JayCrawford said:

We have YouTube to reminisce on the golden ages.

There's also Youtube for new music. Like right now I like the remix to Savage by Megan Thee Stallion & Beyoncé and also Supalonely by Benee.

I like some of BTS' songs too. I'm not just stuck in the past.

onlyforaminute said:

Why hijack it?

Because I want new AND good stuff, that's why.

MickyDolenz said:

I like some of BTS' songs too. I'm not just stuck in the past.

Hey, I love "Dynamite" Electronic, but electronics done right - there's a tune in that song. If today's kids like THAT one, it's fine by me

domainator2010 said:

I don't know what you are talking about; my son and his friends grew up listening to all kinds of different music and played a wide variety in band, too.

onlyforaminute said:

domainator2010 said:

Because I want new AND good stuff, that's why.

I do too. But we had our time they gotta have theirs flaws and all.

If there weren't computers involved, I woulda agreed.

There's no *music education* in India, unless you go to a music class outside of school (which plenty people do).

domainator2010 said:

If there weren't computers involved, I woulda agreed.

People were using computers decades ago though

There's a Huge difference between people USING computers, and the bloody machines running algorithms by themselves! Huge. The difference between being a human and not.

What the actual fuck?

I just read two threads on here of total bullshit....

Wah, music is dead, it was so much better in my day, music now sucks, wah! The children, think of the children!'

JESUS.

Listen to yourselves you narrow-minded old farts.

The charts have always been filled with SHIT ever since they existed. The charts don't even exist in my world, I have no understanding of why anyone would ever listen to them. Ever.

They have nothing to do with music, and everything to do with business.

There's more music being produced now than at any other time in humankind's history, and you think it is all garbage?

Just because your own nostalgia meter swings into the red when you hear something from the 50s-80s, that doesn't mean it was the only era of good music.... I love plenty of music from that era but COME ON!!!! Wake up and start listening!

There's great music from every era, and shit music from every era, listen to the good stuff. Seek it out. Find it for yourself. That's the fun of it!

Rimshottbob said:

MickyDolenz said:

JayCrawford said:

Besides rap and rise of MTV music videos. What else? Because after the 80s it was just rehash throughout the 90s and 00s.

Grunge according to Rolling Stone magazine. Nirvana in particular.

My favorite bands from that era were Alice in Chains(although some consider them more metal than grunge) and Soundgarden. IMO, Layne Staley and Chris Cornell among rock's best vocalists.

domainator2010 said:

There's a Huge difference between people USING computers, and the bloody machines running algorithms by themselves! Huge. The difference between being a human and not.

Music is music to me. It doesn't matter if people are playing/singing, it's done by a player piano, a computer, or birds chirping. Does it make a difference if a car is assembled by hand or by a robot? It's still a car that people can drive.

MickyDolenz said:

domainator2010 said:

There's a Huge difference between people USING computers, and the bloody machines running algorithms by themselves! Huge. The difference between being a human and not.

Music is music to me. It doesn't matter if people are playing/singing, it's done by a player piano, a computer, or birds chirping. Does it make a difference if a car is assembled by hand or by a robot? It's still a car that people can drive.

as a motor vehicle, a car is a funtional and practical tool, not a piece of art...that was a horrible analogy you attempted

RJOrion said:

as a motor vehicle, a car is a funtional and practical tool, not a piece of art...that was a horrible analogy you attempted

But I don't think music is "art". That's what music snobs think. Art is paintings, statues, or drawings to me. I think music is entertainment.

MickyDolenz said:

RJOrion said:

as a motor vehicle, a car is a funtional and practical tool, not a piece of art...that was a horrible analogy you attempted

But I don't think music is "art". That's what music snobs think. Art is paintings, statues, or drawings to me. I think music is entertainment.

ok given that, so you are comparing audio and visual "entertainment" to a "functional and practical tool" of transportation... your analogy is clearly misplaced and ill conceived

RJOrion said:

ok given that, so you are comparing audio and visual "entertainment" to a "functional and practical tool" of transportation... your analogy is clearly misplaced and ill conceived

The other poster was saying computer music doesn't have a human touch. That makes no difference to me. A car can be entertainment. Don't people pay to watch cars go around in circles at NASCAR or go to monster truck shows? There's also art car shows. Anyway let's just agree to disagree. It's not that serious

They didn't grow up with complete style changes around every five years like we did. They were born in the 1990s when music had already turned to bullshit. The same shit dominates today that dominated when they were born with no real major style changes so bullshit is all they have ever known and all they will ever accept. I'm just glad that a lot of them are happy listening to their foolishness on their little phones so I can easily ground it out with my stereo and never have to hear their mess. I also hope they keep downloading and not buying songs so hopefully these bullshit so-called artists can eventually go broke. Hell, they don't deserve to be paid anyway since they have no musical ability.

MickyDolenz said:

domainator2010 said:

If there weren't computers involved, I woulda agreed.

People were using computers decades ago though

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I guarantee you, those computers don't sound weak and cheap like this Fisher Price sounding shit of today which barely taps. In other words, they didn't sound "shit hoppish". And they also used computers along with other instruments too, not just computers only.

vainandy said:

I guarantee you, those computers don't sound weak and cheap like this Fisher Price sounding shit of today which barely taps. In other words, they didn't sound "shit hoppish". And they also used computers along with other instruments too, not just computers only.

But Whitney Houston, Anita Baker, & Barbra Streisand records had instruments on them and no computers They're not hip hop either.

Rimshottbob said:

What the actual fuck?

I just read two threads on here of total bullshit....

Wah, music is dead, it was so much better in my day, music now sucks, wah! The children, think of the children!'

JESUS.

Listen to yourselves you narrow-minded old farts.

The charts have always been filled with SHIT ever since they existed. The charts don't even exist in my world, I have no understanding of why anyone would ever listen to them. Ever.

They have nothing to do with music, and everything to do with business.

There's more music being produced now than at any other time in humankind's history, and you think it is all garbage?

Just because your own nostalgia meter swings into the red when you hear something from the 50s-80s, that doesn't mean it was the only era of good music.... I love plenty of music from that era but COME ON!!!! Wake up and start listening!

There's great music from every era, and shit music from every era, listen to the good stuff. Seek it out. Find it for yourself. That's the fun of it!

I knew somebody was eventually going to say the ever famous "There's good new music but you have to look for it." comment. That's the problem right there, the fact that you have to seek it out and find it but you didn't previously have to. And what are you going to do when you eventually find it? Listen to it alone because nobody else has ever heard of it but yourself? Hell, that's masturbation.

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Hell, that may be all fine and well for straight people because most of them have been married for years when they get older so they've already trapped an old ball and chain at home to give it up to them when they get horny. But a whore like me has to depend on clubs to find somebody to take home and get lucky for the night. It would be a lot more fun if the music was actually good music being played in the clubs rather than bullshit because at least your money wouldn't have been totally wasted if you didn't get lucky that night. At least you would have had a good time musically. And if you do happen to get lucky and take someone home, do you think they are going to like hearing the music that you "searched and found"? Hell naw. They're going to want to hear more of that bullshit that they are used to hearing which makes me tell them..... "Look, hurry up and give me the dick so I can get you the hell out of here as soon as possible because you bore me.". So you see....it's very important that good music should still be in the mainstream. It's damn ridiculous that an old whore like me can still jam like a motherfucker when a younger generation couldn't even keep up with a fucking Lawrence Welk tempo in music.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

I guarantee you, those computers don't sound weak and cheap like this Fisher Price sounding shit of today which barely taps. In other words, they didn't sound "shit hoppish". And they also used computers along with other instruments too, not just computers only.

But Whitney Houston, Anita Baker, & Barbra Streisand records had instruments on them and no computers They're not hip hop either.

No, but they certainly paved the way for the slow shit hop tempo though.

vainandy said:

It would be a lot more fun if the music was actually good music being played in the clubs rather than bullshit because at least your money wouldn't have been totally wasted if you didn't get lucky that night.

Maybe you should go to the juke joint instead where they play stuff like Malaco Records or Z. Z. Hill, Denise LaSalle & Tyrone Davis

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

It would be a lot more fun if the music was actually good music being played in the clubs rather than bullshit because at least your money wouldn't have been totally wasted if you didn't get lucky that night.

Maybe you should go to the juke joint instead where they play stuff like Malaco Records or Z. Z. Hill, Denise LaSalle & Tyrone Davis

Hell, there ain't nothing in there for me. The dicks in there are all straight. Even if I did find one that fooled around, I have no desire to be "sopped up like a biscuit" or have my "bathwater drank".

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JayCrawford said:

Thank the lord for YouTube so I can look back on the good old days when it was actually great.

But that's no different than what most of the current Top 40 listeners are doing. You're not actually buying whatever it is like folks did decades ago, just streaming it. Drake & Cardi B is popular with streaming, not as much with CDs, records, & tapes. At least some of the young adult & teen buy new release records even though they cost $25 or more. There's even some new albums being released on cassette.

vainandy said:

They didn't grow up with complete style changes around every five years like we did. They were born in the 1990s when music had already turned to bullshit. The same shit dominates today that dominated when they were born with no real major style changes so bullshit is all they have ever known and all they will ever accept. I'm just glad that a lot of them are happy listening to their foolishness on their little phones so I can easily ground it out with my stereo and never have to hear their mess. I also hope they keep downloading and not buying songs so hopefully these bullshit so-called artists can eventually go broke. Hell, they don't deserve to be paid anyway since they have no musical ability.

vainandy said:

I knew somebody was eventually going to say the ever famous "There's good new music but you have to look for it." comment. That's the problem right there, the fact that you have to seek it out and find it but you didn't previously have to. And what are you going to do when you eventually find it? Listen to it alone because nobody else has ever heard of it but yourself? Hell, that's masturbation.

.

Hell, that may be all fine and well for straight people because most of them have been married for years when they get older so they've already trapped an old ball and chain at home to give it up to them when they get horny. But a whore like me has to depend on clubs to find somebody to take home and get lucky for the night. It would be a lot more fun if the music was actually good music being played in the clubs rather than bullshit because at least your money wouldn't have been totally wasted if you didn't get lucky that night. At least you would have had a good time musically. And if you do happen to get lucky and take someone home, do you think they are going to like hearing the music that you "searched and found"? Hell naw. They're going to want to hear more of that bullshit that they are used to hearing which makes me tell them..... "Look, hurry up and give me the dick so I can get you the hell out of here as soon as possible because you bore me.". So you see....it's very important that good music should still be in the mainstream. It's damn ridiculous that an old whore like me can still jam like a motherfucker when a younger generation couldn't even keep up with a fucking Lawrence Welk tempo in music.

Yep, back in the day you didn't have to search or go "underground" to hear great music....it was all over the place, on radio and in clubs. In NYC, we had WABC, WBLS, KISS, WKTU, WWRL....great music everywhere.

uPtoWnNY said:

vainandy said:

I knew somebody was eventually going to say the ever famous "There's good new music but you have to look for it." comment. That's the problem right there, the fact that you have to seek it out and find it but you didn't previously have to. And what are you going to do when you eventually find it? Listen to it alone because nobody else has ever heard of it but yourself? Hell, that's masturbation.

.

Hell, that may be all fine and well for straight people because most of them have been married for years when they get older so they've already trapped an old ball and chain at home to give it up to them when they get horny. But a whore like me has to depend on clubs to find somebody to take home and get lucky for the night. It would be a lot more fun if the music was actually good music being played in the clubs rather than bullshit because at least your money wouldn't have been totally wasted if you didn't get lucky that night. At least you would have had a good time musically. And if you do happen to get lucky and take someone home, do you think they are going to like hearing the music that you "searched and found"? Hell naw. They're going to want to hear more of that bullshit that they are used to hearing which makes me tell them..... "Look, hurry up and give me the dick so I can get you the hell out of here as soon as possible because you bore me.". So you see....it's very important that good music should still be in the mainstream. It's damn ridiculous that an old whore like me can still jam like a motherfucker when a younger generation couldn't even keep up with a fucking Lawrence Welk tempo in music.

Yep, back in the day you didn't have to search or go "underground" to hear great music....it was all over the place, on radio and in clubs. In NYC, we had WABC, WBLS, KISS, WKTU, WWRL....great music everywhere.

I think the younger Orgers would say that we 'old fogies' don't know where to look. LOL