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Reply #30 posted 05/25/21 3:42pm

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TrivialPursuit said:


Seeing a video like "Who Is It" or even "Black or White," one realizes just how much MJ should've picked up on the idea of a video album back then, and blazed a trail. Doesn't have to be some quasi-storyline like Prince did with 3 Chains or D&P. But just make beautiful videos for each song, and put it out. "Who Is It" and "Give In To Me" are great videos. I actually like them more than "Black or White" (although props to the morphing thing back then - it was legendary at the time). "Why You Wanna Trip On Me" and "Keep The Faith" should've had videos.

I think Moonwalker is the closest thing to a visual album we got from him


Yeah, true. It was a mishmash of stuff. Cute, but not a true video album as we know them now. And really, other artists were sorta doing that. Videos, interviews, all put together on a VHS. No real proper track-by-track type video albums of course.

It's sorta odd when you think about it - video was still such a huge medium for music artists to have their music seen on places like MTV, VH1, and BET. Why no one really capitalized on that is a mystery. People weren't even putting moments of silence at the beginning of a video until "Beat It." And they all certainly stood up and took notice with "Thriller."

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Reply #31 posted 05/25/21 5:46pm

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I like that when Beyoncé put out her visual album, she credited mj with thriller and wanted to have a similar impact. Even with her, she already explored the video album with the bday album by making a video for each song except resentment
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Reply #32 posted 05/25/21 6:10pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

alphastreet said:

TrivialPursuit said: I think Moonwalker is the closest thing to a visual album we got from him


Yeah, true. It was a mishmash of stuff. Cute, but not a true video album as we know them now. And really, other artists were sorta doing that. Videos, interviews, all put together on a VHS. No real proper track-by-track type video albums of course.

It's sorta odd when you think about it - video was still such a huge medium for music artists to have their music seen on places like MTV, VH1, and BET. Why no one really capitalized on that is a mystery. People weren't even putting moments of silence at the beginning of a video until "Beat It." And they all certainly stood up and took notice with "Thriller."

Different times. Where would you show that shit? As if MTV would clog up their airtime with showing 75 minute video albums. And how would you make money with that?

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Reply #33 posted 05/25/21 6:33pm

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Teddy Riley really took the album to another level. Bryan Loren just wasn't going to cut it.

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Reply #34 posted 05/25/21 7:09pm

alphastreet

PatrickS77 said:



TrivialPursuit said:




alphastreet said:


TrivialPursuit said: I think Moonwalker is the closest thing to a visual album we got from him


Yeah, true. It was a mishmash of stuff. Cute, but not a true video album as we know them now. And really, other artists were sorta doing that. Videos, interviews, all put together on a VHS. No real proper track-by-track type video albums of course.

It's sorta odd when you think about it - video was still such a huge medium for music artists to have their music seen on places like MTV, VH1, and BET. Why no one really capitalized on that is a mystery. People weren't even putting moments of silence at the beginning of a video until "Beat It." And they all certainly stood up and took notice with "Thriller."




Different times. Where would you show that shit? As if MTV would clog up their airtime with showing 75 minute video albums. And how would you make money with that?



True, part of the reason video albums happened were to increase sales, outside of mtv support
[Edited 5/25/21 19:10pm]
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Reply #35 posted 05/25/21 8:21pm

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The only MJ albums I could edit are "History" and "Invincible" (and "Michael"- removing the three fake vocal tracks) to be honest.

Still I like 10 track albums so:

Jam 5:39

Why You Wanna Trip On Me 5:25

In The Closet 6:32

Remember The Time 4:00

Heal The World 6:25

Black Or White 4:16

Who Is It 6:35

Give In To Me 5:30

Will You Be There 7:40

Dangerous 6:59

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Reply #36 posted 05/25/21 9:43pm

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TrivialPursuit said:



alphastreet said:


TrivialPursuit said:



Seeing a video like "Who Is It" or even "Black or White," one realizes just how much MJ should've picked up on the idea of a video album back then, and blazed a trail. Doesn't have to be some quasi-storyline like Prince did with 3 Chains or D&P. But just make beautiful videos for each song, and put it out. "Who Is It" and "Give In To Me" are great videos. I actually like them more than "Black or White" (although props to the morphing thing back then - it was legendary at the time). "Why You Wanna Trip On Me" and "Keep The Faith" should've had videos.



I think Moonwalker is the closest thing to a visual album we got from him


Yeah, true. It was a mishmash of stuff. Cute, but not a true video album as we know them now. And really, other artists were sorta doing that. Videos, interviews, all put together on a VHS. No real proper track-by-track type video albums of course.

It's sorta odd when you think about it - video was still such a huge medium for music artists to have their music seen on places like MTV, VH1, and BET. Why no one really capitalized on that is a mystery. People weren't even putting moments of silence at the beginning of a video until "Beat It." And they all certainly stood up and took notice with "Thriller."



And what was the VHS/dvd of Dangerous, according to you?
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Reply #37 posted 05/26/21 3:13am

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RODSERLING said:

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I wouldn't remove songs, but would shorten some songs.

intros of B&W, HTW and WYBT...they are all way too long.

last few minutes of Who is it, love the song but it goes on and on

Who Is It had already been cut short(!). MJs engineers often told him his songs lasted too long towards the end, but MJ liked it when it was long, and was always upset to cut his songs in order to stand in one CD. [Edited 5/25/21 4:08am]

I like long songs, when there is actually something happening.

I feel Who Is it just repeats itself for minutes. for me it takes away the tension of the song.

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Reply #38 posted 05/26/21 4:26am

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RODSERLING said:


nextedition said:

I wouldn't remove songs, but would shorten some songs.



intros of B&W, HTW and WYBT...they are all way too long.



last few minutes of Who is it, love the song but it goes on and on




Who Is It had already been cut short(!). MJs engineers often told him his songs lasted too long towards the end, but MJ liked it when it was long, and was always upset to cut his songs in order to stand in one CD. [Edited 5/25/21 4:08am]

I like long songs, when there is actually something happening.


I feel Who Is it just repeats itself for minutes. for me it takes away the tension of the song.





The adlibs makes for the tension.
I remember in the end of the 90's, I made MJ compilations on audio cassettes for friends. I cut short some songs, especially the long intro and ending, because I knew casual listeners of 13 years wouldn't give a shit about it.

But I loved it personally, it made for each song like a monument.
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Reply #39 posted 05/27/21 2:35am

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homesquid said:

The only MJ albums I could edit are "History" and "Invincible" (and "Michael"- removing the three fake vocal tracks) to be honest.

Still I like 10 track albums so:

Jam 5:39

Why You Wanna Trip On Me 5:25

In The Closet 6:32

Remember The Time 4:00

Heal The World 6:25

Black Or White 4:16

Who Is It 6:35

Give In To Me 5:30

Will You Be There 7:40

Dangerous 6:59

My thoughts exactly. I also like 10 track albums

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Reply #40 posted 05/28/21 8:11am

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Did anyone buy the 1xLP picture disc vinyl of Dangerous from about ten years back? hmmm

To make all the songs fit on one vinyl, most of the songs got an early fade. smile

That might be the answer to someone's listening experience. biggrin

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Reply #41 posted 05/28/21 8:12am

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homesquid said:

The only MJ albums I could edit are "History" and "Invincible" (and "Michael"- removing the three fake vocal tracks) to be honest.

Still I like 10 track albums so:

Jam 5:39

Why You Wanna Trip On Me 5:25

In The Closet 6:32

Remember The Time 4:00

Heal The World 6:25

Black Or White 4:16

Who Is It 6:35

Give In To Me 5:30

Will You Be There 7:40

Dangerous 6:59


God those are some long ass tracks where the programming just keeps looping. smile

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Reply #42 posted 05/28/21 12:54pm

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Solo, he released albums so infrequently that I'm grateful for what he gave us.

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Reply #43 posted 06/08/21 8:29pm

alphastreet

Also feeling grateful for all the work he put out, but really wish there wa one more album from him when alive
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Reply #44 posted 06/08/21 10:14pm

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Also feeling grateful for all the work he put out, but really wish there wa one more album from him when alive


Let’s not forget all the shit he was having to deal with. I don’t know any artist ever having to endure what Michael did and still survive with a career. MJ had much more music planned, you can believe that.I’m saddened that he didn’t have a chance to do that. 😔
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Reply #45 posted 06/08/21 10:19pm

Free2BMe

Cinny said:

Did anyone buy the 1xLP picture disc vinyl of Dangerous from about ten years back? hmmm

To make all the songs fit on one vinyl, most of the songs got an early fade. smile

That might be the answer to someone's listening experience. biggrin



I’ve probably bought everything ever released concerning MJ. Let me say that if I didn’t buy it personally, a family member gave me things as gifts. I am truly blessed to have a family that loves MJ as much as I do. The MJ gifts that I have received from them could basically start a “museum”.😄
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Reply #46 posted 06/09/21 5:48am

Matthaus

hmmm

1. Jam
2. Why You Wanna Trip on Me
3. In the Closet
4. She Drives Me Wild
5. Remember the Time
6. Can't Let Her Get Away
7. Heal the World
8. Black or White
9. Who Is It
10. Give In to Me
11. Will You Be There
12. Keep the Faith
13. Gone Too Soon
14. Dangerous

I'll keep Gone Too Soon as I like the message behind it. Will You Be There should be shortened, though.

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Reply #47 posted 06/09/21 9:01am

WukkaWahWah

DANGEROUS
01. Jam
02. In The Closet
03. She Drives Me Wild
04. Give In to Me
05. Dangerous (shorter)
06. Black Or White (no intro)
07. Who Is It
08. Remember The Time
09. Keep The Faith
10. Will You Be There (no orchestra intro)
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[Edited 6/9/21 9:06am]

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Reply #48 posted 06/09/21 10:23am

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Free2BMe said:

alphastreet said:

Also feeling grateful for all the work he put out, but really wish there wa one more album from him when alive


Let’s not forget all the shit he was having to deal with. I don’t know any artist ever having to endure what Michael did and still survive with a career. MJ had much more music planned, you can believe that.I’m saddened that he didn’t have a chance to do that. 😔


Yes, what a loss sad
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Reply #49 posted 06/09/21 7:55pm

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1. Black or White

2. Can't Let Her Get Away

3. Remember the Time

4. In the Closet

5. She Drives Me Wild

6. Who It Is

7. Give in2 Me

8. Dangerous

9. Keep the Faith

music I'm afraid of Americans. I'm afraid of the world. music
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Reply #50 posted 06/10/21 6:02am

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She Drives Me Wild might be filler but I always blast that jam.

And I hear a jack hammer throughout this song. I bet I am right.

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Reply #51 posted 06/10/21 6:57am

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Derek1984 said:

She Drives Me Wild might be filler but I always blast that jam.

And I hear a jack hammer throughout this song. I bet I am right.


Or slamming car doors. wink

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Reply #52 posted 06/11/21 5:57pm

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12. Someone Put Your Hand Out
13. Joy

Those would be my changes.

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Reply #53 posted 06/11/21 5:58pm

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PatrickS77 said:

Derek1984 said:

She Drives Me Wild might be filler but I always blast that jam.

And I hear a jack hammer throughout this song. I bet I am right.


Or slamming car doors. wink

Both. I got the instrumental to the song and there's so many sounds. Song is bangin'.

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Reply #54 posted 06/11/21 6:49pm

alphastreet

I think she drives me wild has an experimental sound to it
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Reply #55 posted 06/11/21 7:53pm

wilmer

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I think she drives me wild has an experimental sound to it


She Drives Me Wild is my jam. The beat has always sounded to me like Tribe Called Quest's Hot Sex.
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Reply #56 posted 06/12/21 4:05pm

alphastreet

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alphastreet said:

I think she drives me wild has an experimental sound to it


She Drives Me Wild is my jam. The beat has always sounded to me like Tribe Called Quest's Hot Sex.


Will have to check that out! Don’t walk away by jade sounds nice back to back with it to me
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Reply #57 posted 06/14/21 4:31am

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MY (Revised) DANGEROUS
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Jam
In The Closet
(video version)
She Drives Me Wild
Give In to Me
Someone Put Your Hand Out
Dangerous
(shortened version)
Black Or White
(no intro)
Who Is It
Remember The Time
Can't Let Her Get Away
Keep The Faith
Will You Be There
(no orchestra intro)
-
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-


[Edited 6/14/21 4:33am]

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Reply #58 posted 06/14/21 10:17am

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WukkaWahWah said:

MY (Revised) DANGEROUS
-
Jam
In The Closet
(video version)
She Drives Me Wild
Give In to Me
Someone Put Your Hand Out
Dangerous
(shortened version)
Black Or White
(no intro)
Who Is It
Remember The Time
Can't Let Her Get Away
Keep The Faith
Will You Be There
(no orchestra intro)


I actually took out the intro on mine. When I ripped the CD, I went in and edited "Black or White" to remove the skit at the beginning.

I wouldn't mind the video version of "Remember The Time" as well with the breakdown inserted, but the song the same otherwise.

I've always been disappointed that "Heal The World" was pushed so hard as a single, when a full on gospel jam like "Keep The Faith" falls by the wayside.

I also thought "Give In To Me" should've been a bigger single, maybe with a different mix with someone like Vernon Reid doing a solo. Janet did that with "Black Cat." There are a few different versions of that song, and there's a longer one with Reid doing a blazing solo.

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