JorisE73 said:

RJOrion said:

JorisE73 said:

Then you should know better.

you should really stop...your swastika and KKK hoodie, is showing up prominently next to your screen name

LOL, you really are deaf, dumb and blind. Stop making up things because there is 0 evide3nce to your claims and lies. So keep being a white people hating ignorant fool and you will always be and stay what you are.

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If u leave the door open people/kids/pets might see u. Maybe u all can debate that.

MickyDolenz said:

Y'all should start a thred over in P&R. It's full of reverse racists.

3rdeyedude said:

Y'all should start a thred over in P&R. It's full of reverse racists.

I surely wouldn't make threads about Tiny Tim & Ren Faire music if I was a racist, and also would not use the name Micky Dolenz. That's from a parody music video of Hotep dudes in the movie CB4. I don't care about the government or politics anyway, so I've never looked at that section.

3rdeyedude said:

Such a happy feelgood song and look where we are now...

MickyDolenz said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Free2BMe said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I really like "Leave The Door Open." I'm looking forward to the new record.

I ain't even got time for the culture vulture bullshit, like Prince didn't copy over other muthafukka before him. All those fills, silky ballads, big group songs, etc., - James, Sly, Santana, Parliament, etc etc.

People bark about "music ain't what it used to be," or "music died in 1990," but when a real musician actually makes real music folks are suddenly up in their feelings calling it appropriation. You can't have it both ways.

Y'all don't like Bruno. Go buy something else. I mean goddamn, Bootsy's on the fucking record. Listen up or sit down.

:yeahthat:

I am so tired of this cultural appropriation shit. It’s weak as hell. Bruno Mars is a talented singer and musician. Him teaming up with another talented singer and musician, Anderson Paak is icing on the cake. What really pisses me off is the hypocrisy on this org. I always hear this crap about “real musicians” playing real instruments. Bruno is a REAL musician who can play multiple instruments and Anderson is a REAL musician who is one of the best drummers out now or before.
You people act as if Bruno and Anderson are some “lightweight” artists. They are not. These guys are as talented as anyone out there and deserve respect. Their new project Silk Sonic “Leave The Door Open” is 🔥. I haven’t been this excited about any project since Michael released Invincible.

MotownSubdivision said:

3rdeyedude said:

Y'all should start a thred over in P&R. It's full of reverse racists.

No such thing as "reverse-racists".

Sorry, I guess I meant to say it's full of racists (mostly black people that attack whites just because they are white or have a different opinion than them). It's the same ones in here that use the word 'culture vultures' and blame whites for all the evils of society. Prince appropriated white culture in the beginning to make money and denied his white heritage to the media to gain mass appeal. Canadian actor turned rapper Drake appropriates American black culture & hip hop to make money and make him seem like someone he is not. So what!! All musicians appropriate music of all types and all cultures - there is no right or wrong. Sick of threads like this turning into some racist bullshit. And my point is -take it over to P&R forum if you want to steer way off topic again.

3rdeyedude said:

Free2BMe said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I really like "Leave The Door Open." I'm looking forward to the new record.

I ain't even got time for the culture vulture bullshit, like Prince didn't copy over other muthafukka before him. All those fills, silky ballads, big group songs, etc., - James, Sly, Santana, Parliament, etc etc.

People bark about "music ain't what it used to be," or "music died in 1990," but when a real musician actually makes real music folks are suddenly up in their feelings calling it appropriation. You can't have it both ways.

Y'all don't like Bruno. Go buy something else. I mean goddamn, Bootsy's on the fucking record. Listen up or sit down.

:yeahthat:

I am so tired of this cultural appropriation shit. It’s weak as hell. Bruno Mars is a talented singer and musician. Him teaming up with another talented singer and musician, Anderson Paak is icing on the cake. What really pisses me off is the hypocrisy on this org. I always hear this crap about “real musicians” playing real instruments. Bruno is a REAL musician who can play multiple instruments and Anderson is a REAL musician who is one of the best drummers out now or before.
You people act as if Bruno and Anderson are some “lightweight” artists. They are not. These guys are as talented as anyone out there and deserve respect. Their new project Silk Sonic “Leave The Door Open” is 🔥. I haven’t been this excited about any project since Michael released Invincible.

Free2BMe said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I really like "Leave The Door Open." I'm looking forward to the new record.

I ain't even got time for the culture vulture bullshit, like Prince didn't copy over other muthafukka before him. All those fills, silky ballads, big group songs, etc., - James, Sly, Santana, Parliament, etc etc.

People bark about "music ain't what it used to be," or "music died in 1990," but when a real musician actually makes real music folks are suddenly up in their feelings calling it appropriation. You can't have it both ways.

Y'all don't like Bruno. Go buy something else. I mean goddamn, Bootsy's on the fucking record. Listen up or sit down.

I am so tired of this cultural appropriation shit. It’s weak as hell. Bruno Mars is a talented singer and musician. Him teaming up with another talented singer and musician, Anderson Paak is icing on the cake. What really pisses me off is the hypocrisy on this org. I always hear this crap about “real musicians” playing real instruments. Bruno is a REAL musician who can play multiple instruments and Anderson is a REAL musician who is one of the best drummers out now or before. You people act as if Bruno and Anderson are some “lightweight” artists. They are not. These guys are as talented as anyone out there and deserve respect. Their new project Silk Sonic “Leave The Door Open” is 🔥. I haven’t been this excited about any project since Michael released Invincible.

Talent aside, the song is weak as water.

Graycap23 said:

Free2BMe said:

Graycap23 said:

Talent aside, the song is weak as water.

I don’t think this song was meant to be some experimental,mind blowing kind of thing. It is a feel good song and the first time I heard it, I FELT GOOD. I have heard it many, many, many times and the feeling is the same: It makes me feel good and that seems to be the general consensus among 100% of the comments that I have read online. Btw, I’m trying to figure out how a song played by extremely talented REAL musicians on REAL instruments is considered “weak”.These guys and their band Silk Sonic are going to sound as good or better live in concert and I am here for it. We are not going to play this game and act as if these guys and their band are not talented. THEY ARE TALENTED. Finally, if this song is not your cup of tea, then don’t listen to it. Ignore it. That’s what I do when I don’t like something. It’s really quite simple, really.

lol.......u actually think because they are using "real" instruments that it automatically must be or will be a good song?

Look, I love music and I'll take good music from any source on Earth, this just doesnt fit the bill.

If u like it, great, but dont try 2 make it out 2 be what it isn't. It's just a generic ass sounding song, pretending 2 be an old school song, when it comes off as some cheap ass high school talent show joint.

What I think most listeners who dislike Bruno's music at face value fail to comprehend, is that creating commercially successful, yet uncompromising art is one of the most challenging and demanding skills an artist could master. Pop songs are often underappreciated in the way they sound straightforward at face value, but the fact is, making solid, timeless hits is a very delicate art that only few could understand to begin with, let alone learn.

Take the example of cinema. You can swim all you like in the sea of experimentation, you can use all the infrequent cinematography techniques and rare coloring compositions, you're free to indulge in complex storytelling all you like and create very compound characters, once your film is out there, critics will hail it as a masterpiece and it will become an indie classic that only true fans of cinema will appreciate, but it will never be a worldwide famous, culturally significant body of work if it fails to connect to the average human being, if it fails to adhere to the most common of the universal values human nature can uphold. The magic only happens if it's able to connect to people from different age demographics, ethnicities, cultures and locations.

On the other hand, take a film like Pulp Fiction, that masterfully mixes a rare technique that is non-linear storytelling, with an accessible and fun plot throughout its entire duration. This way, the movie succeeds at being outstanding both in substance and style.

This is just an analogy. Paul McCartney once said that it was harder for him to make 4-chords songs set in Major keys sound "musical" and "solid" than craft the harmonically complex parts of songs like "You Never Give Me Your Money" or "For the Benefit of Mr Kite".

As to "Leave the Door Open", I definitely agree that the groove and the feel of the song is rooted in Philadelphia soul music, particularly the Delfonics (for me), but I can't possibly ignore how outstanding it sounds mixing wise, how it's beautifully modulated (The verses in C Major, the Pre-Chorus in E flat major, and the bridge in A flat, with a line in G flat - Basically 4 chord changes, the musicians on the org will know that this is no easy task to do, songwriting wise). All this to say, that despite the fact that it's inspired by an older genre of music, it still sounds fresh, and .Paak's verses do actually have a rhythmic call-and-response almost rap-ish kind of delivery that I never heard in a Philly soul song before.

In the end, music like all arts remains subjective. Your brain is free to reject and dislike any musical tones or lyrics your ears intercept. Everyone's wired differently. But truthfully, I think the hate for Bruno Mars for the sake of him being genuinely influenced by the beautiful and exciting genres of R&B, soul and funk, a hate that is shielded by the questionable argument of "lack of originality and authenticity", is enormously exaggerated and it's the result of people taking it "personally". Especially that in the last decade, plenty of funk-inspired music by artists like Childish Gambino, Pharrell, Daft Punk, Lizzo etc has been well-received if not tolerated by the folks in this forum, yet when it comes to Bruno Mars, to them, he amounts to nothing but a dilettante.

[Edited 3/22/21 6:26am]

Nice post but where I identify the problem with Bruno's music is that it's not timeless, it just evokes other music. It's fine in the moment but you'll likely reach for the source if you want to listen to something six months later.

If I want to listen to someone who sounds like the Police I don't reach for Bruno Mars you know? If I want to listen to something new and exciting I don't reach for Bruno Mars either. If i'm putting together a tribute or filling out new music quota on my commercial easy-listening radio station I will reach for the latest Bruno Mars because he slots in fine with everything else... and no further than that.

Uptown Funk aside (and maybe a few more), his music has little staying power, and it's because there's no Bruno Mars sound. He'll do fine but don't expect his albums to be listened to by the next generation when they could reach for Prince or the Police or actual 70s soul, and don't expect critics to be keeping the flame burning writing retrospectives when he's out of public view.

[Edited 3/22/21 7:40am]

Evokes it really well sucka.

2freaky4church1 said:

Evokes it really well sucka.

No argument here. Like I said, it's the Rutles. The Rutles are good!

jaawwnn said:

Nice post but where I identify the problem with Bruno's music is that it's not timeless, it just evokes other music. It's fine in the moment but you'll likely reach for the source if you want to listen to something six months later.

If I want to listen to someone who sounds like the Police I don't reach for Bruno Mars you know? If I want to listen to something new and exciting I don't reach for Bruno Mars either. If i'm putting together a tribute or filling out new music quota on my commercial easy-listening radio station I will reach for the latest Bruno Mars because he slots in fine with everything else... and no further than that.

Uptown Funk aside (and maybe a few more), his music has little staying power, and it's because there's no Bruno Mars sound. He'll do fine but don't expect his albums to be listened to by the next generation when they could reach for Prince or the Police or actual 70s soul, and don't expect critics to be keeping the flame burning writing retrospectives when he's out of public view.

[Edited 3/22/21 7:40am]

His first album, Doo-Wops & Hooligans, has spent 514 weeks on the US Albums chart (almost ten years), the 10th in history after renowned classic albums like The Dark Side of the Moon and Bob Marley's Legend compilation. In fact, amongst the artists who debuted in the last decade, Bruno has insane longevity on the charts, as well as Adele and Kendrick Lamar. Not that the charts are that significant of a metric to measure an artist's impact, but the numbers DO mean something; In this case, people still buy/stream his album a decade after it was released. One should also consider that the climate of music has changed, and newer generations emerge quickly. I am sure many people consider 24K Magic a solid, feel-good pop album that is packed with feel-good upbeat songs, something they will revisit whenever they want to throw a party or celebrate a wedding. Yes, you may think that's worth nothing compared to albums that are poignant, meaningful and filled with cutting-edge artistry or brilliant original sounds, but that's actually a true form of impact that's misunderstood and underappreciated.

[Edited 3/22/21 9:49am]

The albums charts mean nothing and have meant nothing since the dominance of the mp3. There's no doubting his success though, he is currently 9th most streamed artist on Spotify, which is an actual metric we can use in 2021.

If you want to try and convince yourself that he's going to be as important to generations of young people as Bob Marley and Pink Floyd have been then that's on you. I think a better comparison would be solo Lionel Richie who beat Purple Rain, Born in the USA, Private Dancer and She's so Unusual to album of the year in the 1985 Grammys with the extremely likeable and extremebly lightweight Can't Slow Down. Can't argue with success, right?

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Shawy89 said:

According to Chartmasters, these are the 20 biggest selling acts of the 2010s.

1: Adele
2: Drake
3: Ed Sheeran
4: Just Bieber
5: Taylor Swift
6: Rihanna
7: Bruno Mars
8: One Direction
9: BTS
10: Eminem
11: Maroon 5
12: Nicki Minaj
13: Katy Perry
14: Ariana Grande
15: Imagine Dragons
16: Coldplay
17: Lady Gaga
18: Kendrick Lamar
19: Beyoncé
20: David Guetta

MickyDolenz said:

According to Chartmasters, these are the 20 biggest selling acts of the 2010s.

1: Adele
2: Drake
3: Ed Sheeran
4: Just Bieber
5: Taylor Swift
6: Rihanna
7: Bruno Mars
8: One Direction
9: BTS
10: Eminem
11: Maroon 5
12: Nicki Minaj
13: Katy Perry
14: Ariana Grande
15: Imagine Dragons
16: Coldplay
17: Lady Gaga
18: Kendrick Lamar
19: Beyoncé
20: David Guetta

Yikes. I only like 3/20.

Graycap23 said:

MickyDolenz said:

According to Chartmasters, these are the 20 biggest selling acts of the 2010s.

1: Adele
2: Drake
3: Ed Sheeran
4: Just Bieber
5: Taylor Swift
6: Rihanna
7: Bruno Mars
8: One Direction
9: BTS
10: Eminem
11: Maroon 5
12: Nicki Minaj
13: Katy Perry
14: Ariana Grande
15: Imagine Dragons
16: Coldplay
17: Lady Gaga
18: Kendrick Lamar
19: Beyoncé
20: David Guetta

Yikes. I only like 3/20.

Then, you are now an old MF.

Just like the .Org.

nayroo2002 said:

Graycap23 said:

Yikes. I only like 3/20.

Then, you are now an old MF.

Just like the .Org.

If the music doesn't move me, how does that make me old?

I dig H.E.R., Ro james, and a handful of artist under 30.

Whar does that mean? There is no age limit 2 making good music.

The artist on this list ia a word? WACK.

Graycap23 said:

nayroo2002 said:

Then, you are now an old MF.

Just like the .Org.

If the music doesn't move me, how does that make me old?

I dig H.E.R., Ro james, and a handful of artist under 30.

Whar does that mean? There is no age limit 2 making good music.

The artist on this list ia a word? WACK.

i don't like all the acts on that list, either.

But, i'm not angry about it...