The modern US/UK Top 40 is algorithmic, and Unlistenable. If today's children listen to this stuff - well, we're Doomed. Considering that all the OLD stuff, the music of our childhood, IS archived on the web, on Youtube - what about doing something ABOUT it? Hipping today's kids to OUR music? We can do that right ON the web, isn't it? There needs to be some kind of proactive "music appreciation" or "education" - it's obvious that nothing like that exists, which is where today's charts come from. So - now what? Is there some LAW, even for young people, that new is necessarily better than old?? What do you guys say?

they took teaching of musical instruments out of most schools curriculums... thats a big part of the problem...there used to be teen bands everywhee...now kids look at you crazy if you suggest they take guitar or piano or drum lessons..

What do you mean that young people don't listen to old music? How do you think The Beatles continue to be popular 50 years after they ceased to exist? The Beatles don't only sell music either. The Fab 4 has dolls, Lego sets, Monopoly games, video games, movies based on their music like Yesterday, and a popular Cirque du Soleil show. Movies about NWA & Queen are the highest grossing biopics in history. Go to Youtube and look at the view counts of oldies like Boogie Wonderland, Last Christmas, Thriller, Get Down On It, U Can't Touch This, Stayin' Alive, In The Air Tonight, etc.

They also hear old music through samples like on DJ Khaled songs. Also there are current mainstream popular artists like Bruno Mars, Michael Bublé, & Pharrell who are basically doing retro music. So is Chris Stapleton. Pentatonix is like an updated doo wop group or like a secular Take 6. Oldies are in video games like the GTA series, movies like Happy Feet & Guardians Of The Galaxy, TV shows, and commercials. The Fleetwood Mac song Dreams recently became popular on a viral TikTok video. Both the song and the album Rumours re-entered the Billboard charts because of it. There's also a lot of young adults & teens who make reaction videos to old songs. There's lots of them on Youtube. Jimmy Fallon & Sting even talked about a reaction video by twin brothers about The Police's Roxanne. It was about a month a 2 ago on Jimmy's show.

There is the case that younger audiences are more likely to be part of cancel culture. So if an older artist has outdated lyrics that are today considered offensive or if they did something in their provate life that the audience doesn't dig. The young audience is less likely to want to listen to those songs or artists.

My daughter was angry with me one day for not exposing her to the Beatles. I told I didn't want to listen to my mother's music and thought she would feel the same.( I was also a bit hooked on NPR and that replaced music for a long time)

Anyway, she said all of her friends were exposed to them by their parents.I was surprised.

RJOrion said:

they took teaching of musical instruments out of most schools curriculums... thats a big part of the problem...there used to be teen bands everywhee...now kids look at you crazy if you suggest they take guitar or piano or drum lessons..

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THIS!

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Also add in the introduction of DAW (digital audio workstation) such as Ableton, Garageband. Now kids that don't know how to play instruments take college courses to learn software that is fluid, changing and often the software itself becomes obsolete after a few years.

My now adult kids have admitted and actually said to me, that music was so much better in my day than what they have now. I tell them that yes, we were definitely blessed with the best, a time when bands made their own music and actually sang themselves and played their own instruments. In their words, they call the music today "garbage".

alphastreet said:

MickyDolenz said:

What do you mean that young people don't listen to old music? How do you think The Beatles continue to be popular 50 years after they ceased to exist? The Beatles don't only sell music either. The Fab 4 has dolls, Lego sets, Monopoly games, video games, movies based on their music like Yesterday, and a popular Cirque du Soleil show. Movies about NWA & Queen are the highest grossing biopics in history. Go to Youtube and look at the view counts of oldies like Boogie Wonderland, Last Christmas, Thriller, Get Down On It, U Can't Touch This, Stayin' Alive, In The Air Tonight, etc.

They also hear old music through samples like on DJ Khaled songs. Also there are current mainstream popular artists like Bruno Mars, Michael Bublé, & Pharrell who are basically doing retro music. So is Chris Stapleton. Pentatonix is like an updated doo wop group or like a secular Take 6. Oldies are in video games like the GTA series, movies like Happy Feet & Guardians Of The Galaxy, TV shows, and commercials. The Fleetwood Mac song Dreams recently became popular on a viral TikTok video. Both the song and the album Rumours re-entered the Billboard charts because of it. There's also a lot of young adults & teens who make reaction videos to old songs. There's lots of them on Youtube. Jimmy Fallon & Sting even talked about a reaction video by twin brothers about The Police's Roxanne. It was about a month a 2 ago on Jimmy's show.

There is the case that younger audiences are more likely to be part of cancel culture. So if an older artist has outdated lyrics that are today considered offensive or if they did something in their provate life that the audience doesn't dig. The young audience is less likely to want to listen to those songs or artists.

Come on, mate. I appreciate the sentiment in your post, but all that is a fraction of the total music that today's young people consume, isn't it?

StrangeButTrue said:

RJOrion said:

they took teaching of musical instruments out of most schools curriculums... thats a big part of the problem...there used to be teen bands everywhee...now kids look at you crazy if you suggest they take guitar or piano or drum lessons..

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THIS!

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Also add in the introduction of DAW (digital audio workstation) such as Ableton, Garageband. Now kids that don't know how to play instruments take college courses to learn software that is fluid, changing and often the software itself becomes obsolete after a few years.

Absolutely. There's No Doubt that computers killed a Lot.

domainator2010 said:

Come on, mate. I appreciate the sentiment in your post, but all that is a fraction of the total music that today's young people consume, isn't it?

So was the average watcher of MTV in the 1980s checking out for Bing Crosby, Rosemary Clooney, Harry Belafonte, Andy Williams, Pat Boone, Peggy Lee, Herman's Hermits, Al Jolson, Miles Davis, Benny Goodman, etc? They did catch on to The Monkees because MTV reran the show. In the ame way some old songs became popular again through the use in movies like Stand By Me by Ben E. King, What A Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong, & La Bamba by Richie Valens.

Most generations listen to their own music, not their parents or grandparents music. The older generation usually puts down their childrens music. It happened with jazz & the flapper generation of the 1920s. Frank Sinatra put down 1950s rock n roll. Parents complained about Elvis & his dancing. So he was only shown waist up. Parents complained about The Beatles long hair in the early 1960s. People put down disco, adult contemporary, glam metal, new wave, hip hop, teen idol singers, and whatever else was popular at any time.

JayCrawford said:

Even Prince himself said this on George Lopez show one time.

So if Prince said it, then it must be true. Alrighty then.

MickyDolenz said:

JayCrawford said:

MickyDolenz said:

So if Prince said it, then it must be true. Alrighty then.

Is a fact though lol, the 60s, 70s and 80s gave us the greatest piece of art of the 20th century of music and the talent then too. So many cultural impactful moments and historical moments that changed the game. It was the golden age of many music genres from rock, soul, funk, reggae. Care to explain to me what evolution music has had since the 80s? What cultural moments it has had since? Or legends? [Edited 12/10/20 7:31am]

The rise and takeover by hiphop culture revolutionized music since the 80's. Inarguably

RJOrion said:

JayCrawford said:

Is a fact though lol, the 60s, 70s and 80s gave us the greatest piece of art of the 20th century of music and the talent then too.

You mean like The Archies, 1910 Fruitgum Company, Boney M, & Milli Vanilli? People or the media & oldies radio tend to pick out certain acts that were popular and think that's all there was. I can pull up a Billboard chart from those decades and I'm sure the average person won't even know who a lot of the artists or songs are. Including people who were around when they were hits.

MickyDolenz said:

JayCrawford said:

Besides rap and rise of MTV music videos. What else? Because after the 80s it was just rehash throughout the 90s and 00s.

Grunge according to Rolling Stone magazine. Nirvana in particular.

MickyDolenz said:

I'd say that Napster was a big thing that really changed music.* "Downloading killed the video star" .

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MickyDolenz said:

JayCrawford said:

I mean sure... But doesn't change the fact that the 60s, 70s and 80s was the golden ages.

Why not the 1st decade of the 1900s? Ragtime (& Scott Joplin) was the first recorded music to really become a big hit with mainstream audiences. Also movie musicals and singing cowboy movies starting the 1930s were popular with audiences. The Wizard Of Oz (1939) is still popular to this day. You must think only baby boomer music is the only music that is valid.

MickyDolenz said:

IMHO the rise of meme/gif non-rhythmic "dance" trends demonstrate how un-funky current music is.

IMHO the rise of meme/gif non-rhythmic "dance" trends demonstrate how un-funky current music is.

domainator2010 said: