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PrintableMotownSubdivision said: JayCrawford said: I mean... I'm not the one who's trying to argue against facts about Michael Jackson crying when Epic were refusing Quincy Jones to work with him. Is on that Spike Lee documentary. Instead of crying about it. Do some research kid [Edited 12/18/20 8:51am] Huh? | |
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Just wanted to say that Quincy Jones was the one who Asked MJ to produce his album. They were on the set of The Wiz when Quincy volunteered to produce Michael’s album. BTW, I have never heard that crap that MJ cried because Epic refused to allow Quincy to work with him. Where does that fuckery come from? [Edited 12/20/20 7:41am] | |
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Uh, excuse you! To Prince fans, Michael Jackson and Madonna were "never in the same category" as Prince! All Michael could do better than Prince, was dance, but Prince wrote his own songs, played his own instruments, and could sing his ass off, in both low and high pitch. He wasn't some one note, commercialized puppet, who only thought that "making the charts and having chart success" was his end all and be all. [Edited 12/10/20 11:44am] Uh, Excuse YOU! Your statement goes both ways. To Michael Jackson fans, Prince was never in the same category as Michael. Michael didn’t write all of his songs, but he wrote his BIGGEST HITS all by himself with NO co-writer. It sickens me when some people, especially Prince fans, try to diminish MJ’s contribution to his music. Michael was not some “commercialized one note “puppet”, who allowed others to dictate what he sang or wrote. I’m a musician; therefore, I give Prince much respect for his musicianship and talent. However, I am not going to sit around and allow insecure and jealous fans of Prince or ANY artist, to act as if Michael didn’t write some great songs SOLELY by himself. I have a list of 30+ songs Michael wrote. Not just lyrics, but melodies, instrumentation, etc. I have never understood why Prince fans need to tear down Michael in order to build Prince up. It is petty, childish, and insecure. Prince was a master musician. No one can take that from him. Michael was a master entertainer, who also wrote some great music and songs that will forever be in the pantheon of music history. Ignorance will not change that fact, just because SOME of you want to do that. | |
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JayCrawford said: Exactly. | |
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Free2BMe said: Just wanted to say that Quincy Jones was the one who Asked MJ to produce his album. They were on the set of The Wiz when Quincy volunteered to produce Michael’s album. BTW, I have never heard that crap that MJ cried because Epic refused to allow Quincy to work with him. Where does that fuckery come from? [Edited 12/20/20 7:41am] Someone clearly didn't watch Spike Lee's documentary called. Michael Jackson's Journey from Motown to Off the Wall. They clearly spoke about on this documentary. Once again just because YOU specifically never heard Michael crying about it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Because once again it was confirmed that he was crying because Epic were refusing because Quincy was mostly known for his Jazz work. Do yourself a favour and watch the documentary or shut the fuck up. | |
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MotownSubdivision said: JayCrawford said: Huh? Exactly? I don't watch cartoons at all so I don't get it. You kids make me laugh | |
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Free2BMe said: looby said:
Uh, excuse you! To Prince fans, Michael Jackson and Madonna were "never in the same category" as Prince! All Michael could do better than Prince, was dance, but Prince wrote his own songs, played his own instruments, and could sing his ass off, in both low and high pitch. He wasn't some one note, commercialized puppet, who only thought that "making the charts and having chart success" was his end all and be all. [Edited 12/10/20 11:44am] Uh, Excuse YOU! Your statement goes both ways. To Michael Jackson fans, Prince was never in the same category as Michael. Michael didn’t write all of his songs, but he wrote his BIGGEST HITS all by himself with NO co-writer. It sickens me when some people, especially Prince fans, try to diminish MJ’s contribution to his music. Michael was not some “commercialized one note “puppet”, who allowed others to dictate what he sang or wrote. I’m a musician; therefore, I give Prince much respect for his musicianship and talent. However, I am not going to sit around and allow insecure and jealous fans of Prince or ANY artist, to act as if Michael didn’t write some great songs SOLELY by himself. I have a list of 30+ songs Michael wrote. Not just lyrics, but melodies, instrumentation, etc. I have never understood why Prince fans need to tear down Michael in order to build Prince up. It is petty, childish, and insecure. Prince was a master musician. No one can take that from him. Michael was a master entertainer, who also wrote some great music and songs that will forever be in the pantheon of music history. Ignorance will not change that fact, just because SOME of you want to do that. Oh god we have another die hard obsessed Michael Jackson fan. One of those "I'll defend Michael and sacrifice my life for him" kind of fan. Quincy Jones, Rod Terperton, Bruce Swedien... Hell even John Landis for Thriller were the mastermind behind Michael's 3 big albums. Michael Jackson was a master entertainer? I mean if you think lip syncing your whole show is amazing then sure. Someone like James Brown was much a superior entertainer than Michael, better musician than Michael Jackson too. [Edited 12/20/20 10:49am] | |
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Uh, oh... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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To be fair, most of the victory and bad tours were not lip sync he’d and he developed vocal problems in the 90s. It’s true that songs like Billie Jean, don’t stop, smooth criminal are credited to mj, I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand that he was behind some of his greatest songs | |
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JayCrawford said: Free2BMe said: Uh, Excuse YOU! Your statement goes both ways. To Michael Jackson fans, Prince was never in the same category as Michael. Michael didn’t write all of his songs, but he wrote his BIGGEST HITS all by himself with NO co-writer. It sickens me when some people, especially Prince fans, try to diminish MJ’s contribution to his music. Michael was not some “commercialized one note “puppet”, who allowed others to dictate what he sang or wrote. I’m a musician; therefore, I give Prince much respect for his musicianship and talent. However, I am not going to sit around and allow insecure and jealous fans of Prince or ANY artist, to act as if Michael didn’t write some great songs SOLELY by himself. I have a list of 30+ songs Michael wrote. Not just lyrics, but melodies, instrumentation, etc. I have never understood why Prince fans need to tear down Michael in order to build Prince up. It is petty, childish, and insecure. Prince was a master musician. No one can take that from him. Michael was a master entertainer, who also wrote some great music and songs that will forever be in the pantheon of music history. Ignorance will not change that fact, just because SOME of you want to do that. Oh god we have another die hard obsessed Michael Jackson fan. One of those "I'll defend Michael and sacrifice my life for him" kind of fan. Quincy Jones, Rod Terperton, Bruce Swedien... Hell even John Landis for Thriller were the mastermind behind Michael's 3 big albums. Michael Jackson was a master entertainer? I mean if you think lip syncing your whole show is amazing then sure. Someone like James Brown was much a superior entertainer than Michael, better musician than Michael Jackson too. [Edited 12/20/20 10:49am] What does James Brown have to do with this conversation? We are speaking of your and others like you, OBSESSION with Michael Joseph Jackson. This is not about just defending MJ, it’s about the ignorance and arrogance of people like you who don’t know what you are talking about. Michael wasn’t just an entertainer, he wrote some of the biggest HITS in the history of music. Your ignorance and jealousy doesn’t erase that FACT. Are you even capable of admitting that it was Billie Jean, that was masterminded by Michael, not Quincy, Bruce or John Landis? Are you too ignorant or uniformed to realize that it was Michael who wrote Beat It, not Quincy, Landis or Swedien%? It was Michael who wrote Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough, not Quincy, Landis or Swedien. All of these songs were complete when Quincy heard them. All of these were some of MJ’s biggest hits. Where do you people come up with your fuckery and mis-information? Btw, defending MJ and calling out your lies doesn’t mean that fans are obsessed, just as when you Prince fans defend him. It only means that fans are not going to sit back and allow your lies. It’s alright for you not to like MJ; however, it is not alright for you to TRY and diminish his talent and involvement in the production, songwriting, concepts and everything else in his albums and every part of his mega successful career. | |
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alphastreet said: To be fair, most of the victory and bad tours were not lip sync he’d and he developed vocal problems in the 90s. It’s true that songs like Billie Jean, don’t stop, smooth criminal are credited to mj, I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand that he was behind some of his greatest songs Probably hasn't heard of the internet before using this site. We gotta tell him what a Google is. | |
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Free2BMe said: JayCrawford said: Oh god we have another die hard obsessed Michael Jackson fan. One of those "I'll defend Michael and sacrifice my life for him" kind of fan. Quincy Jones, Rod Terperton, Bruce Swedien... Hell even John Landis for Thriller were the mastermind behind Michael's 3 big albums. Michael Jackson was a master entertainer? I mean if you think lip syncing your whole show is amazing then sure. Someone like James Brown was much a superior entertainer than Michael, better musician than Michael Jackson too. [Edited 12/20/20 10:49am] What does James Brown have to do with this conversation? We are speaking of your and others like you, OBSESSION with Michael Joseph Jackson. This is not about just defending MJ, it’s about the ignorance and arrogance of people like you who don’t know what you are talking about. Michael wasn’t just an entertainer, he wrote some of the biggest HITS in the history of music. Your ignorance and jealousy doesn’t erase that FACT. Are you even capable of admitting that it was Billie Jean, that was masterminded by Michael, not Quincy, Bruce or John Landis? Are you too ignorant or uniformed to realize that it was Michael who wrote Beat It, not Quincy, Landis or Swedien%? It was Michael who wrote Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough, not Quincy, Landis or Swedien. All of these songs were complete when Quincy heard them. All of these were some of MJ’s biggest hits. Where do you people come up with your fuckery and mis-information? Btw, defending MJ and calling out your lies doesn’t mean that fans are obsessed, just as when you Prince fans defend him. It only means that fans are not going to sit back and allow your lies. It’s alright for you not to like MJ; however, it is not alright for you to TRY and diminish his talent and involvement in the production, songwriting, concepts and everything else in his albums and every part of his mega successful career. Don't Stop Till You Get Enough... You mean the same song Michael Jackson told Quincy to take the violin noises out at the beginning of Don't Stop Till You Get Enough but Quincy didn't listen because he was a true musician? https://m.youtube.com/wat...K6M5jPsolQ What lies have I spread exactly? So I'm lying about John Landis who was the director for Thriller the video? I'm lying about Quincy Jones who was the main producer for Michaels 3 biggest selling albums? Please explain the lies. Remind me... Wasn't it Michael who wanted to work with John Landis after seeing one of his films? I'll wait for that answer. I mentioned James Brown because you made a claim that Michael was the master of entertainment when he wasn't. Lip syncing your shows doesn't make you a master. I'm ready for some bullshit excuses you're going to make for that by the way. I'm not even the biggest Prince fan but Prince was far more talented than Michael ever was... Also he never lip synced his concert's... Didn't need to steal other dance moves unlike Michael. https://m.youtube.com/wat...-6Mdy9NRuQ No need to have an emotional breakdown. | |
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MotownSubdivision said: alphastreet said: To be fair, most of the victory and bad tours were not lip sync he’d and he developed vocal problems in the 90s. It’s true that songs like Billie Jean, don’t stop, smooth criminal are credited to mj, I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand that he was behind some of his greatest songs Probably hasn't heard of the internet before using this site. We gotta tell him what a Google is. Your obsession with me disturbing. You're still mad because of your hilarious comparison with 70s and 90s music lol? The same kid who was wrong about the reasoning behind why the disco revival was happening in the mid 90s? Get off my ass | |
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alphastreet said: To be fair, most of the victory and bad tours were not lip sync he’d and he developed vocal problems in the 90s. It’s true that songs like Billie Jean, don’t stop, smooth criminal are credited to mj, I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand that he was behind some of his greatest songs What vocal problems? James Brown was a crack head, took PCP for a long time and he was damaging himself physically but he still never lip synced his own shows. Those are the only 2 shows Michael never lip synced... Dangerous 50/50 lip synced and live, History Tour lip synced, Michael & Friends lip synced, 30th anniversary show lip synced. No excuses🤣 | |
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JayCrawford said: MotownSubdivision said: Probably hasn't heard of the internet before using this site.
We gotta tell him what a Google is. Your obsession with me disturbing. You're still mad because of your hilarious comparison with 70s and 90s music lol? The same kid who was wrong about the reasoning behind why the disco revival was happening in the mid 90s? Get off my ass *yawn* Sorry, your idiocy and baseless arrogance is just fun to point out. But I'll leave your sorry ass alone now. [Edited 12/20/20 15:45pm] | |
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JayCrawford said: alphastreet said: To be fair, most of the victory and bad tours were not lip sync he’d and he developed vocal problems in the 90s. It’s true that songs like Billie Jean, don’t stop, smooth criminal are credited to mj, I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand that he was behind some of his greatest songs What vocal problems? James Brown was a crack head, took PCP for a long time and he was damaging himself physically but he still never lip synced his own shows. Those are the only 2 shows Michael never lip synced... Dangerous 50/50 lip synced and live, History Tour lip synced, Michael & Friends lip synced, 30th anniversary show lip synced. No excuses🤣 He had nodes growing on his vocal cords, but hey if you’re more into James brown, I’m not losing sleep, to each their own | |
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JayCrawford said: Free2BMe said: What does James Brown have to do with this conversation? We are speaking of your and others like you, OBSESSION with Michael Joseph Jackson. This is not about just defending MJ, it’s about the ignorance and arrogance of people like you who don’t know what you are talking about. Michael wasn’t just an entertainer, he wrote some of the biggest HITS in the history of music. Your ignorance and jealousy doesn’t erase that FACT. Are you even capable of admitting that it was Billie Jean, that was masterminded by Michael, not Quincy, Bruce or John Landis? Are you too ignorant or uniformed to realize that it was Michael who wrote Beat It, not Quincy, Landis or Swedien%? It was Michael who wrote Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough, not Quincy, Landis or Swedien. All of these songs were complete when Quincy heard them. All of these were some of MJ’s biggest hits. Where do you people come up with your fuckery and mis-information? Btw, defending MJ and calling out your lies doesn’t mean that fans are obsessed, just as when you Prince fans defend him. It only means that fans are not going to sit back and allow your lies. It’s alright for you not to like MJ; however, it is not alright for you to TRY and diminish his talent and involvement in the production, songwriting, concepts and everything else in his albums and every part of his mega successful career. Don't Stop Till You Get Enough... You mean the same song Michael Jackson told Quincy to take the violin noises out at the beginning of Don't Stop Till You Get Enough but Quincy didn't listen because he was a true musician? https://m.youtube.com/wat...K6M5jPsolQ What lies have I spread exactly? So I'm lying about John Landis who was the director for Thriller the video? I'm lying about Quincy Jones who was the main producer for Michaels 3 biggest selling albums? Please explain the lies. Remind me... Wasn't it Michael who wanted to work with John Landis after seeing one of his films? I'll wait for that answer. I mentioned James Brown because you made a claim that Michael was the master of entertainment when he wasn't. Lip syncing your shows doesn't make you a master. I'm ready for some bullshit excuses you're going to make for that by the way. I'm not even the biggest Prince fan but Prince was far more talented than Michael ever was... Also he never lip synced his concert's... Didn't need to steal other dance moves unlike Michael. https://m.youtube.com/wat...-6Mdy9NRuQ No need to have an emotional breakdown. Sweetie, I’m not the one having an emotional breakdown, you are because you don’t like your lies challenged. I never said that John Landis didn’t direct Thriller video. I said you act as if MJ’s involvement in the album was null and void and that he was basically a bystander. Michael wrote the two biggest hits on the album-Billie Jean and Beat It. Quincy Jones did not want Billie Jean on the album. Michael didn’t listen to him. I called MJ a master entertainer and that’s true. What does that have to do with Prince being talented%? You people are so insecure and petty. Why do you have to Compare? That shows just how ignorant and jealous you people are. Not ONE time have I ever compared MJ to Prince or tried to tear Prince down. 95+% of MJ fans are the same. We don’t need to tear down Prince in order to elevate Michael. You people need to learn to do that, and stop with the jealousy and pettiness. IT DOESNT LOOK GOOD ON YOU! Finally, all of your jealousy, pettiness and ignorance will never negate MJ’s overwhelming success, popularity and influence.  [Edited 12/20/20 16:27pm] | |
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MotownSubdivision said: JayCrawford said: Your obsession with me disturbing. You're still mad because of your hilarious comparison with 70s and 90s music lol? The same kid who was wrong about the reasoning behind why the disco revival was happening in the mid 90s? Get off my ass *yawn* Sorry, your idiocy and baseless arrogance is just fun to point out. But I'll leave your sorry ass alone now. [Edited 12/20/20 15:45pm] I highly doubt you will but sure. 🤣 This won't last long | |
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Hmmm.... Out of 5 pages, 2 are about the original topic and 3 are arguing about Michael Jackson. Sounds about right
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Free2BMe said: JayCrawford said: Don't Stop Till You Get Enough... You mean the same song Michael Jackson told Quincy to take the violin noises out at the beginning of Don't Stop Till You Get Enough but Quincy didn't listen because he was a true musician? https://m.youtube.com/wat...K6M5jPsolQ What lies have I spread exactly? So I'm lying about John Landis who was the director for Thriller the video? I'm lying about Quincy Jones who was the main producer for Michaels 3 biggest selling albums? Please explain the lies. Remind me... Wasn't it Michael who wanted to work with John Landis after seeing one of his films? I'll wait for that answer. I mentioned James Brown because you made a claim that Michael was the master of entertainment when he wasn't. Lip syncing your shows doesn't make you a master. I'm ready for some bullshit excuses you're going to make for that by the way. I'm not even the biggest Prince fan but Prince was far more talented than Michael ever was... Also he never lip synced his concert's... Didn't need to steal other dance moves unlike Michael. https://m.youtube.com/wat...-6Mdy9NRuQ No need to have an emotional breakdown. Sweetie, I’m not the one having an emotional breakdown, you are because you don’t like your lies challenged. I never said that John Landis didn’t direct Thriller video. I said you act as if MJ’s involvement in the album was null and void and that he was basically a bystander. Michael wrote the two biggest hits on the album-Billie Jean and Beat It. Quincy Jones did not want Billie Jean on the album. Michael didn’t listen to him. I called MJ a master entertainer and that’s true. What does that have to do with Prince being talented%? You people are so insecure and petty. Why do you have to Compare? That shows just how ignorant and jealous you people are. Not ONE time have I ever compared MJ to Prince or tried to tear Prince down. 95+% of MJ fans are the same. We don’t need to tear down Prince in order to elevate Michael. You people need to learn to do that, and stop with the jealousy and pettiness. IT DOESNT LOOK GOOD ON YOU! Finally, all of your jealousy, pettiness and ignorance will never negate MJ’s overwhelming success, popularity and influence.
[Edited 12/20/20 16:27pm] I'm having an emotional breakdown? Really? 🤣 Says the one who was having piss fit towards me and the other user first. Don't lie about that part now, you don't want to go there. Again what "lies" have you supposedly challenged lol? Instead of you having a piss fit as usual explain to me about the "lies" I've said according to you. I never act like Michaels involvement was null throughout his 3 big albums but it is a well known fact that Quincy was the mastermind. Michael Jackson himself said "Quincy is the greatest producer he's ever worked with". Another bullshit myth you already said about Quincy supposedly not wanting Billie Jean on the album. Quincy Jones himself has said time and time again that he felt the intro was way too long. https://m.youtube.com/wat...KP5x-LcvI4 talking about Billie Jean and it's intro. You calling Michael the "master of entertainment" isn't true. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but it's not. That's called an opinion, especially when you lip sync most of your own shows like come on son! James Brown is the Once again I'm not the biggest Prince fan. Try and understand that part if you're capable of that. I didn't start the comparison conversation on this specific page and you accusing me of being jealous of some old 70s-80s pop star is hilarious I do have to say 🤣 [Edited 12/20/20 18:43pm] | |
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In the 70's they were produced by Allen Tousaint and I only remember mostly Girl Callin and Grand Theft. Allen Jones(Barkays', Kwick, Ebonee Webb) got a hold of them around 1981 and gave them the Barkays sound which in turn is kind of fucked up because he would take the Barkays out of their own sound and give them someone else's sound. Don't laugh at my funk
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I'm actually gonna get on that vinyl hunt after Xmas and get Ebonee Webb 2nd album. It's definitely different around here now. I don't post in this forum as much mainly because we can't post youtube videos the way we used to and the ridiculous amount of monotonous MJ/Jackson threads and even moreso the circus that it feeds with the same crew arguing over the same dumb shit. I post mostly in the GD section usually sports. Most of those artists you named are on my Spotify playlist. I'll even throw in a few more Chocolate Milk, Faze-O, Mass Production, Brass Construction, Mtume(70's period before Juicy Fruit not that I don't like the Juicy Fruit era). I know we share the same love for the Barkays. There are actually some FB groups on some of these artists that are pretty good. I'm part of Slave, ConFunkshun, and the Barkays. I've talked with Floyd Miller an original member of Slave about making some tshirts for fans of Slave. Sadly they lost 2 more members this year. Larry D who has gone solo now has actually come in the group a couple of times and talked with fans virtually. He is doing a virtual concert online Jan.23. I've actually gotten back into vinyl and upgraded my turntable back in August. It feels good to listen and feel the intimacy with vinyl again. It's amazing that it's made a huge comeback. I work see lots of vinyl being shipped out of the warehouse every week.