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Tina on HBOMax

TINA is now out on HBOMax. Roger Davies, Kurt Loder, Oprah Winfrey, Angela Basett, and others make appearances, talking about Tina, as well as Tina herself.

The documentary is divided into six chapters. The first is mostly about meeting Ike and the earlier days. The second talks about "River Deep Mountain High" being a flop at first. But on the back of "Proud Mary," he built the home studio, then Ike's physical and drug abuse eventually started.

It then covers the divorce, getting her name, and playing Vegas to pay bills and reestablish herself. There is a lot of photos and home movies (especially in their home on Olympiad Street in LA) with the kids. They've filmed shots of the home before it was remodeled and sold, and I found it interesting a shot of her making dinner for the kids, on the same stove that is in the other shots thru the empty house. That house stayed locked in a time warp for years before it was flipped and sold. (It's on Zillow and super nice inside, with ne're a ghost from the past... except the front doors, maybe.

It's just an incredible look at her life, much of which wasn't told before or shown before. Craig Turner (Tina's first son with Ike) told a story of Ike throwing scalding hot coffee on Tina, and how it became a moment he hated Ike from there on out.

I'm not giving much away, because there is so much more to it.

A lot of the early parts play a cassette of Tina doing an interview in 1981, when she first talked about her divorce from Ike and the life she lived. Also, the story was in People magazine, and I found it ironic that her story (she wasn't on the cover) and Raquel Welch were noted on the cover. I believe it was Raquel who told Tina to get her heels back out and go on tour again when she had wanted to retire 21 years ago.

The NY post had an article about the film. Here's a snip of it:

Tina Turner bids a final farewell to her fans in a touching new film that shows how she has overcome her painful past and finally found happiness.

In the feature-length documentary, simply titled “Tina,” the singer looks back on camera for the first time at her younger years filled with struggle and pain, then the true love and global fame she found as a middle-aged woman.

Now 81 and plagued by ill health, including a stroke and cancer, the soul and rock music legend also suffered kidney failure that led to a transplant in 2017.

In the film, she tells how she wants to enter the third and final chapter of her life out of the spotlight, and it is revealed that she has a form of post-traumatic stress disorder from the domestic abuse she suffered at the hands of her first husband and music partner, Ike Turner.



So.. thoughts?

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Reply #1 posted 03/28/21 5:33am

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damn...watching basketball, i forgot to watch it... thanks 4 the reminder though
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Reply #2 posted 03/28/21 8:04am

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I don't have HBOMax.

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Reply #3 posted 03/28/21 12:08pm

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Thoughts?


WOW!

I saw her in even a broader light.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


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I watched it on Foxtel last night. I just wished they mentioned that she was in the film Tommy (1975) as the Acid Queen https://www.youtube.com/w...dinfZKA_Fw , in Europe and Australia her version of Let's Stay Together was a major hit in 1983! Tina Turner’s Solo Career Started With a Song About Love https://www.cheatsheet.co...love.html/

Also, there was no mention of her contribution to We Are The World (1985) or Live Aid (1985) appearance with Mick Jagger. Plus, the duets Tonight (1985) she did with David Bowie and It's Only Love (1985) with Bryan Adams were ignored. Finally, there was no mention of her James Bond theme GoldenEye (1994) or her role in The Last Action Hero (1993) hmmm Other than that, I give it I give it a 4.5 out of 5 popcorn Tina is a queen angel worship and SHOULD have been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist YEARS ago!!!!!!!!!

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One more thing.......I always loved Tina's version of Prince's Let's Pretend We're Married (1984) music https://www.youtube.com/w...u4HW4thzT4 its amazing nod

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Reply #6 posted 03/28/21 9:55pm

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I hope it appears on Prime or Netflix some day.

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Goddess4Real said:

I watched it on Foxtel last night. I just wished they mentioned ....


In fairness, it's about her life, not a discography review. I think sometimes we're so used to "We had this hit, then this happened, then we did another song, and that happened." Her life is more than her music, while her music is still firmly part of it. To me, it filled in where What's Love Got To Do With It and I, Tina left gaps or untold parts. You felt the grit of her life more than any other time, and frankly the ensuing trauma from it.

I'm more surprised they didn't talk about her cancer and chemo, stroke, and other health problems in more recent years, or even that she gave up her US citizenship in 2013 or so for Switzerland. But, that stuff is in her second book, which is a great read. (I never read the majority of I, Tina, actually.)

And just as a note: Things like Tommy, USA For Africa, and LiveAid were someone else's projects, where she had one small part among many. Granted, a movie is the same sorta gig (ie: Mad Max), but the role in Thunderdome was written for her, so it makes sense that serves as a jumping point to other things.

PS "It's Only Love" is still a jam.

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Wish this wasn't on HBO Max, I'd love to see this. Hopefully it gets put up on Netflix or for purchase on YouTube one day.
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Wish this wasn't on HBO Max, I'd love to see this. Hopefully it gets put up on Netflix or for purchase on YouTube one day.


Y'all that don't have HBOMax could just get a trial for a week or something. Blaze thru Tina, the new Justice League - whatever floats your boat.

Just a thought.

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TrivialPursuit said:

Goddess4Real said:

I watched it on Foxtel last night. I just wished they mentioned ....


In fairness, it's about her life, not a discography review. I think sometimes we're so used to "We had this hit, then this happened, then we did another song, and that happened." Her life is more than her music, while her music is still firmly part of it. To me, it filled in where What's Love Got To Do With It and I, Tina left gaps or untold parts. You felt the grit of her life more than any other time, and frankly the ensuing trauma from it.

I'm more surprised they didn't talk about her cancer and chemo, stroke, and other health problems in more recent years, or even that she gave up her US citizenship in 2013 or so for Switzerland. But, that stuff is in her second book, which is a great read. (I never read the majority of I, Tina, actually.)

And just as a note: Things like Tommy, USA For Africa, and LiveAid were someone else's projects, where she had one small part among many. Granted, a movie is the same sorta gig (ie: Mad Max), but the role in Thunderdome was written for her, so it makes sense that serves as a jumping point to other things.

PS "It's Only Love" is still a jam.


yeah I have to agree on all this I heard some of the same kind of complaints with The Bee Gees documentary not focusing on all the albums especially that came in 80's and 90's but if they only let you have two hours it's tough to get all that in if you have had the careers they have had. I loved TINA this again like The Bee Gees one is why I love Documentaries and not so much Biopics, which is why I dread the idea of them doing a Prince biopic just don't do it please, or at least do a proper documentary on him. Similar to the issues I had with the Queen biopic having seen documentaries on them from the band I knew there was so much BS in the biopic.


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TrivialPursuit said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Wish this wasn't on HBO Max, I'd love to see this. Hopefully it gets put up on Netflix or for purchase on YouTube one day.


Y'all that don't have HBOMax could just get a trial for a week or something. Blaze thru Tina, the new Justice League - whatever floats your boat.

Just a thought.

...and Wonder Woman. Yes. That's what I did/am doing with Sky. Except, on Sky Germany it won't be released yet. Only Sky UK. Fucking bullshit. Why the US and UK now and the rest of the world in the summer??? Fuck them.

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lastdecember said:

TrivialPursuit said:


In fairness, it's about her life, not a discography review. I think sometimes we're so used to "We had this hit, then this happened, then we did another song, and that happened." Her life is more than her music, while her music is still firmly part of it. To me, it filled in where What's Love Got To Do With It and I, Tina left gaps or untold parts. You felt the grit of her life more than any other time, and frankly the ensuing trauma from it.

I'm more surprised they didn't talk about her cancer and chemo, stroke, and other health problems in more recent years, or even that she gave up her US citizenship in 2013 or so for Switzerland. But, that stuff is in her second book, which is a great read. (I never read the majority of I, Tina, actually.)

And just as a note: Things like Tommy, USA For Africa, and LiveAid were someone else's projects, where she had one small part among many. Granted, a movie is the same sorta gig (ie: Mad Max), but the role in Thunderdome was written for her, so it makes sense that serves as a jumping point to other things.

PS "It's Only Love" is still a jam.


yeah I have to agree on all this I heard some of the same kind of complaints with The Bee Gees documentary not focusing on all the albums especially that came in 80's and 90's but if they only let you have two hours it's tough to get all that in if you have had the careers they have had. I loved TINA this again like The Bee Gees one is why I love Documentaries and not so much Biopics, which is why I dread the idea of them doing a Prince biopic just don't do it please, or at least do a proper documentary on him. Similar to the issues I had with the Queen biopic having seen documentaries on them from the band I knew there was so much BS in the biopic.

Yes. Documentaries are so much better instead of a whole life, crammed into a stupid 2 hour movie with actor x pretending to be subject y of biopic. Let the people tell their own stories, not a screenwriter make up some bullshit. That's why I'm so glad, taht we are getting a documentarie with Janet, instead of a fucking movie.

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...and Wonder Woman. Yes. That's what I did/am doing with Sky. Except, on Sky Germany it won't be released yet. Only Sky UK. Fucking bullshit. Why the US and UK now and the rest of the world in the summer??? Fuck them.


Use a VPN to get access to UK or US programming, or just torrent a download.

Those WW movies can suck a dick, tho. Gal Gadot is just horrible.

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It's out on blu-ray on April 5 in the UK.

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Reply #15 posted 03/31/21 9:16am

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I watched it last night. Very good docu....but if you read her book. much of the material you probably already knew. HBO has been knocking it out of the park lately with their documentaries.

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Reply #16 posted 03/31/21 12:19pm

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I watched it...Ike Turner, the things he did to her were abject torture.

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whitesockedfunk said:

It's out on blu-ray on April 5 in the UK.

thumbs up!

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PatrickS77 said:



lastdecember said:




TrivialPursuit said:




In fairness, it's about her life, not a discography review. I think sometimes we're so used to "We had this hit, then this happened, then we did another song, and that happened." Her life is more than her music, while her music is still firmly part of it. To me, it filled in where What's Love Got To Do With It and I, Tina left gaps or untold parts. You felt the grit of her life more than any other time, and frankly the ensuing trauma from it.

I'm more surprised they didn't talk about her cancer and chemo, stroke, and other health problems in more recent years, or even that she gave up her US citizenship in 2013 or so for Switzerland. But, that stuff is in her second book, which is a great read. (I never read the majority of I, Tina, actually.)

And just as a note: Things like Tommy, USA For Africa, and LiveAid were someone else's projects, where she had one small part among many. Granted, a movie is the same sorta gig (ie: Mad Max), but the role in Thunderdome was written for her, so it makes sense that serves as a jumping point to other things.

PS "It's Only Love" is still a jam.




yeah I have to agree on all this I heard some of the same kind of complaints with The Bee Gees documentary not focusing on all the albums especially that came in 80's and 90's but if they only let you have two hours it's tough to get all that in if you have had the careers they have had. I loved TINA this again like The Bee Gees one is why I love Documentaries and not so much Biopics, which is why I dread the idea of them doing a Prince biopic just don't do it please, or at least do a proper documentary on him. Similar to the issues I had with the Queen biopic having seen documentaries on them from the band I knew there was so much BS in the biopic.




Yes. Documentaries are so much better instead of a whole life, crammed into a stupid 2 hour movie with actor x pretending to be subject y of biopic. Let the people tell their own stories, not a screenwriter make up some bullshit. That's why I'm so glad, taht we are getting a documentarie with Janet, instead of a fucking movie.



But Im glad there was a Tina Turner movie. Otherwise we would not have gotten that amazing soundtrack! That album made me develop an interest in the Ike & Tina catalog.
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kitbradley said:

PatrickS77 said:

Yes. Documentaries are so much better instead of a whole life, crammed into a stupid 2 hour movie with actor x pretending to be subject y of biopic. Let the people tell their own stories, not a screenwriter make up some bullshit. That's why I'm so glad, taht we are getting a documentarie with Janet, instead of a fucking movie.

But Im glad there was a Tina Turner movie. Otherwise we would not have gotten that amazing soundtrack! That album made me develop an interest in the Ike & Tina catalog.

That movie is a prime example of how a biopic can be well made.

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What i like about this is it goes past the movie
She talks about how she felt about it and why. But it really bought home her success after Ike. She was 40 and basically began anew. That's what gave it the wow factor for me. Her rise when in this industry she should have faded away. You get a sense of her own fire despite the bs. This woman was packing arenas because she was ...
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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onlyforaminute said:

What i like about this is it goes past the movie She talks about how she felt about it and why. But it really bought home her success after Ike. She was 40 and basically began anew. That's what gave it the wow factor for me. Her rise when in this industry she should have faded away. You get a sense of her own fire despite the bs. This woman was packing arenas because she was ...


and also to add that success could have never happened in a later era, and no way in today's world would it have because we are so anti older artists at least in terms of what is seen and promoted, also those large crowds and tying this in with MTV cannot forget them and the birth of videos Tinas Let's stay together was the first solo thing I saw and heard and that never could happen now, a 40+ year old woman selling out stadiums taking over airwaves, even the young artists don't do that. But she hit the perfect time, with so much diversity out there, Madonna and Tina and MJ and Lionel and Prince and Stevie and even older acts having hits still Aretha and The stones etc...there never will be a time like that again.


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lastdecember said:

onlyforaminute said:

What i like about this is it goes past the movie She talks about how she felt about it and why. But it really bought home her success after Ike. She was 40 and basically began anew. That's what gave it the wow factor for me. Her rise when in this industry she should have faded away. You get a sense of her own fire despite the bs. This woman was packing arenas because she was ...


and also to add that success could have never happened in a later era, and no way in today's world would it have because we are so anti older artists at least in terms of what is seen and promoted, also those large crowds and tying this in with MTV cannot forget them and the birth of videos Tinas Let's stay together was the first solo thing I saw and heard and that never could happen now, a 40+ year old woman selling out stadiums taking over airwaves, even the young artists don't do that. But she hit the perfect time, with so much diversity out there, Madonna and Tina and MJ and Lionel and Prince and Stevie and even older acts having hits still Aretha and The stones etc...there never will be a time like that again.

You took the words right out of my mouth. The anti-age bias is not only affecting the music industry but multiple areas of society across the board today...

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Goddess4Real said:

One more thing.......I always loved Tina's version of Prince's Let's Pretend We're Married (1984) music https://www.youtube.com/w...u4HW4thzT4 its amazing nod

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Hooooooly moly! I never knew this happened ... thanks for sharing, was actually damn good.

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purplethunder3121 said:



lastdecember said:




onlyforaminute said:


What i like about this is it goes past the movie She talks about how she felt about it and why. But it really bought home her success after Ike. She was 40 and basically began anew. That's what gave it the wow factor for me. Her rise when in this industry she should have faded away. You get a sense of her own fire despite the bs. This woman was packing arenas because she was ...


and also to add that success could have never happened in a later era, and no way in today's world would it have because we are so anti older artists at least in terms of what is seen and promoted, also those large crowds and tying this in with MTV cannot forget them and the birth of videos Tinas Let's stay together was the first solo thing I saw and heard and that never could happen now, a 40+ year old woman selling out stadiums taking over airwaves, even the young artists don't do that. But she hit the perfect time, with so much diversity out there, Madonna and Tina and MJ and Lionel and Prince and Stevie and even older acts having hits still Aretha and The stones etc...there never will be a time like that again.



You took the words right out of my mouth. The anti-age bias is not only affecting the music industry but multiple areas of society across the board today...

Right.

It's also worth noting that the 80s was the decade for 60s nostalgia and boy, did the people of the 80s love them some 60s. No other decade has been as hospitable to its veteran acts as the 80s were and Tina was the leader of that pack.
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purplethunder3121 said:



lastdecember said:




onlyforaminute said:


What i like about this is it goes past the movie She talks about how she felt about it and why. But it really bought home her success after Ike. She was 40 and basically began anew. That's what gave it the wow factor for me. Her rise when in this industry she should have faded away. You get a sense of her own fire despite the bs. This woman was packing arenas because she was ...


and also to add that success could have never happened in a later era, and no way in today's world would it have because we are so anti older artists at least in terms of what is seen and promoted, also those large crowds and tying this in with MTV cannot forget them and the birth of videos Tinas Let's stay together was the first solo thing I saw and heard and that never could happen now, a 40+ year old woman selling out stadiums taking over airwaves, even the young artists don't do that. But she hit the perfect time, with so much diversity out there, Madonna and Tina and MJ and Lionel and Prince and Stevie and even older acts having hits still Aretha and The stones etc...there never will be a time like that again.



You took the words right out of my mouth. The anti-age bias is not only affecting the music industry but multiple areas of society across the board today...

Right.

It's also worth noting that the 80s was the decade for 60s nostalgia and boy, did the people of the 80s love them some 60s. No other decade has been as hospitable to its veteran acts as the 80s were and Tina was the leader of that pack.


not sure how old you are, but the 70s was infatuated with the 50s too...ALOT...as much if not more than the 80s loved the 60s...but your point is valid nonetheless ...it seems like past generations had more reverence for those who came before... thats become a dying concept...now, our elders get written off as, "they fell off" or "theyre no longer relevant"...its sad
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RJOrion said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Right.

It's also worth noting that the 80s was the decade for 60s nostalgia and boy, did the people of the 80s love them some 60s. No other decade has been as hospitable to its veteran acts as the 80s were and Tina was the leader of that pack.


not sure how old you are, but the 70s was infatuated with the 50s too...ALOT...as much if not more than the 80s loved the 60s...but your point is valid nonetheless ...it seems like past generations had more reverence for those who came before... thats become a dying concept...now, our elders get written off as, "they fell off" or "theyre no longer relevant"...its sad
I just turned 27 a few months back so I didn't live it but it didn't seem like the 70s showed love for the 50s from a musical standpoint like the 80s did for the 60s; I didn't see it at least. Who were some 50s stars still scoring high-charting hits in the 70s?

I agree with you on the reverence thing. Nostalgia cycles still run every 2 decades but increased ageism in today's music biz makes the pop charts a young person's game. Many don't seem to think so but this severely limits the variety that could be had in the mainstream.
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Well if what the executives said about Tina was really true then ageism as well as other isms were alive and well then too. It took a lot of fight it seems for those that remained standing to keep standing. I think some of it had to do with the amount of work those people were used to that help them keep pushing. Tina for instance came from a share cropper background. That's back breaking work that requires a lot for very little.

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Reply #28 posted 04/02/21 11:28am

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RJOrion said:
not sure how old you are, but the 70s was infatuated with the 50s too...ALOT...as much if not more than the 80s loved the 60s...but your point is valid nonetheless ...it seems like past generations had more reverence for those who came before... thats become a dying concept...now, our elders get written off as, "they fell off" or "theyre no longer relevant"...its sad
I just turned 27 a few months back so I didn't live it but it didn't seem like the 70s showed love for the 50s from a musical standpoint like the 80s did for the 60s; I didn't see it at least. Who were some 50s stars still scoring high-charting hits in the 70s? I agree with you on the reverence thing. Nostalgia cycles still run every 2 decades but increased ageism in today's music biz makes the pop charts a young person's game. Many don't seem to think so but this severely limits the variety that could be had in the mainstream.

70s music act Sha-Na-Na whole sound, style and performances were 50s doo-wop music

Elvis Presley, Paul Anka, Ricky Nelson, Neil Sedaka, Chuck Berry and Little Richard whose careers started with hits in the mid 50s were still doing records, TV shows, concerts and guest starring in movies and sitcoms well into the 70s...Elvis was still recording in the early 70s

James Brown, Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons, Ben E King, Dionne Warwick, had hits in the 50s and were STILL recording and getting hits and TV shows and concerts in the 70s.

Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Quincy Jones, etc had hits in the 50s and into the 70s

Not only were acts who had hits in the 50s still prominent in the 70s, there was all kinds of 50s nostalgia in the 70s in music and entertainment in general...and it sold well, and people ate it up

even TV shows "Happy Days" and "Laverne & Shirley" were the biggest thing on TV at one time

and thats just off the top of my head, im sure im missing countless other musicians like Burt Bacharach and David Axelrod..even Sammy Davis Jr

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LOL...even the thread topic Tina Turner (Ike & Tina Turner) had records in the 50s and was obviously still going strong in the 70s

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