Macy Gray said she learned a few new moves from Cardi and Megan.

domainator2010 said:

No, you're right. It's true.

No it isn't true. The same time those acts were out, so were these:

The live version of Watermelon Sugar that opened the show was amazing. It's one of those songs that the first time I heard it, it immediatly made my playlist. Good to see it win some awards. Also it's good for me to see that as I get older, my tastes on new music still resonate with others and i am not stuck in the past. (as i see some here are)

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v10letblues said:

The live version of Watermelon Sugar that opened the show was amazing. It's one of those songs that the first time I heard it, it immediatly made my playlist. Good to see it win some awards. Also it's good for me to see that as I get older, my tastes on new music still resonate with others and i am not stuck in the past. (as i see some here are)

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I recently made a thread about Harry Styles and almost got laughed off the org.

v10letblues said:

When it comes to music,I am proud and happy to be “stuck in the past”
I prefer to listen to the great,real music that I grew up with instead of the manufactured,boring,crappy music of today.

CynicKill said:

v10letblues said:

The live version of Watermelon Sugar that opened the show was amazing. It's one of those songs that the first time I heard it, it immediatly made my playlist. Good to see it win some awards. Also it's good for me to see that as I get older, my tastes on new music still resonate with others and i am not stuck in the past. (as i see some here are)

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I recently made a thread about Harry Styles and almost got laughed off the org.

lol. Young artists tend to be marginalized. Harry is good, time will tell where he takes his talent.

And a good song is a good song regardless of who performs it.

People in my cirlcle know me as a big music snob, so you should have heard the crap I got at the time when I said I thought "Toxic" by Britney Spears was good. lol. But critics and consumers agreed with me and it's been listed among the best tracks of the 2000's.

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SoulAlive said:

v10letblues said:

i am not stuck in the past. (as i see some here are)

When it comes to music,I am proud and happy to be “stuck in the past” I prefer to listen to the great,real music that I grew up with instead of the manufactured,boring,crappy music of today.

@SoulAlive, I'm with you.

I only caught snippets of the show and was thoroughly unimpressed. I am surprised that the ratings for this year's show were so low, however. I mean they had BTS and Beyonce present as well as a ton of other relevant artists; you'd expect much higher ratings given the amount of big names present.

That said, I'm so sick of Taylor Swift. Her winning AOTY multiple times seems incredibly unfair, especially since her music is basic as heck. I'll never understand why she's called a gifted songwriter when many of her newer songs sound like they've been written by a team of Swedish songwriters. She isn't a particularly good singer either so her success has always boggled my mind.

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v10letblues said:

U couldn't pay me 2 attend or watch any of these shows.

MickyDolenz said:

domainator2010 said:

No, you're right. It's true.

No it isn't true. The same time those acts were out, so were these:

Only 2 Live Crew got exposure though to cause a stink

phunkdaddy said:

MickyDolenz said:

No it isn't true. The same time those acts were out, so were these:

Only 2 Live Crew got exposure though to cause a stink

Exactly none of them got any exposure, except 2 live crew and they got it more to try and get things banned and censored. But the other acts all of them combined in their careers sold less and even less exposure than Prince's "NEWS" instrumental CD. Which in a way, I think its funny how all these women always winning awards, Beyonce and Taylor and others, but the Rap female exposure and ones that get heard, Nicki, Cardi and Meg and hmmmm interesting what they all have in common, their sex appeal and only their sex appeal.

SoulAlive said:

v10letblues said:

i am not stuck in the past. (as i see some here are)

When it comes to music,I am proud and happy to be “stuck in the past” I prefer to listen to the great,real music that I grew up with instead of the manufactured,boring,crappy music of today.

Be careful. You're coming awfully close to sounding like that Crawford douchebag.

SoulAlive said:

v10letblues said:

i am not stuck in the past. (as i see some here are)

When it comes to music,I am proud and happy to be “stuck in the past” I prefer to listen to the great,real music that I grew up with instead of the manufactured,boring,crappy music of today.

Right on SouAlive!! We know what real music is! Sure, I like some new music too, but the music from the past is just far superior.

lastdecember said:

Exactly none of them got any exposure, except 2 live crew and they got it more to try and get things banned and censored.

They got some kind of exposure. That's how I know they exist. I saw their videos on BET and some were in magazines like Black Beat that I used to buy. I have Y?N-Vee's album and also BO$$, but she was more gangsta rap. The 7669 group were on Motown Records.

Back then there were a lot of videos on MTV & BET of acts and/or songs I never heard on the radio. Some of their videos were shown regularly.

Laptop-produced, non-studio mf's get grammys.

sickening, ain't it?

MickyDolenz said:

lastdecember said:

Exactly none of them got any exposure, except 2 live crew and they got it more to try and get things banned and censored.

They got some kind of exposure. That's how I know they exist. I saw their videos on BET and some were in magazines like Black Beat that I used to buy. I have Y?N-Vee's album and also BO$$, but she was more gangsta rap. The 7669 group were on Motown Records.

Yes they had stuff out, I worked in Music Retail so we saw it all, but having a record out is by no means "exposure" neither is getting an article in a magazine or some play. I mean to put these artists along the exposure of a Cardi B? Cardi B has a million different endorsement deals (which is where the income comes from) those artists are not even near it. And tons of Videos were played then since that was the way but it did not lead to anything for those artists. I mean in the later 80's early 90's there were tons of Freestyle artists that came out of the NYC area, now you had the ones that had a few hits like The Cover Girls, Sweet Sensation and Seduction, Johnny O and Cynthia, and then you had the bottom tier like Laissez Faire, and Company B and others now they had CD's out and even mixes that hit club charts, but I would never lump them into the exposure and "know them" factor of the more well known ones from that era, like a Lisa Lisa and Expose who had gold and platnum records.

PatrickS77 said:

SoulAlive said:

v10letblues said: When it comes to music,I am proud and happy to be “stuck in the past” I prefer to listen to the great,real music that I grew up with instead of the manufactured,boring,crappy music of today.

Be careful. You're coming awfully close to sounding like that Crawford douchebag.

Well he is entitled to his opinion just like you are yours.

lastdecember said:

Yes they had stuff out, I worked in Music Retail so we saw it all, but having a record out is by no means "exposure" neither is getting an article in a magazine or some play. I mean to put these artists along the exposure of a Cardi B? Cardi B has a million different endorsement deals (which is where the income comes from) those artists are not even near it. And tons of Videos were played then since that was the way but it did not lead to anything for those artists. I mean in the later 80's early 90's there were tons of Freestyle artists that came out of the NYC area, now you had the ones that had a few hits like The Cover Girls, Sweet Sensation and Seduction, Johnny O and Cynthia, and then you had the bottom tier like Laissez Faire, and Company B and others now they had CD's out and even mixes that hit club charts, but I would never lump them into the exposure and "know them" factor of the more well known ones from that era, like a Lisa Lisa and Expose who had gold and platnum records.

How popular someone is was not really the point. I was responding to a comment that back then there was Salt-N-Pepa & Queen Latifah, and now there's Cardi B & Megan Thee Stallion. Like it's something new that didn't exist before now. Since you are talking about popularity, there was Lil' Kim & Foxy Brown in the 1990s. Nicki Minaj is basically a clone of Kim, even doing the same kind of poses in photos. Although a singer, Millie Jackson was doing it before all of them in the 1970s

lastdecember said:

MickyDolenz said:

They got some kind of exposure. That's how I know they exist. I saw their videos on BET and some were in magazines like Black Beat that I used to buy. I have Y?N-Vee's album and also BO$$, but she was more gangsta rap. The 7669 group were on Motown Records.

Yes they had stuff out, I worked in Music Retail so we saw it all, but having a record out is by no means "exposure" neither is getting an article in a magazine or some play. I mean to put these artists along the exposure of a Cardi B? Cardi B has a million different endorsement deals (which is where the income comes from) those artists are not even near it. And tons of Videos were played then since that was the way but it did not lead to anything for those artists. I mean in the later 80's early 90's there were tons of Freestyle artists that came out of the NYC area, now you had the ones that had a few hits like The Cover Girls, Sweet Sensation and Seduction, Johnny O and Cynthia, and then you had the bottom tier like Laissez Faire, and Company B and others now they had CD's out and even mixes that hit club charts, but I would never lump them into the exposure and "know them" factor of the more well known ones from that era, like a Lisa Lisa and Expose who had gold and platnum records.

Exactly. I remember seeing the name Y?NVee in the 90's and never heard a song they did.

I actually had to research Youtube to see what they were about. I didn't even know they did a cover of Rose Royce I'm Goin Down the same time Mary J Blige did and I'll admit their version sounds better than Mary J. There are commenters who stated the girls didn't get exposure like they should have especially when there were girl groups coming out every other day then. There were plenty of girl groups that have videos who may get their song sparingly played or not at all on the radio. That doesn't equate major exposure.

Just as you had girl groups like Jade, SWV, EnVogue, Xcape who got major exposure there were many who didn't like Vybe, For Real, Allure, Shades, Kut Klose(except one hit I Like), etc.

phunkdaddy said:

lastdecember said:

Yes they had stuff out, I worked in Music Retail so we saw it all, but having a record out is by no means "exposure" neither is getting an article in a magazine or some play. I mean to put these artists along the exposure of a Cardi B? Cardi B has a million different endorsement deals (which is where the income comes from) those artists are not even near it. And tons of Videos were played then since that was the way but it did not lead to anything for those artists. I mean in the later 80's early 90's there were tons of Freestyle artists that came out of the NYC area, now you had the ones that had a few hits like The Cover Girls, Sweet Sensation and Seduction, Johnny O and Cynthia, and then you had the bottom tier like Laissez Faire, and Company B and others now they had CD's out and even mixes that hit club charts, but I would never lump them into the exposure and "know them" factor of the more well known ones from that era, like a Lisa Lisa and Expose who had gold and platnum records.

Exactly. I remember seeing the name Y?NVee in the 90's and never heard a song they did.

I actually had to research Youtube to see what they were about. I didn't even know they did a cover of Rose Royce I'm Goin Down the same time Mary J Blige did and I'll admit their version sounds better than Mary J. There are commenters who stated the girls didn't get exposure like they should have especially when there were girl groups coming out every other day then. There were plenty of girl groups that have videos who may get their song sparingly played or not at all on the radio. That doesn't equate major exposure.

Just as you had girl groups like Jade, SWV, EnVogue, Xcape who got major exposure there were many who didn't like Vybe, For Real, Allure, Shades, Kut Klose(except one hit I Like), etc.

Yes remember them in fact went to the album release party (when they did those things back in the day) for SHADES, I remember really liking them and no one really knowing who the heck they were for the most part.

Just a nudge to get old folks set in their ways thinking nothing could be better than what they already know and not want to expand your horizons.

.

Here is the clip of Harry Styles opening the show.

As a music lover, if you do not think this is sublime, then there is nothing left to say.

The hightlight is the little bass solo near the end.

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Check it out

https://youtu.be/teoHWCMnpFE

v10letblues said:

Just a nudge to get old folks set in their ways thinking nothing could be better than what they already know and not want to expand your horizons.

.

Here is the clip of Harry Styles opening the show.

As a music lover, if you do not think this is sublime, then there is nothing left to say.

The hightlight is the little bass solo near the end.

.

Check it out

https://youtu.be/teoHWCMnpFE

my daughter has both the Fine Line and Purple Rain posters on her wall!

Not to say this or that, but she got the PR poster from me and knows what's up.

v10letblues said:

MotownSubdivision said:

v10letblues said:

Just a nudge to get old folks set in their ways thinking nothing could be better than what they already know and not want to expand your horizons.

.

Here is the clip of Harry Styles opening the show.

As a music lover, if you do not think this is sublime, then there is nothing left to say.

The hightlight is the little bass solo near the end.

.

Check it out

https://youtu.be/teoHWCMnpFE

That was actually all right. I like those backing vocals.

The kids are alright.

v10letblues said:

MotownSubdivision said:

v10letblues said:

The kids are alright.

The song itself is OK to but that live version is defo better. He's not a bad mover on stage either. BTW, I'm not one of these boomers on here, I'm actually 27 so I'm more of a young guy set in my ways

yes that live version is great. love the horns. and yes its not like a "masterpiece" but Prince's 'Head" is not a masterpiece, just very enjoyable. but i do find that live version head bopping blissful