MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

vainandy said:

Then I came over here to my old stomping grounds and got sidetracked. As I scrolled down and read the thread titles, I thought "Damn, this place ain't what it used to be.". You know we used to have a ton of threads up in here on a lot of forgotten jams through the years.

Other than 4 or 5 threads (like the Paris Jackson one or the best songs of 2020), everything on the 1st page of this section is about old music & veteran artists or deceased ones.

JayCrawford said:

vainandy said:

Thanks honey. I just popped in to see if there was any news on the next Prince project and saw a rumor thread that it might be a "Diamonds and Pearls" deluxe which I hope like hell is not true.

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Then I came over here to my old stomping grounds and got sidetracked. As I scrolled down and read the thread titles, I thought "Damn, this place ain't what it used to be.". You know we used to have a ton of threads up in here on a lot of forgotten jams through the years. Then I saw a good bitching thread and saw bitchers bitching because other bitchers bitched. Well, you know a bitch like me couldn't resist. Poor things just keep insisting that good music still exists with no proof to back it up. Hell, it makes me wondering if they're posting from the White House.

Diamond and Pearls was okay. A 5/10 [Edited 12/16/20 14:45pm]

Yeah, it was OK but doing a deluxe edition means pulling out the 12 Inches and also the unreleased vault tracks from the era. I've heard very few unreleased tracks from the 1990s but the few that I've heard have been pretty bland and generic sounding. Plus, "Diamonds and Pearls" was released at a time when the vinyl era ended so it was already released directly to CD in full strength from the original recordings so I don't see what the album itself would need to be remastered.

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They seem to be releasing a deluxe edition per year so getting into the 90s is wasting a year. I already know they'll probably do a deluxe edition of more popular albums like "Parade" (which is fine with me) before getting around to what I really want which is "Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" so I don't need any years wasted because I'm 53 and not getting any younger. The vault tracks I want won't do me any good if I'm dead and not able to hear them. Those younger fans will be around longer than I will be so they can wait longer if they want that 90s stuff.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Then I came over here to my old stomping grounds and got sidetracked. As I scrolled down and read the thread titles, I thought "Damn, this place ain't what it used to be.". You know we used to have a ton of threads up in here on a lot of forgotten jams through the years.

Other than 4 or 5 threads (like the Paris Jackson one or the best songs of 2020), everything on the 1st page of this section is about old music & veteran artists or deceased ones.

Yeah, but they are all extremely popular older artists. This place used to be jumping with threads on artists and songs that people had totally forgotten about until they hear them again and then they would say..... "Oh my God, I remember that. I haven't heard that in ages. I gotta find it.". Folks like Ebonee Webb, Kwick, Dreamboy, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Goodie, LA Connection, Libra, Margie Joseph, Stone City Band, Kleeer, Sun, and so many others. And back when "Soul Train" was playing the old episodes every Saturday and people would hear so many of the songs that had not been played on the radio in ages, people would come back and start threads on the songs and this place was on FIRE. I remember I used to run into so many people over here that it would amaze me that they remembered some of the stuff that I not only remember, but have in my collection. And people were constantly hipping me to stuff that I had either forgotten about or had never heard of. And some of the younger orgers amazed me too that they had even heard of the stuff and some of them even knew more about it than I did.......and some of them were HOT too. I can think of two or three of them that I'd like to.....uh....nevermind.

JayCrawford said:

vainandy said:

Yeah, it was OK but doing a deluxe edition means pulling out the 12 Inches and also the unreleased vault tracks from the era. I've heard very few unreleased tracks from the 1990s but the few that I've heard have been pretty bland and generic sounding. Plus, "Diamonds and Pearls" was released at a time when the vinyl era ended so it was already released directly to CD in full strength from the original recordings so I don't see what the album itself would need to be remastered.

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They seem to be releasing a deluxe edition per year so getting into the 90s is wasting a year. I already know they'll probably do a deluxe edition of more popular albums like "Parade" (which is fine with me) before getting around to what I really want which is "Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" so I don't need any years wasted because I'm 53 and not getting any younger. The vault tracks I want won't do me any good if I'm dead and not able to hear them. Those younger fans will be around longer than I will be so they can wait longer if they want that 90s stuff.

Finally someone else also wants the Parade and Dirty Mind deluxe edition!! I don't know why they haven't done this yet. Yeah, sadly the vinyl era was dead then. Man Prince in the 90s was awful.

I want "Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" first. I'm not crazy though. I know that "Parade" is a much more popular album, especially around here, and let's face it, the casual fans are not the ones buying these deluxe editions, it is us. So it makes much more sense that they release "Parade" first. But "Diamonds and Pearls" though, that makes absolutely no sense to me. Especially considering that 12 Inches had changed dramatically by then with multiple remixes of songs such as house versions, etc. which when it comes to Prince, sounded horrible because Prince was not a house artist. It's just a waste of a project if it's true.

vainandy said:

Yeah, but they are all extremely popular older artists. This place used to be jumping with threads on artists and songs that people had totally forgotten about until they hear them again and then they would say..... "Oh my God, I remember that. I haven't heard that in ages. I gotta find it.". Folks like Ebonee Webb, Kwick, Dreamboy, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Goodie, LA Connection, Libra, Margie Joseph, Stone City Band, Kleeer, Sun, and so many others. And back when "Soul Train" was playing the old episodes every Saturday and people would hear so many of the songs that had not been played on the radio in ages, people would come back and start threads on the songs and this place was on FIRE. I remember I used to run into so many people over here that it would amaze me that they remembered some of the stuff that I not only remember, but have in my collection. And people were constantly hipping me to stuff that I had either forgotten about or had never heard of. And some of the younger orgers amazed me too that they had even heard of the stuff and some of them even knew more about it than I did.......and some of them were HOT too. I can think of two or three of them that I'd like to.....uh....nevermind.

All of those people haven't been here in years like "TheAudience". There were also people who constantly made threads about the Jackson family, then the mods had made a sticky thread for them and would close the other ones. That Jackson sticky thread was a big mess that was hard to read because of the multiple topics all at the same time. I only looked at it once or twice. I also remember Beyoncé/Jay-Z conspiracy threads claiming that they were in the Illuminati or something. They were the Lipstick Alley types who would make gossip threads. This section has mostly been slow for awhile now except for those 2 people always making threads about "Madonna is beautiful/the most talented" and "Letoya" whoever that is.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Yeah, but they are all extremely popular older artists. This place used to be jumping with threads on artists and songs that people had totally forgotten about until they hear them again and then they would say..... "Oh my God, I remember that. I haven't heard that in ages. I gotta find it.". Folks like Ebonee Webb, Kwick, Dreamboy, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Goodie, LA Connection, Libra, Margie Joseph, Stone City Band, Kleeer, Sun, and so many others. And back when "Soul Train" was playing the old episodes every Saturday and people would hear so many of the songs that had not been played on the radio in ages, people would come back and start threads on the songs and this place was on FIRE. I remember I used to run into so many people over here that it would amaze me that they remembered some of the stuff that I not only remember, but have in my collection. And people were constantly hipping me to stuff that I had either forgotten about or had never heard of. And some of the younger orgers amazed me too that they had even heard of the stuff and some of them even knew more about it than I did.......and some of them were HOT too. I can think of two or three of them that I'd like to.....uh....nevermind.

All of those people haven't been here in years like "TheAudience". There were also people who constantly made threads about the Jackson family, then the mods had made a sticky thread for them and would close the other ones. That Jackson sticky thread was a big mess that was hard to read because of the multiple topics all at the same time. I only looked at it once or twice. I also remember Beyoncé/Jay-Z conspiracy threads claiming that they were in the Illuminati or something. They were the Lipstick Alley types who would make gossip threads. This section has mostly been slow for awhile now except for those 2 people always making threads about "Madonna is beautiful/the most talented" and "Letoya" whoever that is.

Oh my God, those damn Jackson family threads were flooding this place even before Michael died. I'm glad they put a sticky for them.

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But yeah, TheAudience was great. Also TheRealFiness, SoulAlive, paisleypark4u, handclapsandfingasnaps, Harlepolis, 100MPH, Funkenstein, scriptgirl, SuperNova, paligap, RipHer2Shreds, and so many others. And over in the Prince section was AsianBomb who kept things funny as hell and who could ever forget Zelaira wHo uSeD To tYpE liKe tHiS aLL tHe tIme. And she would get nasty and explicit too and the hornier she would get, the more the caps would start showing up in the words.

JayCrawford said:

vainandy said:

I want "Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" first. I'm not crazy though. I know that "Parade" is a much more popular album, especially around here, and let's face it, the casual fans are not the ones buying these deluxe editions, it is us. So it makes much more sense that they release "Parade" first. But "Diamonds and Pearls" though, that makes absolutely no sense to me. Especially considering that 12 Inches had changed dramatically by then with multiple remixes of songs such as house versions, etc. which when it comes to Prince, sounded horrible because Prince was not a house artist. It's just a waste of a project if it's true.

Yeah, I agree. What would you say was the last great Prince album? For some reason The Gold Experience is adored (I personally think it is insanely overrated) but I would still say the popular opinion SOTT what about you?

I would say the last great Prince album for me would be either "Lovesexy" or "Batman". I know I used to shit all over the "Parade" album over here and yes, it's true that the first time I heard those strings and classical feel on some of the songs, I wanted to throw it all up against the wall and smash it but that's because after "Purple Rain", he did a drastic syle change and I had hoped that after he saw the sales drop dramatically with "Around The World In A Day", that he would snap back into his old self that he was from "Dirty Mind" through "Purple Rain". Instead, he drifted even further away from it with "Parade" which totally pissed me off but the truth is, I ended up loving the album after several listens even back when the album was still in style, just not nearly as much as I loved the "Old Prince" that I had grown up with. I also knew that Prince himself was probably lurking this place and I was right because since his death, I saw a picture of a sticky note that he had given to one of his employees ordering them to "Have pictures taken down at prince.org.". So that was my way of telling him, in case he was reading..... "Uh...look bitch. I ain't one of these Little Red Corvette or Purple Rain bandwagoners. I've been around since 1979 so you need give me some of those old jams I've been longing for." But I love those late 1980s Prince albums also, especially now that I'm older and my tastes have expanded more than they used to be.

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"Grashitty Bridge" was the first album in which I eventually never grew to like every single track on the album. And then with "Diamonds and Pearls", it was the first album in which there tracks that I would never like no matter how many times I listened to them, like "Jughead". The 1990s was when he started falling off because he started chasing trends on some songs trying to get some of the mainstream audience back that he lost in the late 1980s when he stopped chasing trends altogether and started experimenting more with retro and foreign sounds. But by then, that audience had moved on and was not into the new trends that he was chasing. And the people that were into those trends, were not into Prince. I wish he had continued his signature ice cold Minneapolis sound throughout the entire 1980s and then released his late 1980s experimental albums during the 1990s after mainstream music in general had fallen off. Those late 1980s albums would have been mind blowing in the 1990s. They would have been just enough of those LINN drums to let you know it was still Prince but with an experimental new sound for a new decade and best of all, there would have been NO influences from other 1990s artists in the music whatsoever.

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vainandy said:

JayCrawford said:

vainandy said: Yeah, I agree. What would you say was the last great Prince album? For some reason The Gold Experience is adored (I personally think it is insanely overrated) but I would still say the popular opinion SOTT what about you?

I would say the last great Prince album for me would be either "Lovesexy" or "Batman". I know I used to shit all over the "Parade" album over here and yes, it's true that the first time I heard those strings and classical feel on some of the songs, I wanted to throw it all up against the wall and smash it but that's because after "Purple Rain", he did a drastic syle change and I had hoped that after he saw the sales drop dramatically with "Around The World In A Day", that he would snap back into his old self that he was from "Dirty Mind" through "Purple Rain". Instead, he drifted even further away from it with "Parade" which totally pissed me off but the truth is, I ended up loving the album after several listens even back when the album was still in style, just not nearly as much as I loved the "Old Prince" that I had grown up with. I also knew that Prince himself was probably lurking this place and I was right because since his death, I saw a picture of a sticky note that he had given to one of his employees ordering them to "Have pictures taken down at prince.org.". So that was my way of telling him, in case he was reading..... "Uh...look bitch. I ain't one of these Little Red Corvette or Purple Rain bandwagoners. I've been around since 1979 so you need give me some of those old jams I've been longing for." But I love those late 1980s Prince albums also, especially now that I'm older and my tastes have expanded more than they used to be.

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"Grashitty Bridge" was the first album in which I eventually never grew to like every single track on the album. And then with "Diamonds and Pearls", it was the first album in which there tracks that I would never like no matter how many times I listened to them, like "Jughead". The 1990s was when he started falling off because he started chasing trends on some songs trying to get some of the mainstream audience back that he lost in the late 1980s when he stopped chasing trends altogether and started experimenting more with retro and foreign sounds. But by then, that audience had moved on and was not into the new trends that he was chasing. And the people that were into those trends, were not into Prince. I wish he had continued his signature ice cold Minneapolis sound throughout the entire 1980s and then released his late 1980s experimental albums during the 1990s after mainstream music in general had fallen off. Those late 1980s albums would have been mind blowing in the 1990s. They would have been just enough of those LINN drums to let you know it was still Prince but with an experimental new sound for a new decade and best of all, there would have been NO influences from other 1990s artists in the music whatsoever.

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[Edited 12/16/20 16:52pm]

What andy just posted reminds me of this quote from Prince in his 1985 interview with Rolling Stone;

"I think that’s the problem with the music industry today. When a person does get a hit, they try to do it again the same way. I don’t think I’ve ever done that. I write all the time and cut all the time. I want to show you the archives, where all my old stuff is. There’s tons of music I’ve recorded there. I have the follow-up album to 1999. I could put it all together and play it for you, and you would go “Yeah!” And I could put it out, and it would probably sell what 1999 did. But I always try to do something different and conquer new ground."

vainandy said:

uPtoWnNY said:

vainandy said:

I would say the last great Prince album for me would be either "Lovesexy" or "Batman". I know I used to shit all over the "Parade" album over here and yes, it's true that the first time I heard those strings and classical feel on some of the songs, I wanted to throw it all up against the wall and smash it but that's because after "Purple Rain", he did a drastic syle change and I had hoped that after he saw the sales drop dramatically with "Around The World In A Day", that he would snap back into his old self that he was from "Dirty Mind" through "Purple Rain". Instead, he drifted even further away from it with "Parade" which totally pissed me off but the truth is, I ended up loving the album after several listens even back when the album was still in style, just not nearly as much as I loved the "Old Prince" that I had grown up with. I also knew that Prince himself was probably lurking this place and I was right because since his death, I saw a picture of a sticky note that he had given to one of his employees ordering them to "Have pictures taken down at prince.org.". So that was my way of telling him, in case he was reading..... "Uh...look bitch. I ain't one of these Little Red Corvette or Purple Rain bandwagoners. I've been around since 1979 so you need give me some of those old jams I've been longing for." But I love those late 1980s Prince albums also, especially now that I'm older and my tastes have expanded more than they used to be.

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"Grashitty Bridge" was the first album in which I eventually never grew to like every single track on the album. And then with "Diamonds and Pearls", it was the first album in which there tracks that I would never like no matter how many times I listened to them, like "Jughead". The 1990s was when he started falling off because he started chasing trends on some songs trying to get some of the mainstream audience back that he lost in the late 1980s when he stopped chasing trends altogether and started experimenting more with retro and foreign sounds. But by then, that audience had moved on and was not into the new trends that he was chasing. And the people that were into those trends, were not into Prince. I wish he had continued his signature ice cold Minneapolis sound throughout the entire 1980s and then released his late 1980s experimental albums during the 1990s after mainstream music in general had fallen off. Those late 1980s albums would have been mind blowing in the 1990s. They would have been just enough of those LINN drums to let you know it was still Prince but with an experimental new sound for a new decade and best of all, there would have been NO influences from other 1990s artists in the music whatsoever.

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[Edited 12/16/20 16:52pm]

What andy just posted reminds me of this quote from Prince in his 1985 interview with Rolling Stone;

"I think that’s the problem with the music industry today. When a person does get a hit, they try to do it again the same way. I don’t think I’ve ever done that. I write all the time and cut all the time. I want to show you the archives, where all my old stuff is. There’s tons of music I’ve recorded there. I have the follow-up album to 1999. I could put it all together and play it for you, and you would go “Yeah!” And I could put it out, and it would probably sell what 1999 did. But I always try to do something different and conquer new ground."

uPtoWnNY said:

vainandy said:

I would say the last great Prince album for me would be either "Lovesexy" or "Batman". I know I used to shit all over the "Parade" album over here and yes, it's true that the first time I heard those strings and classical feel on some of the songs, I wanted to throw it all up against the wall and smash it but that's because after "Purple Rain", he did a drastic syle change and I had hoped that after he saw the sales drop dramatically with "Around The World In A Day", that he would snap back into his old self that he was from "Dirty Mind" through "Purple Rain". Instead, he drifted even further away from it with "Parade" which totally pissed me off but the truth is, I ended up loving the album after several listens even back when the album was still in style, just not nearly as much as I loved the "Old Prince" that I had grown up with. I also knew that Prince himself was probably lurking this place and I was right because since his death, I saw a picture of a sticky note that he had given to one of his employees ordering them to "Have pictures taken down at prince.org.". So that was my way of telling him, in case he was reading..... "Uh...look bitch. I ain't one of these Little Red Corvette or Purple Rain bandwagoners. I've been around since 1979 so you need give me some of those old jams I've been longing for." But I love those late 1980s Prince albums also, especially now that I'm older and my tastes have expanded more than they used to be.

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"Grashitty Bridge" was the first album in which I eventually never grew to like every single track on the album. And then with "Diamonds and Pearls", it was the first album in which there tracks that I would never like no matter how many times I listened to them, like "Jughead". The 1990s was when he started falling off because he started chasing trends on some songs trying to get some of the mainstream audience back that he lost in the late 1980s when he stopped chasing trends altogether and started experimenting more with retro and foreign sounds. But by then, that audience had moved on and was not into the new trends that he was chasing. And the people that were into those trends, were not into Prince. I wish he had continued his signature ice cold Minneapolis sound throughout the entire 1980s and then released his late 1980s experimental albums during the 1990s after mainstream music in general had fallen off. Those late 1980s albums would have been mind blowing in the 1990s. They would have been just enough of those LINN drums to let you know it was still Prince but with an experimental new sound for a new decade and best of all, there would have been NO influences from other 1990s artists in the music whatsoever.

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[Edited 12/16/20 16:52pm]

What andy just posted reminds me of this quote from Prince in his 1985 interview with Rolling Stone;

"I think that’s the problem with the music industry today. When a person does get a hit, they try to do it again the same way. I don’t think I’ve ever done that. I write all the time and cut all the time. I want to show you the archives, where all my old stuff is. There’s tons of music I’ve recorded there. I have the follow-up album to 1999. I could put it all together and play it for you, and you would go “Yeah!” And I could put it out, and it would probably sell what 1999 did. But I always try to do something different and conquer new ground."

Oh my God, I remember reading that back then and remember thinking to myself at the time.... "OK bitch, lets see what you do later on this year when you look at your sales for Around The World In A Day and wonder why they aren't near as high as they used to be. Like my mama used to tell me when she cooked and I wouldn't like what she cooked.... Motherfucker, you get hungry enough and I bet you'll eat it."..... And for the rest of the 1980s, every time the next album was due to come out, I was hoping it was going to be that 1999 follow-up album he was talking about.

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The next year, I heard "Kiss" on the radio and said.... "Uh huh, I see that bitch got hungry."..... And then the album came out and I heard those strings and French sounds and I was like...."What in THE hell is this! This bitch has gone from India to France. Bitch, you need to go back to Minneapolis!"..... Then I heard on the radio that he announced that he fired The Revolution and was going back to making music all by himself like he used to. I was thrilled because I unknowlingly assumed that they were the reason he was making these "far out" sounding records that were completely different than his previous albums. Then the "Sign O The Times" album came out and I said.... "Oh LORD! Play In The Sunshine? Starfish and Coffee? The Cross? Now he thinks he's fucking John Lennon and The Beatles. Bitch, this is 1987, not 1967!".....

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Oh honey, shit, I got PISSED every time a new album came out and threatened not to buy the next one. After getting over my anger that it wasn't what I wanted, I would listen to them and love them but that little bitch had all kinds of tricks up his sleeve prior to the release of those albums to fool you into thinking he was going back to his old self and then you would get the album and he would be even MORE far out there. The feeling he gave me was like a man unzipping his pants and showing the pubes and beginning of the shaft and then when you reach for the crotch to pull it out and see the rest, he would say.....back off motherfucker, I'm straight."

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vainandy said:

uPtoWnNY said:

What andy just posted reminds me of this quote from Prince in his 1985 interview with Rolling Stone;

"I think that’s the problem with the music industry today. When a person does get a hit, they try to do it again the same way. I don’t think I’ve ever done that. I write all the time and cut all the time. I want to show you the archives, where all my old stuff is. There’s tons of music I’ve recorded there. I have the follow-up album to 1999. I could put it all together and play it for you, and you would go “Yeah!” And I could put it out, and it would probably sell what 1999 did. But I always try to do something different and conquer new ground."

Oh my God, I remember reading that back then and remember thinking to myself at the time.... "OK bitch, lets see what you do later on this year when you look at your sales for Around The World In A Day and wonder why they aren't near as high as they used to be. Like my mama used to tell me when she cooked and I wouldn't like what she cooked.... Motherfucker, you get hungry enough and I bet you'll eat it."..... And for the rest of the 1980s, every time the next album was due to come out, I was hoping it was going to be that 1999 follow-up album he was talking about.

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The next year, I heard "Kiss" on the radio and said.... "Uh huh, I see that bitch got hungry."..... And then the album came out and I heard those strings and French sounds and I was like...."What in THE hell is this! This bitch has gone from India to France. Bitch, you need to go back to Minneapolis!"..... Then I heard on the radio that he announced that he fired The Revolution and was going back to making music all by himself like he used to. I was thrilled because I unknowlingly assumed that they were the reason he was making these "far out" sounding records that were completely different than his previous albums. Then the "Sign O The Times" album came out and I said.... "Oh LORD! Play In The Sunshine? Starfish and Coffee? The Cross? Now he thinks he's fucking John Lennon and The Beatles. Bitch, this is 1987, not 1967!".....

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Oh honey, shit, I got PISSED every time a new album came out and threatened not to buy the next one. After getting over my anger that it wasn't what I wanted, I would listen to them and love them but that little bitch had all kinds of tricks up his sleeve prior to the release of those albums to fool you into thinking he was going back to his old self and then you would get the album and he would be even MORE far out there. The feeling he gave me was like a man unzipping his pants and showing the pubes and beginning of the shaft and then when you reach for the crotch to pull it out and see the rest, he would say.....back off motherfucker, I'm straight."

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[Edited 12/17/20 5:56am]

I guess Prince felt it would be too easy to churn out music similar to 1999/Purple Rain. I applaud him for experimenting, even though it seemed like he deliberately hurt his career. Even though Parade sold less than ATWIAD, I consider it one of his best.

Oh, and it's great to have you back, Andy. This place isn't the same without the Funkiest Diva in America.

JayCrawford said:

vainandy said:

I would say the last great Prince album for me would be either "Lovesexy" or "Batman". I know I used to shit all over the "Parade" album over here and yes, it's true that the first time I heard those strings and classical feel on some of the songs, I wanted to throw it all up against the wall and smash it but that's because after "Purple Rain", he did a drastic syle change and I had hoped that after he saw the sales drop dramatically with "Around The World In A Day", that he would snap back into his old self that he was from "Dirty Mind" through "Purple Rain". Instead, he drifted even further away from it with "Parade" which totally pissed me off but the truth is, I ended up loving the album after several listens even back when the album was still in style, just not nearly as much as I loved the "Old Prince" that I had grown up with. I also knew that Prince himself was probably lurking this place and I was right because since his death, I saw a picture of a sticky note that he had given to one of his employees ordering them to "Have pictures taken down at prince.org.". So that was my way of telling him, in case he was reading..... "Uh...look bitch. I ain't one of these Little Red Corvette or Purple Rain bandwagoners. I've been around since 1979 so you need give me some of those old jams I've been longing for." But I love those late 1980s Prince albums also, especially now that I'm older and my tastes have expanded more than they used to be.

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"Grashitty Bridge" was the first album in which I eventually never grew to like every single track on the album. And then with "Diamonds and Pearls", it was the first album in which there tracks that I would never like no matter how many times I listened to them, like "Jughead". The 1990s was when he started falling off because he started chasing trends on some songs trying to get some of the mainstream audience back that he lost in the late 1980s when he stopped chasing trends altogether and started experimenting more with retro and foreign sounds. But by then, that audience had moved on and was not into the new trends that he was chasing. And the people that were into those trends, were not into Prince. I wish he had continued his signature ice cold Minneapolis sound throughout the entire 1980s and then released his late 1980s experimental albums during the 1990s after mainstream music in general had fallen off. Those late 1980s albums would have been mind blowing in the 1990s. They would have been just enough of those LINN drums to let you know it was still Prince but with an experimental new sound for a new decade and best of all, there would have been NO influences from other 1990s artists in the music whatsoever.

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I wonder why a lot of people love LoveSexy album a lot... I couldn't get into it at all and was thinking of throwing it in the bin until I gave it to my sister 🤣 But yeah is true what you are saying. His style did change a lot after Purple Rain and I didn't like that Around the world in a day record too. Thought it was garbage at the time but as I've gotten older... Is actually really good but I wouldn't rank it up there as one of his best work still. To me Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999, Purple Rain and SOTT are his best albums. Parade was good but not on the same level. As for 90s era for Prince... It was bad 🤣, that decade for Prince is easily his worst era. Oh my god I don't know where to start as to why he was so garbage in the 90s.

I was disappointed with "Lovesexy" at the time but this particular time, it was for an entirely different reason. After three disappointing albums of him not returning to his former self, I was no longer disappointed by the sound of it because by then, I had just about given up on him ever returning to himself. But he had a way of constantly teasing people into thinking that the next project was going to be him returning to himself. This particular time, his way of teasing was announcing "The Black Album" saying that people had been criticizing him for no longer being funky and questioning his blackness so he was going to prove them wrong with this album. So my disappointment this time, is that he pulled "The Black Album" and released this one instead.

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However, if he had released "The Black Album" instead, I would have been even more pissed. When I finally did hear it, I said to myself..... "More of his damn teasing. These damn horns and shit. Motherfucker, this ain't the 1970s and you ain't James Brown."..... I don't think he ever really understood the complaints from people that accused him at the time of no longer being funky. Before "Little Red Corvette", with the exception of "I Wanna Be Your Lover", the only stations that played his music were black stations and the majority of his audience was black listeners. "Dirty Mind", "Controversy", and "1999", while they may have had a lot of futurisitic new wave, rock, and synth influences in the funk tracks, they were only played on black radio so the majority of the people that listened to them at the time were black listeners. When the single "1999" came out prior to the album, it was only played on black radio. It wasn't until the second single "Little Red Corvette" came out that pop radio picked him up and then they re-released the "1999" single again for pop radio. So when you hear the rest of the tracks on the album, there's a truckload of funk on there so the album was definitely made before he crossed over and black radio played many of those tracks such as "Lady Cab Driver", "DMSR", "Automatic", "Free", "International Lover", etc. Everybody I know that accused him in the late 1980s of no longer being funky since he crossed over was mad because he was no longer making tracks like these. Not because they were necessarily funky, but because they were the sound he had before he gained a large white audience.

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Looking back though and learning more of Prince's background that people previously didn't know, I wonder if he totally misunderstood people's complaints because he grew up and still lived in Minneapolis. I've read that many of his associates said there was only one black station in Minneapolis that was only on the air for a few hours of the day so I'm wondering if he was even aware of what was all over black radio in the rest of the country during the 1980s. James Brown type funk and funk with a lot of horns and stuff was not what was on black radio at the time so if it had been released, people were still going to say he was all far out there and out of touch. Like I said before, everybody I know that bitched, was bitching because he no longer sounded the same once he got a large white audience.....even though that previous funk may have had those new wave elements. Funk of the 80s was a different sound than funk of the 70s.

uPtoWnNY said:

vainandy said:

Oh my God, I remember reading that back then and remember thinking to myself at the time.... "OK bitch, lets see what you do later on this year when you look at your sales for Around The World In A Day and wonder why they aren't near as high as they used to be. Like my mama used to tell me when she cooked and I wouldn't like what she cooked.... Motherfucker, you get hungry enough and I bet you'll eat it."..... And for the rest of the 1980s, every time the next album was due to come out, I was hoping it was going to be that 1999 follow-up album he was talking about.

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The next year, I heard "Kiss" on the radio and said.... "Uh huh, I see that bitch got hungry."..... And then the album came out and I heard those strings and French sounds and I was like...."What in THE hell is this! This bitch has gone from India to France. Bitch, you need to go back to Minneapolis!"..... Then I heard on the radio that he announced that he fired The Revolution and was going back to making music all by himself like he used to. I was thrilled because I unknowlingly assumed that they were the reason he was making these "far out" sounding records that were completely different than his previous albums. Then the "Sign O The Times" album came out and I said.... "Oh LORD! Play In The Sunshine? Starfish and Coffee? The Cross? Now he thinks he's fucking John Lennon and The Beatles. Bitch, this is 1987, not 1967!".....

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Oh honey, shit, I got PISSED every time a new album came out and threatened not to buy the next one. After getting over my anger that it wasn't what I wanted, I would listen to them and love them but that little bitch had all kinds of tricks up his sleeve prior to the release of those albums to fool you into thinking he was going back to his old self and then you would get the album and he would be even MORE far out there. The feeling he gave me was like a man unzipping his pants and showing the pubes and beginning of the shaft and then when you reach for the crotch to pull it out and see the rest, he would say.....back off motherfucker, I'm straight."

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I guess Prince felt it would be too easy to churn out music similar to 1999/Purple Rain. I applaud him for experimenting, even though it seemed like he deliberately hurt his career. Even though Parade sold less than ATWIAD, I consider it one of his best.

Oh, and it's great to have you back, Andy. This place isn't the same without the Funkiest Diva in America.

Thank you.

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I can fully understand why he did what he did. He got bored with his own sound after playing it night after night after night in concert and Lord knows how many tracks he may have in the vault so he was hearing a lot more of his own sound than we were. Purple Rain opened him up to a lot more of the world so he started touring more overseas probably to places he had never been exposed to and probably started liking a more stuff and wanting to branch out into it. I know I'm into a lot more things now after seeing some of those sexy Indians and Mexicans around here that previously didn't live here. And talking to this Frenchman on the phone one day. Lord, that accent was some kind of sexy. I wonder what he looks like.

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But I can totally understand why he did it. The majority of the stuff I listened to in the 1990s was the house music in the clubs. I listened to it night after night after night and it was the only thing I played at home because I hated what was on the radio at the time. I have heard it so much that I got burnt out on it and have to get into a particular mood to play it nowadays. If I have gay friends over, I know that's what they are going to want to hear and I'm like.... "Lord, let me pull this house music out".... and when I play it, I still like it but I'm not feeling it like I used to.

vainandy said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I guess Prince felt it would be too easy to churn out music similar to 1999/Purple Rain. I applaud him for experimenting, even though it seemed like he deliberately hurt his career. Even though Parade sold less than ATWIAD, I consider it one of his best.

Oh, and it's great to have you back, Andy. This place isn't the same without the Funkiest Diva in America.

Thank you.

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I can fully understand why he did what he did. He got bored with his own sound after playing it night after night after night in concert and Lord knows how many tracks he may have in the vault so he was hearing a lot more of his own sound than we were. Purple Rain opened him up to a lot more of the world so he started touring more overseas probably to places he had never been exposed to and probably started liking a more stuff and wanting to branch out into it. I know I'm into a lot more things now after seeing some of those sexy Indians and Mexicans around here that previously didn't live here. And talking to this Frenchman on the phone one day. Lord, that accent was some kind of sexy. I wonder what he looks like.

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But I can totally understand why he did it. The majority of the stuff I listened to in the 1990s was the house music in the clubs. I listened to it night after night after night and it was the only thing I played at home because I hated what was on the radio at the time. I have heard it so much that I got burnt out on it and have to get into a particular mood to play it nowadays. If I have gay friends over, I know that's what they are going to want to hear and I'm like.... "Lord, let me pull this house music out".... and when I play it, I still like it but I'm not feeling it like I used to.

Prince was hit & miss during the 90s. There were some really good songs, then Tony M would pop up and I'm like "AAAAUUUGGH"!

Did you ever hear the bootleg "Crucial" LP?

uPtoWnNY said:

vainandy said:

Thank you.

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I can fully understand why he did what he did. He got bored with his own sound after playing it night after night after night in concert and Lord knows how many tracks he may have in the vault so he was hearing a lot more of his own sound than we were. Purple Rain opened him up to a lot more of the world so he started touring more overseas probably to places he had never been exposed to and probably started liking a more stuff and wanting to branch out into it. I know I'm into a lot more things now after seeing some of those sexy Indians and Mexicans around here that previously didn't live here. And talking to this Frenchman on the phone one day. Lord, that accent was some kind of sexy. I wonder what he looks like.

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But I can totally understand why he did it. The majority of the stuff I listened to in the 1990s was the house music in the clubs. I listened to it night after night after night and it was the only thing I played at home because I hated what was on the radio at the time. I have heard it so much that I got burnt out on it and have to get into a particular mood to play it nowadays. If I have gay friends over, I know that's what they are going to want to hear and I'm like.... "Lord, let me pull this house music out".... and when I play it, I still like it but I'm not feeling it like I used to.

Prince was hit & miss during the 90s. There were some really good songs, then Tony M would pop up and I'm like "AAAAUUUGGH"!

Did you ever hear the bootleg "Crucial" LP?

I heard a bootleg of the song that leaked about a year or two ago and also the version that was recently released on the "Sign O The Times" deluxe but not a full album of it.

MotownSubdivision said:

JayCrawford said:

MotownSubdivision said:

JayCrawford said:

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

Other than 4 or 5 threads (like the Paris Jackson one or the best songs of 2020), everything on the 1st page of this section is about old music & veteran artists or deceased ones.

Yeah, but they are all extremely popular older artists. This place used to be jumping with threads on artists and songs that people had totally forgotten about until they hear them again and then they would say..... "Oh my God, I remember that. I haven't heard that in ages. I gotta find it.". Folks like Ebonee Webb, Kwick, Dreamboy, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Goodie, LA Connection, Libra, Margie Joseph, Stone City Band, Kleeer, Sun, and so many others. And back when "Soul Train" was playing the old episodes every Saturday and people would hear so many of the songs that had not been played on the radio in ages, people would come back and start threads on the songs and this place was on FIRE. I remember I used to run into so many people over here that it would amaze me that they remembered some of the stuff that I not only remember, but have in my collection. And people were constantly hipping me to stuff that I had either forgotten about or had never heard of. And some of the younger orgers amazed me too that they had even heard of the stuff and some of them even knew more about it than I did.......and some of them were HOT too. I can think of two or three of them that I'd like to.....uh....nevermind.

This place can use an infusion of your knowledge of music. It's funny because you are probably one of a handful of people that I can think of that have similar musical taste to mine around here. In fact you probably moreso because I can't think of anyone here besides you and me that talk about Ebonee Webb and Kwick. I'm actually gonna get on that vinyl hunt after Xmas and get Ebonee Webb 2nd album. It's definitely different around here now. I don't post in this forum as much mainly because we can't post youtube videos the way we used to and the ridiculous amount of monotonous MJ/Jackson threads and even moreso the circus that it feeds with the same crew arguing over the same dumb shit. I post mostly in the GD section usually sports. Most of those artists you named are on my Spotify playlist. I'll even throw in a few more Chocolate Milk, Faze-O, Mass Production, Brass Construction, Mtume(70's period before Juicy Fruit not that I don't like the Juicy Fruit era). I know we share the same love for the Barkays. There are actually some FB groups on some of these artists that are pretty good. I'm part of Slave, ConFunkshun, and the Barkays. I've talked with Floyd Miller an original member of Slave about making some tshirts for fans of Slave. Sadly they lost 2 more members this year. Larry D who has gone solo now has actually come in the group a couple of times and talked with fans virtually. He is doing a virtual concert online Jan.23. I've actually gotten back into vinyl and upgraded my turntable back in August. It feels good to listen and feel the intimacy with vinyl again. It's amazing that it's made a huge comeback. I work see lots of vinyl being shipped out of the warehouse every week.

phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

Yeah, but they are all extremely popular older artists. This place used to be jumping with threads on artists and songs that people had totally forgotten about until they hear them again and then they would say..... "Oh my God, I remember that. I haven't heard that in ages. I gotta find it.". Folks like Ebonee Webb, Kwick, Dreamboy, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Goodie, LA Connection, Libra, Margie Joseph, Stone City Band, Kleeer, Sun, and so many others. And back when "Soul Train" was playing the old episodes every Saturday and people would hear so many of the songs that had not been played on the radio in ages, people would come back and start threads on the songs and this place was on FIRE. I remember I used to run into so many people over here that it would amaze me that they remembered some of the stuff that I not only remember, but have in my collection. And people were constantly hipping me to stuff that I had either forgotten about or had never heard of. And some of the younger orgers amazed me too that they had even heard of the stuff and some of them even knew more about it than I did.......and some of them were HOT too. I can think of two or three of them that I'd like to.....uh....nevermind.

This place can use an infusion of your knowledge of music. It's funny because you are probably one of a handful of people that I can think of that have similar musical taste to mine around here. In fact you probably moreso because I can't think of anyone here besides you and me that talk about Ebonee Webb and Kwick. I'm actually gonna get on that vinyl hunt after Xmas and get Ebonee Webb 2nd album. It's definitely different around here now. I don't post in this forum as much mainly because we can't post youtube videos the way we used to and the ridiculous amount of monotonous MJ/Jackson threads and even moreso the circus that it feeds with the same crew arguing over the same dumb shit. I post mostly in the GD section usually sports. Most of those artists you named are on my Spotify playlist. I'll even throw in a few more Chocolate Milk, Faze-O, Mass Production, Brass Construction, Mtume(70's period before Juicy Fruit not that I don't like the Juicy Fruit era). I know we share the same love for the Barkays. There are actually some FB groups on some of these artists that are pretty good. I'm part of Slave, ConFunkshun, and the Barkays. I've talked with Floyd Miller an original member of Slave about making some tshirts for fans of Slave. Sadly they lost 2 more members this year. Larry D who has gone solo now has actually come in the group a couple of times and talked with fans virtually. He is doing a virtual concert online Jan.23. I've actually gotten back into vinyl and upgraded my turntable back in August. It feels good to listen and feel the intimacy with vinyl again. It's amazing that it's made a huge comeback. I work see lots of vinyl being shipped out of the warehouse every week.

Thank you so much. You're another one of my favorites.

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What's up with not being able to post youtube videos any more? Is it a new malfunction on the site, kinda like having to place a damn period between paragraphs or they will all run together or did the org make a new rule about posting videos? We never could post Prince videos and I fully understood that because Prince was such a bitch about it but there had never previously been a problem with other artists' videos, at least to my knowledge.

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As for Ebonee Webb, I have found that whenever I play "Something About You" for people, they always recognize it but have forgotten about it because radio never played it again after the song ran it's course. A lot of them think it's Prince and some of them even thought it was on the "Controversy" album so at least they remember the era when it came out. As for the org, what used always trip me out is whenever one of these threads would come out asking which other artists sound the most like Prince, the usual responses would always be people like Maxwell or Eric Benet and I would be thinking to myself.... "What in THE hell? These MUST be youngsters? Why in the hell isn't Ebonee Webb or Bobby Nunn at the top of the list, especially Ebonee Webb?".... Bobby Nunn had that Prince voice but Ebonee Webb not only had the voice, but the music too with synths and all. I mean, the entire package to where they had people absolutely fooled. In recent years, I found out that they had an album prior to that during the disco era. I checked out some of the songs I found on youtube but they are just generic sounding. Nothing like the other two albums.

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I see you mentioned Chocolate Milk. I've seen that name all my life and I think I may have heard a song or two from them but I can't remember. That's a group that I've been meaning to getting around to checking out. At first I had misread your post and thought you said Hot Chocolate. Speaking of them, I had always known them strictly for "You Sexy Thing" and "Every 1's A Winner". In recent years, I found out that they recorded "Brother Louie" first....I still like Stories version better though. Anyway, I've been checking out and getting deep into them lately. Oh my God, they've got some good stuff, especially "Heaven's In The Back Seat Of My Cadillac".

MotownSubdivision said:

What a bunch of miserable fucks.

JayCrawford said:

Rimshottbob said:

What a bunch of miserable fucks.