^^I'm more surprised that Mick Jagger & Ronnie Wood are still having children in their 70s

domainator2010 said:

EmmaMcG said:

The charts are predominantly filled with crap, manufactured pop acts. But great music still exists and just like most other decades, you have to look outside the charts to find it. Acts like Mayer Hawthorne, Ekkah, Tuxedo, Chromeo, Niki & The Dove, Boulevards, Chromatics, Gaslight Anthem, Harts etc are all relatively new and all put out quality music.

Well, I say we LISTEN to them and put them ON the damn charts! What say?

I'd really wish you'd start separate threads for each of those acts you mentioned above here. With like, links to songs n stuff, separately.

Why don't you just look them up?

^^I'm more surprised that Mick Jagger & Ronnie Wood are still having children in their 70s

MickyDolenz said:

TrivialPursuit said:

and most of the Rolling Stones are dead anyway.

They're all alive except Brian Jones and he passed in the 1960s.

:::LE SIGH:::

I REALIZE THIS. It's a joke because most of them look like they've been dead at least 15 years.

EmmaMcG said:

So called "popular" music has always been very much a mixed bag. A lot of those artists mentioned in the OP were never big commercial acts. Even Prince had relatively little chart success. Shakin' Stevens had more UK top 10 hits in the 80s than Prince did. So even during his heyday, Prince was never in the same category as the likes of Michael Jackson and Madonna. Now, I think his music is miles ahead of pretty much any 80s act but talent has never been equal to chart success. And it's the same now. The charts are predominantly filled with crap, manufactured pop acts. But great music still exists and just like most other decades, you have to look outside the charts to find it. Acts like Mayer Hawthorne, Ekkah, Tuxedo, Chromeo, Niki & The Dove, Boulevards, Chromatics, Gaslight Anthem, Harts etc are all relatively new and all put out quality music.

Uh, excuse you! To Prince fans, Michael Jackson and Madonna were "never in the same category" as Prince! All Michael could do better than Prince, was dance, but Prince wrote his own songs, played his own instruments, and could sing his ass off, in both low and high pitch. He wasn't some one note, commercialized puppet, who only thought that "making the charts and having chart success" was his end all and be all.

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EmmaMcG said:

So called "popular" music has always been very much a mixed bag. A lot of those artists mentioned in the OP were never big commercial acts. Even Prince had relatively little chart success. Shakin' Stevens had more UK top 10 hits in the 80s than Prince did. So even during his heyday, Prince was never in the same category as the likes of Michael Jackson and Madonna. Now, I think his music is miles ahead of pretty much any 80s act but talent has never been equal to chart success. And it's the same now. The charts are predominantly filled with crap, manufactured pop acts. But great music still exists and just like most other decades, you have to look outside the charts to find it. Acts like Mayer Hawthorne, Ekkah, Tuxedo, Chromeo, Niki & The Dove, Boulevards, Chromatics, Gaslight Anthem, Harts etc are all relatively new and all put out quality music.

Uh, excuse you! To Prince fans, Michael Jackson and Madonna were "never in the same category" as Prince! All Michael could do better than Prince, was dance, but Prince wrote his own songs, played his own instruments, and could sing his ass off, in both low and high pitch. He wasn't some one note, commercialized puppet, who only thought that "making the charts and having chart success" was his end all and be all.

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JayCrawford said:

I think there is good music out there to be found, but it is rarely on the radio. Most of the biggest acts the past 20 years are in the rap category, some talented and some are crap. Rap is not the musical genre that I typically listen to, so it is hard for me to really assess how good or bad the main ones are. It is like someone who grew up loving the music of the 40s and 50s who couldn't stand the rock music of the 60s. My parents nor their friends listened to contemporary music in the 60s and 70s unless it was Babara Steisand. Liza Minnilli, etc.

I think top 40 music has always had more crap than good songs, though the ratio might have been better in the 60s. I remember in the 70s m would look ay friends and I would look at the top 40 charts and typically identify just a couple of song we liked. Fortunately, there was better music available on AOR (mostly rock) and R&B radio. Even when we think of all the singles we liked from certain years, we are remembering the cream of the crop.

Today it takes a lot of effort to find good music unless you really like rap. For me, it is worth the effort because I have always preferred to play more current music than oldies. I think IFor instance, you would see many middle aged people at Prince concerts in then 80s but would see many of them in the 2000s. I was a 26 year old who saw the Purple Rain tour at the Superdome, and I wasa among the oldest group. People in their 40s were not embracing Prince or other musical acts of the era for the most part.

I think there is good music out there to be found, but it is rarely on the radio. Most of the biggest acts the past 20 years are in the rap category, some talented and some are crap. Rap is not the musical genre that I typically listen to, so it is hard for me to really assess how good or bad the main ones are. It is like someone who grew up loving the music of the 40s and 50s who couldn't stand the rock music of the 60s. My parents nor their friends listened to contemporary music in the 60s and 70s unless it was Babara Steisand. Liza Minnilli, etc.

I think top 40 music has always had more crap than good songs, though the ratio might have been better in the 60s. I remember in the 70s m would look ay friends and I would look at the top 40 charts and typically identify just a couple of song we liked. Fortunately, there was better music available on AOR (mostly rock) and R&B radio. Even when we think of all the singles we liked from certain years, we are remembering the cream of the crop.

Today it takes a lot of effort to find good music unless you really like rap. For me, it is worth the effort because I have always preferred to play more current music than oldies. I think IFor instance, you would see many middle aged people at Prince concerts in then 80s but would see many of them in the 2000s. I was a 26 year old who saw the Purple Rain tour at the Superdome, and I wasa among the oldest group. People in their 40s were not embracing Prince or other musical acts of the era for the most part.

Well that is a lot to discuss here. I think the first thing you have to look at is the way it is made and also consumed and then also look at the vehicles that "play the music". Every era is different and has an identity but i think we can agree that the last two decades have no real "sound" or indentity. Eras that I lived through I feel I can discuss fairly and eras that i didnt like the 50's and 60's I can only comment on all that I have heard. First thing 50's- 90's all have a sound and can be identified pretty much. Having lived through the 70's that era clearly has a production sound to it, and also some of the greatest artists i feel ever. The 80's was the era where I started cultivating my own tastes because i was now buying music too, and because i was young i had to save each week and be sure what i wanted and it allowed me to delve into artists, also this era besides many things to identify it was the birth of visuals, MTV is in the picture and videos so now, artists were getting radio and video to help push them. 90's were also production and new things like Grunge and rap becoming huge and country too, but it also was the soundscan era where it was all about WEEK 1 what do i have to do to get to number one. As you move on you take the selling out of music it becomes about taking it, not wanting to pay for it, and then digital and then streaming etc.... I feel as the music has become easier to produce and get its lost something to it, theres great stuff out there as always but there is a huge production issue even with the big artists of today, but also i feel the absence of ALLOWING artists to grow is gone, if you are with a label and new you better sell right now or have something that can get us clicks, the rise of social media to todays artists i think helps in. a way but also its a huge issue when you are in everyones face for EVERYTHING. I do feel there is some kind of shift coming, this VINYL movement now is bringing something back, dont get me wrong alot of this sales are nostalgia and for collecting but also there is new albums selling and thats big because an album forces the buyer to LISTEN. If you go back to VINYL in the day you have this huge thing you bought well then we shrink it to a tape and a cd, but then now you have this untouchable product that gets added to your library that you dont even own if you stream you are RENTING you dont own anything so there is a disconnect despite this being a technological era that connects so many, does it really?

JayCrawford said:

gandorb said:

I think there is good music out there to be found, but it is rarely on the radio. Most of the biggest acts the past 20 years are in the rap category, some talented and some are crap. Rap is not the musical genre that I typically listen to, so it is hard for me to really assess how good or bad the main ones are. It is like someone who grew up loving the music of the 40s and 50s who couldn't stand the rock music of the 60s. My parents nor their friends listened to contemporary music in the 60s and 70s unless it was Babara Steisand. Liza Minnilli, etc.

I think top 40 music has always had more crap than good songs, though the ratio might have been better in the 60s. I remember in the 70s m would look ay friends and I would look at the top 40 charts and typically identify just a couple of song we liked. Fortunately, there was better music available on AOR (mostly rock) and R&B radio. Even when we think of all the singles we liked from certain years, we are remembering the cream of the crop.

Today it takes a lot of effort to find good music unless you really like rap. For me, it is worth the effort because I have always preferred to play more current music than oldies. I think IFor instance, you would see many middle aged people at Prince concerts in then 80s but would see many of them in the 2000s. I was a 26 year old who saw the Purple Rain tour at the Superdome, and I wasa among the oldest group. People in their 40s were not embracing Prince or other musical acts of the era for the most part.

Good stuff for seeing Prince live during his peak, I didn't see him live until 1988 Lovesexy tour August 88. Ah the 80s the last great decade for music. But I see what you're saying and you sound like my age so you'll understand this better. Throughout the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s we had so many legends who were dominating their era's with timeless albums and singles, they broke barriers like racial barriers, records etc etc, they made a cultural impact, so many historical moments happened then, so many innovative moments too. 50s-80s was the golden age of many genre's rock, soul, funk, pop, reggae, jazz and I'd even throw in disco (I loved disco back then lol but I had many white folks trying to beat me up for it 🤣). You and me saw most of it, I'm sure there are dozens of posters who are OUR ages too who can relate. If the person is younger than us, let's say the millennial generation then they wouldn't understand. The 90s, 00s and 10s didn't have this, it just went downhill and never recovered. RIP to music 50s-80s. Thanks for your input though 👍

Enjoyed both of your posts. I took the incredible music of the 60'-80's for granted, never thinking

it could become endangered.

Re: Millennials. I would imagine if they grew up with sophisticated musical parents who played quality, diverse music

on a frequent basis would likely have an understanding/appreciation of the 'older stuff.'

I am also not drawn to rap/hip hop but the other day while listening to a college radio station, the DJ played Queen Latifa's 'Ladies First," which I really dug; maybe it was the focus on lyrics/enunciation as well as beat.

Perhaps this is why I love The Black-Eyed Peas and Prince's 'rap'; Sexy MF, Face Down, Pussy Control (I know), Gett Off, etc.

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looby said:

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