bad in a high quality with Brad Sundberg sessions, in a studio with costly sound system.

I remember deeply Bad, an 8 minutes version, OMG, listening to it I discovered tracks in the mix that were hidden, that was funky as hell, as funky as Prince could be.

Always thought that Speed Demon and SOTT share some similarities. I would like a mash up!

I read lately an engineer interview, the guy who brought the synclavier into the Bad sessions.
MJ wanted all his albums in synclavier, Quincy and Swedien were angry.

The engineer told that MJ, at night after official session recording, behind Quincy's back, reworked almost every song, himself, erasing Quincy's tracks to make it sound synclavier.
Bad main riff was in fact a mix of 4 or 5 synths, like an org, a string, etc.
That wasn't Quincy real instruments arrangement at all.

When Quincy and Swedien discovered that, they threatened MJ to fire the engineer and give up on synclavier, or else they would quit.

MJ refused, so they quit the production of the album, well before it was finished.
Never heard of that story before.
Songs like Leave Me Alone or Speed Demon for instance sounds completely Synclavier, with no output from Quincy.


Interesting. I recall this supervisor I had and he made the statement Quincey Jones produced Thriller, Bad has Quincey's name on it but Michael is pretty much the Producer of Bad.
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Reply #38 posted 06/01/21 8:34pm

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Triumph always sounds like songs written to order to me, e.g. the busy-ness of the production on Lovely One and Walk Right Now make them slightly second rate compared to OTW songs.



plus,”Heartbreak Hotel” is a dumb song,imo.

There is a song on Triumph (can’t remember the title) that rips off the melody from “Get On the Floor”.

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Reply #39 posted 06/01/21 10:15pm

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jaawwnn said:

Triumph always sounds like songs written to order to me, e.g. the busy-ness of the production on Lovely One and Walk Right Now make them slightly second rate compared to OTW songs.



plus,”Heartbreak Hotel” is a dumb song,imo.

There is a song on Triumph (can’t remember the title) that rips off the melody from “Get On the Floor”.



Heartbreak Hotel a dumb song? It one of his masterpiece. There s no song of that quality on Off The Wall and Thriller.

It s Everybody that sounds like Get On The Floor. Both were written by MJ.
Get On The Floor was a joyful song " It s good to dance and have fun", Everybody is more of a melancholic sound " I m bored of my life".
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Reply #40 posted 06/02/21 1:51am

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RODSERLING said:

I had the chance to listen to songs from Bad in a high quality with Brad Sundberg sessions, in a studio with costly sound system.

I remember deeply Bad, an 8 minutes version, OMG, listening to it I discovered tracks in the mix that were hidden, that was funky as hell, as funky as Prince could be.

Always thought that Speed Demon and SOTT share some similarities. I would like a mash up!

I read lately an engineer interview, the guy who brought the synclavier into the Bad sessions.
MJ wanted all his albums in synclavier, Quincy and Swedien were angry.

The engineer told that MJ, at night after official session recording, behind Quincy's back, reworked almost every song, himself, erasing Quincy's tracks to make it sound synclavier.
Bad main riff was in fact a mix of 4 or 5 synths, like an org, a string, etc.
That wasn't Quincy real instruments arrangement at all.

When Quincy and Swedien discovered that, they threatened MJ to fire the engineer and give up on synclavier, or else they would quit.

MJ refused, so they quit the production of the album, well before it was finished.
Never heard of that story before.
Songs like Leave Me Alone or Speed Demon for instance sounds completely Synclavier, with no output from Quincy.


Interesting. I recall this supervisor I had and he made the statement Quincey Jones produced Thriller, Bad has Quincey's name on it but Michael is pretty much the Producer of Bad.


MJ recognized without problem the great work of Quincy Jones on Off The Wall.

But for Thriller, MJ thought the 4 songs he wrote were pretty much the same without QJ input.
He was also angry that, whereas MJ didn't do interviews at the time, and even hadn't a manager in these crazy years (!), QJ was doing interviews all the time about Thriller. When you listened to QJ, it was like it was his album, he did everything, etc. QJ seemed to "steal" The album from MJ.

MJ questioned QJ judgment amd involvement a lot during the Thriller production.
First QJ mocked MJ when he told him he wanted Thriller to sell 10 millions, the double of what OTW sold at the time.
QJ told him he would be happy if it sold 1 or two millions (!) Due to the crisis market of LP.

Then QJ tried to discourage MJ to record and release Billie Jean, then told him it was a shitty song that couldn't be a hit, and that he should replaced the track name by " Not My Lover" Instead.

The worst and unexplainable was when during the infamous listening to the first mastering of the album at Epic Records, the album sounded completely shitty.
They had to rework every tracks almost from scratch ( besides TGIM that was already released).

I also heard Bruce Swedien implied that when recording Thriller, MJ tried to get rid of him, thinking he took too much place and influence in the creative process, and thought that he didn't need to pay someone just to adjust the mics in the room.

So for Bad, he told QJ that he would have a producer credit. He kept Swedien and QJ mostly for superstition'sake and to have a good press.
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Reply #41 posted 06/02/21 5:38am

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And till this day the narrative is that Quincy did everything, he wishes!
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Reply #42 posted 06/02/21 6:34am

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RODSERLING said:

daingermouz2020 said:



Interesting. I recall this supervisor I had and he made the statement Quincey Jones produced Thriller, Bad has Quincey's name on it but Michael is pretty much the Producer of Bad.


MJ recognized without problem the great work of Quincy Jones on Off The Wall.

But for Thriller, MJ thought the 4 songs he wrote were pretty much the same without QJ input.
He was also angry that, whereas MJ didn't do interviews at the time, and even hadn't a manager in these crazy years (!), QJ was doing interviews all the time about Thriller. When you listened to QJ, it was like it was his album, he did everything, etc. QJ seemed to "steal" The album from MJ.

MJ questioned QJ judgment amd involvement a lot during the Thriller production.
First QJ mocked MJ when he told him he wanted Thriller to sell 10 millions, the double of what OTW sold at the time.
QJ told him he would be happy if it sold 1 or two millions (!) Due to the crisis market of LP.

Then QJ tried to discourage MJ to record and release Billie Jean, then told him it was a shitty song that couldn't be a hit, and that he should replaced the track name by " Not My Lover" Instead.

The worst and unexplainable was when during the infamous listening to the first mastering of the album at Epic Records, the album sounded completely shitty.
They had to rework every tracks almost from scratch ( besides TGIM that was already released).

I also heard Bruce Swedien implied that when recording Thriller, MJ tried to get rid of him, thinking he took too much place and influence in the creative process, and thought that he didn't need to pay someone just to adjust the mics in the room.

So for Bad, he told QJ that he would have a producer credit. He kept Swedien and QJ mostly for superstition'sake and to have a good press.
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Great insight. Thank u smile
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Reply #43 posted 06/02/21 3:58pm

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I've always dug "Bad". "Dangerous" is still my favorite, though. But I usually listen to "Bad" in this way...as a 9 track album. Without "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" + "Just Good Friends".

The tracklist is this:
Side 1
1. Bad
2. The Way You Make Me Feel
3. Speed Demon
4. Liberian Girl
5. Another Part Of Me (Extended)

Side 2
6. Dirty Diana
7. Leave Me Alone
8. Smooth Criminal (Extended)
9. Man In The Mirror

It's just Funkier this way to me. And "Man In The Mirror" screams ALBUM ENDER IMO. Ends up being around 46 minutes.
Here's a link for that playlist:
https://youtube.com/playl...CjUA0Fx3lO
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Reply #44 posted 06/09/21 2:03pm

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Breaking: People have varied opinions about two popular albums by two popular artists.
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Reply #45 posted 06/10/21 10:20pm

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SoulAlive said:

2freaky4church1 said:

No MJ album comes close to Sign. Get off the crack pipe. Sign is the best album ever. Best. No MJ album makes my top ten. Thriller would be in top twenty. Off The Wall in my top 50 Bad nah.

Now Dirty Diana, that's a bad motherfunker.

Sign O' The Times isn't even Prince's best album biggrin His best album is '1999'.

Co sign. 1999, Controversy, and For You are the Prince albums I listen to regularly.

Don't laugh at my funk
This funk is a serious joint
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Reply #46 posted 06/15/21 2:34am

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I had the chance to listen to songs from Bad in a high quality with Brad Sundberg sessions, in a studio with costly sound system. I remember deeply Bad, an 8 minutes version, OMG, listening to it I discovered tracks in the mix that were hidden, that was funky as hell, as funky as Prince could be. Always thought that Speed Demon and SOTT share some similarities. I would like a mash up! I read lately an engineer interview, the guy who brought the synclavier into the Bad sessions. MJ wanted all his albums in synclavier, Quincy and Swedien were angry. The engineer told that MJ, at night after official session recording, behind Quincy's back, reworked almost every song, himself, erasing Quincy's tracks to make it sound synclavier. Bad main riff was in fact a mix of 4 or 5 synths, like an org, a string, etc. That wasn't Quincy real instruments arrangement at all. When Quincy and Swedien discovered that, they threatened MJ to fire the engineer and give up on synclavier, or else they would quit. MJ refused, so they quit the production of the album, well before it was finished. Never heard of that story before. Songs like Leave Me Alone or Speed Demon for instance sounds completely Synclavier, with no output from Quincy.

Thanks for sharing this.

I knew Quincy left out a whole lot in his getting fired after BAD. These days he acts as if he just worked on BAD humbly and harmoniously............then all of a sudden he gets fired without notice from MJ. And makes it sound nowadays like MJ did this cause he suddenly thought "Quincy doesnt understand the market anymore".....after 2 blockbuster albums.

Quincy conveniently leaving out the part where he angrily demands the firing of two key members in the production of BAD or threatens to resign himself.

Quincy a rat meng.

"We're not hitchhiking anymore!....we're riding!!"
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Reply #47 posted 06/15/21 2:43am

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LouieLestate said:

RODSERLING said:

I had the chance to listen to songs from Bad in a high quality with Brad Sundberg sessions, in a studio with costly sound system. I remember deeply Bad, an 8 minutes version, OMG, listening to it I discovered tracks in the mix that were hidden, that was funky as hell, as funky as Prince could be. Always thought that Speed Demon and SOTT share some similarities. I would like a mash up! I read lately an engineer interview, the guy who brought the synclavier into the Bad sessions. MJ wanted all his albums in synclavier, Quincy and Swedien were angry. The engineer told that MJ, at night after official session recording, behind Quincy's back, reworked almost every song, himself, erasing Quincy's tracks to make it sound synclavier. Bad main riff was in fact a mix of 4 or 5 synths, like an org, a string, etc. That wasn't Quincy real instruments arrangement at all. When Quincy and Swedien discovered that, they threatened MJ to fire the engineer and give up on synclavier, or else they would quit. MJ refused, so they quit the production of the album, well before it was finished. Never heard of that story before. Songs like Leave Me Alone or Speed Demon for instance sounds completely Synclavier, with no output from Quincy.

Thanks for sharing this.

I knew Quincy left out a whole lot in his getting fired after BAD. These days he acts as if he just worked on BAD humbly and harmoniously............then all of a sudden he gets fired without notice from MJ. And makes it sound nowadays like MJ did this cause he suddenly thought "Quincy doesnt understand the market anymore".....after 2 blockbuster albums.

Quincy conveniently leaving out the part where he angrily demands the firing of two key members in the production of BAD or threatens to resign himself.

Quincy a rat meng.

He didn't get fired. Michael just chose to not hire him for the next project. As is any artist's right. wink Not sure why Quincy feels he's in his right to be upset over that.

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