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Reply #30 posted 05/09/21 1:35pm

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RODSERLING said:

PatrickS77 said:

Yes. Will has said that he has songs. And that he will never release them. neutral sad

Will I Am has nothing, only the instrumental tracks he gave to MJ. MJ never recorded them.

Oh. Then you know more than him.

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Reply #31 posted 05/09/21 6:13pm

alphastreet

mnbvc said:



alphastreet said:


A lot of djs I listen to online play tons of mj as well as Janet, the popularity is still there and he will not be forgotten

It's not too different than the fact that Britney Spears will continue to be as famous as long as the shameful Beyonce Knowles continues to be famous.


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Beyonce Knowles must live with the shame that Britney Spears is a better songwriter than her for the rest of her life.



Still trying to figure why you respond to my posts in particular with that off topic mess...
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Reply #32 posted 05/09/21 6:15pm

alphastreet

PatrickS77 said:



RODSERLING said:


PatrickS77 said:



Yes. Will has said that he has songs. And that he will never release them. neutral sad



Will I Am has nothing, only the instrumental tracks he gave to MJ. MJ never recorded them.


Oh. Then you know more than him.



I think will.i.am ended up using one of them for his own album in around 2006, I heard a beat on it similar to what was played on entertainment tonight when they showed mj and wil.i.am in the studio
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Reply #33 posted 05/10/21 7:28am

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Disagree. Jackson was a song and dance man. He meant a lot to many people who will one day be dead. His art (aside from his dancing), is forgettable and was disposable (especially once New Jack Swing got him and never let him go). His impact will be remembered longer than the actual "art" and I don't see that lasting too long, either.

Yes, Michael was a song and dance man who also COMPOSED some of the most iconic songs/music in history; although, some conveniently TRY to ignore and dismiss that FACT. These songs, his “art” will not be forgotten. MJ has been gone almost 12 years and a new generation of fans have discovered him and LOVE him and his music. Not only will his impact be remembered, his ART(singing, dancing, iconic songs, etc.) will be remembered. Btw,I guess it depends on your circle of friends, who you work with, etc. in order to decide whether his ART will last. In the position that I work, his actual ART is as strong as ever. Amazing and unprecedented because of all of the contrived bullshit and media manipulation that he went through and STILL goes through.

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Uh huh.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #34 posted 05/10/21 9:47am

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wilmer said:

PatrickS77 said: Now, aren't there recordings in the possession of producers like RedOne and Will.i.am and maybe even Q and Teddy? I think I've heard this before.

Yep. John Barnes who worked with MJ from '83 to '08 also said there's recordings they worked on that may need a bit more "finishing" and could be released. IIRC he mentioned "Make or Break" and "Buffalo Bill" that were from '83-85 in a interview with the MJCast

Buffalo Bill is pretty close to complete.

Make or Break, which has the makings of something great, is not nearly as finished as Buffalo Bill.

Tomboy (with Roger Troutman) and What You Do To Me are other tracks recorded in 1985 that are close to complete.

Another track, Chicago 1945, recorded in 1984 with Steve Porcaro, is finished and is supposed to sound amazing.

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Reply #35 posted 05/10/21 5:36pm

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alphastreet said:

PatrickS77 said:

Oh. Then you know more than him.

I think will.i.am ended up using one of them for his own album in around 2006, I heard a beat on it similar to what was played on entertainment tonight when they showed mj and wil.i.am in the studio

What you're thinking of was offered to MJ first and MJ didn't like it enough so Will ended up using it on his album.

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Reply #36 posted 05/10/21 6:45pm

alphastreet

Derek1984 said:



alphastreet said:


PatrickS77 said:



Oh. Then you know more than him.



I think will.i.am ended up using one of them for his own album in around 2006, I heard a beat on it similar to what was played on entertainment tonight when they showed mj and wil.i.am in the studio

What you're thinking of was offered to MJ first and MJ didn't like it enough so Will ended up using it on his album.



Yeah that was it. I do think the will.i.am produced song on Justin Timberlake’s album may have been hinting at the sound will.i.am was going for with mj
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Reply #37 posted 05/10/21 11:49pm

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Derek1984 said:



alphastreet said:


PatrickS77 said:



Oh. Then you know more than him.



I think will.i.am ended up using one of them for his own album in around 2006, I heard a beat on it similar to what was played on entertainment tonight when they showed mj and wil.i.am in the studio

What you're thinking of was offered to MJ first and MJ didn't like it enough so Will ended up using it on his album.



That's not what he said, but whatever.
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Reply #38 posted 05/11/21 6:21am

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alphastreet said:

Derek1984 said:

What you're thinking of was offered to MJ first and MJ didn't like it enough so Will ended up using it on his album.

Yeah that was it. I do think the will.i.am produced song on Justin Timberlake’s album may have been hinting at the sound will.i.am was going for with mj

Yeah, I think Damn Girl is somewhat close of what Will was going for with MJ.

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Reply #39 posted 05/11/21 6:47am

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Derek1984 said:



bboy87 said:




wilmer said:


PatrickS77 said: Now, aren't there recordings in the possession of producers like RedOne and Will.i.am and maybe even Q and Teddy? I think I've heard this before.

Yep. John Barnes who worked with MJ from '83 to '08 also said there's recordings they worked on that may need a bit more "finishing" and could be released. IIRC he mentioned "Make or Break" and "Buffalo Bill" that were from '83-85 in a interview with the MJCast






Buffalo Bill is pretty close to complete.



Make or Break, which has the makings of something great, is not nearly as finished as Buffalo Bill.



Tomboy (with Roger Troutman) and What You Do To Me are other tracks recorded in 1985 that are close to complete.



Another track, Chicago 1945, recorded in 1984 with Steve Porcaro, is finished and is supposed to sound amazing.



Hi there Derek, what is the source of this info? Has it been confirmed by anyone credible? Thanks in advance
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Reply #40 posted 05/11/21 6:47am

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Derek1984 said:

alphastreet said:

Derek1984 said: Yeah that was it. I do think the will.i.am produced song on Justin Timberlake’s album may have been hinting at the sound will.i.am was going for with mj

Yeah, I think Damn Girl is somewhat close of what Will was going for with MJ.


I don't think that's the one. It actually was "Fly girl" and it's a shame, as that snippet sounded cool. The end song is a bit of a let down though. I see on Wikipedia Michael is actually credited as a writer. Wonder if he is credited on the album too or if it is just overzealousness of a fan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOZXkgu0jO4


Edit: Ok. I think some wires got crossed here, yes that one song was offered to/worked on with Michael and ended up on Will's album. But apparently there are more songs, where supposedly Will has the recorded instrumentals and Michael has the recorded vocals, which is not the quote I remember and can't seem to find from around 10 years ago, where Will made it sound that he has actual full songs that he will never release, as Michael didn't get to finish them and say that they are ready for release. I remember thinking, how he can deprive us/the world of Michael's last recordings? It's not his decision to make.

[Edited 5/11/21 6:57am]

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Reply #41 posted 05/11/21 10:32am

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wilmer said:

Derek1984 said:

Buffalo Bill is pretty close to complete.

Make or Break, which has the makings of something great, is not nearly as finished as Buffalo Bill.

Tomboy (with Roger Troutman) and What You Do To Me are other tracks recorded in 1985 that are close to complete.

Another track, Chicago 1945, recorded in 1984 with Steve Porcaro, is finished and is supposed to sound amazing.

Hi there Derek, what is the source of this info? Has it been confirmed by anyone credible? Thanks in advance

Sources are John Barnes, Matt Forger, and Steve Porcaro.

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Reply #42 posted 05/11/21 10:35am

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PatrickS77 said:

Derek1984 said:

Yeah, I think Damn Girl is somewhat close of what Will was going for with MJ.


I don't think that's the one. It actually was "Fly girl" and it's a shame, as that snippet sounded cool. The end song is a bit of a let down though. I see on Wikipedia Michael is actually credited as a writer. Wonder if he is credited on the album too or if it is just overzealousness of a fan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOZXkgu0jO4


Edit: Ok. I think some wires got crossed here, yes that one song was offered to/worked on with Michael and ended up on Will's album. But apparently there are more songs, where supposedly Will has the recorded instrumentals and Michael has the recorded vocals, which is not the quote I remember and can't seem to find from around 10 years ago, where Will made it sound that he has actual full songs that he will never release, as Michael didn't get to finish them and say that they are ready for release. I remember thinking, how he can deprive us/the world of Michael's last recordings? It's not his decision to make.

[Edited 5/11/21 6:57am]

Will.I.Am has changed his story so many times it's hard to know what to believe from him.

They definitely worked together on multiple tracks (maybe 4 or 5) and a couple are probably close to complete.

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