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Reply #30 posted 11/14/20 7:41am

MotownSubdivis
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PatrickS77 said:



wilmer said:


I think I can sing better than Janet or Paula and I don't even have a singing voice biggrin


Not having a strong voice doesn't mean that you can't sing. To say that Janet can't sing is ludicrous.

I agree with this.

Like I said, it's about the emotion and energy with certain singers than it is their actual vocal ability. Beyonce (here we go...), as an example, is a great vocalist and many would say a good singer but as prominent as she's been in the R&B community, she lacks the soul and passion associated with the genre despite being technically talented.

On the other side you got someone like Post Malone... personally, I do not get this dude's appeal. Never mind that he looks homeless (and sings like it), I just don't get what people see in him as an artist. Recently, I got into a small exchange with some rando on Facebook who claimed that he (Post) was "the best singer" out there. Even in a music scene where we have a huge scarcity of actual vocalists, we got someone like Ariana Grande (who I mentioned as a counterpoint) and Rihanna (who he mentioned to try and counter my counterpoint), he (sorta) stood by Post being the best one out there. Apparently some people think he has what passes for "soul" these days which is why he can sound like he does yet get a pass because of his alleged emotive depth.

I find it morbidly interesting how it seems those same people who might undermine Janet and Madonna's accomplishments and talents because they aren't great vocalists will turn around and use the "vocalist VS singer" argument in defense of somebody now who offers the same or even far less as a singer (technically AND emotively).
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Reply #31 posted 11/14/20 8:43am

JoeBala
Cyndi and Madonna.
Just Music-No Categories-Enjoy It!
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Reply #32 posted 11/14/20 8:47am

Margot

Not sure why there is so much discussion and hand-wringing over 4 mediocre singers.

  • Why not be talking about great female singers (from all genres)?

-Billie Holiday

-Amy Winehouse

-Patsy Cline

-Maria Callas

-Aretha

I guess the thread is about the Cindy L, Janet etc., but I hope we know they were very average.

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Reply #33 posted 11/14/20 9:03am

MotownSubdivis
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Margot said:



Not sure why there is so much discussion and hand-wringing over 4 mediocre singers.


  • Why not be talking about great female singers (from all genres)?



-Billie Holiday



-Amy Winehouse



-Patsy Cline



-Maria Callas



-Aretha





I guess the thread is about the Cindy L, Janet etc., but I hope we know they were very average.


Why should we only talk about the absolute best of the best in just that single aspect of music? These 4 have their place just like the artists you mentioned and TC made a topic on those 4.

Nothing's stopping you from making your own topic, you know.
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Reply #34 posted 11/14/20 9:11am

Margot

MotownSubdivision said:

Margot said:

Not sure why there is so much discussion and hand-wringing over 4 mediocre singers.

  • Why not be talking about great female singers (from all genres)?

-Billie Holiday

-Amy Winehouse

-Patsy Cline

-Maria Callas

-Aretha

I guess the thread is about the Cindy L, Janet etc., but I hope we know they were very average.

Why should we only talk about the absolute best of the best in just that single aspect of music? These 4 have their place just like the artists you mentioned and TC made a topic on those 4. Nothing's stopping you from making your own topic, you know.

You are right.

I am sort of cranky as I am concerned that folks may think these singers are more than they are.

That's all.

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Reply #35 posted 11/14/20 9:31am

MickyDolenz

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MotownSubdivision said:

Post Malone...

He was on Jimmy Fallon's show last night

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #36 posted 11/14/20 9:48am

Empress

Margot said:



Not sure why there is so much discussion and hand-wringing over 4 mediocre singers.


  • Why not be talking about great female singers (from all genres)?



-Billie Holiday



-Amy Winehouse



-Patsy Cline



-Maria Callas



-Aretha





I guess the thread is about the Cindy L, Janet etc., but I hope we know they were very average.




The women you mention above have enormous talent. I'm a huge fan of all of them. Amy Winehouse was so unique. It's a shame drugs and alcohol took her away so young.
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Reply #37 posted 11/14/20 10:01am

RJOrion

Margot said:



Not sure why there is so much discussion and hand-wringing over 4 mediocre singers.


  • Why not be talking about great female singers (from all genres)?



-Billie Holiday



-Amy Winehouse



-Patsy Cline



-Maria Callas



-Aretha





I guess the thread is about the Cindy L, Janet etc., but I hope we know they were very average.




Aretha destroys evryone in that list
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Reply #38 posted 11/14/20 10:03am

RJOrion
not "Who's Zoomin Who" Aretha..."Call Me" Aretha
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Reply #39 posted 11/14/20 10:05am

MickyDolenz

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Margot said:

-Billie Holiday

-Amy Winehouse

-Patsy Cline

-Maria Callas

-Aretha

You must be new here. Because other than maybe Aretha, starting a thread about any of the others will likely get crickets. razz But Madonna & Janet threads are usually popular. At one point, anything about a member of the Jackson family could only be posted in a sticky thread, which was confusing to read. Individual threads would get closed by a mod.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #40 posted 11/14/20 5:18pm

Margot

RJOrion said:

Margot said:

Not sure why there is so much discussion and hand-wringing over 4 mediocre singers.

  • Why not be talking about great female singers (from all genres)?

-Billie Holiday

-Amy Winehouse

-Patsy Cline

-Maria Callas

-Aretha

I guess the thread is about the Cindy L, Janet etc., but I hope we know they were very average.

Aretha destroys evryone in that list

Maybe Amy is a stretch.

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Reply #41 posted 11/14/20 9:57pm

TrivialPursuit

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Cyndi

Janet

Madonna

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Paula. She's not a singer anyway. She's a dancer who capitalized on her popularity. Shit, even Cat couldn't ge her record released, and Paula did?!

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #42 posted 11/14/20 10:36pm

alphastreet
Another question, which ones ranked from popular to least popular?
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Reply #43 posted 11/15/20 4:04am

Hudson

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Madonna (huge domestic and global, two highest grossing tours for female artist, famous for other reasons than music)
Janet (huge domestic, less so globally)
Paula (six number ones, two smash albums, American Idol)
Cyndi
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Reply #44 posted 11/15/20 8:38am

MickyDolenz

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TrivialPursuit said:

She's a dancer who capitalized on her popularity.

Toni Basil, Jeffrey Daniel, Jody Watley, Jermaine Stewart, The Good Girls, etc were all originally dancers before making a record. They all came from Soul Train, except Toni. Toni did appear on Soul Train in the 1970s with her dance crew The Lockers. Toni was in The Monkees movie Head, dancing with Davy Jones. Patrice Rushen was also a Soul Train dancer in the early 1970s.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #45 posted 11/15/20 10:39am

namepeace

Margot said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Margot said: Why should we only talk about the absolute best of the best in just that single aspect of music? These 4 have their place just like the artists you mentioned and TC made a topic on those 4. Nothing's stopping you from making your own topic, you know.

You are right.

I am sort of cranky as I am concerned that folks may think these singers are more than they are.

That's all.


I see you're relatively new -- welcome to the Org -- so long-timers like myself can assure you. Put your concerns to rest.

Posts like these are designed to be read relatively. The original poster (OP) was specific by design. We've discussed music endlessly for a decade or two, and the tastes here are broad but refined.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #46 posted 11/15/20 1:25pm

Resolution

Can I take Tina, Whitney, Alicia & Celine in that order?

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Reply #47 posted 11/15/20 2:52pm

Goddess4Real

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1. Janet

2. Cyndi

3. Madonna

4. Paula

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
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Reply #48 posted 11/15/20 3:05pm

slyjackson

Margot said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Margot said: Why should we only talk about the absolute best of the best in just that single aspect of music? These 4 have their place just like the artists you mentioned and TC made a topic on those 4. Nothing's stopping you from making your own topic, you know.

You are right.

I am sort of cranky as I am concerned that folks may think these singers are more than they are.

That's all.

Your concerns are none of our business, that's the exit please.

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Reply #49 posted 11/15/20 3:31pm

beast44

RJOrion said:

1. Cyndi Lauper

2. Janet Jackson

3. Madonna

4. Paula Abdoo

same here

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Reply #50 posted 11/15/20 4:37pm

Margot

namepeace said:

Margot said:

You are right.

I am sort of cranky as I am concerned that folks may think these singers are more than they are.

That's all.


I see you're relatively new -- welcome to the Org -- so long-timers like myself can assure you. Put your concerns to rest.

Posts like these are designed to be read relatively. The original poster (OP) was specific by design. We've discussed music endlessly for a decade or two, and the tastes here are broad but refined.

I've been here 4.5 years under different screen name. I can now see that it was designed to be read relatively.

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Reply #51 posted 11/15/20 5:28pm

looby

Cyndi Lauper.

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Reply #52 posted 11/17/20 9:16am

hollywood0024

Empress said:

While all of these ladies have a few good songs, none of them have what I would call a good voice, so here goes....

Madonna
Cyndi
Janet
Paula

I thought you didn't like Madonna
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Reply #53 posted 11/20/20 4:26pm

wilmer

PatrickS77 said:



wilmer said:


I think I can sing better than Janet or Paula and I don't even have a singing voice biggrin


Not having a strong voice doesn't mean that you can't sing. To say that Janet can't sing is ludicrous.



I know you know I wasn't being entirely serious, at least about one of them. You usually say so-and-so can't sing and everybody knows what you mean by that. There's an implicit comparison in there. I love Janet's music but for me part of the appeal of her music is the music itself. She can sing but her vocals are weak and usually drowned out by the beat. I love her though. I personally don't like to use Freddy or Aretha to judge everybody else.
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Reply #54 posted 11/21/20 3:44am

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I'm not sure the word "talent" really applies to any of their voices...


Cyndi Lauper's "style" as such isn't really to my taste, but I definitely think she has the best pipes of the four.

Madonna is definitely second. Her natural voice was kinda nothing special, I think, but it always had a pleasant timbre that worked well in her field. Being Madonna, she was obsessively ambitious and worked really hard at it to improve it.

Janet Jackson and Paula Abdul both suck. Janet wouldn't have gotten a record deal if she wasn't Michael's sister, Paula Abdul wouldn't have been able to get a ticket to Janet's concert if she wasn't her dance instructor.

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Reply #55 posted 11/21/20 5:48pm

Free2BMe

ThePanther said:

I'm not sure the word "talent" really applies to any of their voices...


Cyndi Lauper's "style" as such isn't really to my taste, but I definitely think she has the best pipes of the four.

Madonna is definitely second. Her natural voice was kinda nothing special, I think, but it always had a pleasant timbre that worked well in her field. Being Madonna, she was obsessively ambitious and worked really hard at it to improve it.

Janet Jackson and Paula Abdul both suck. Janet wouldn't have gotten a record deal if she wasn't Michael's sister, Paula Abdul wouldn't have been able to get a ticket to Janet's concert if she wasn't her dance instructor.


yeahthat
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Reply #56 posted 12/06/20 6:00pm

Oshawott

Cyndi >>>>> Madonna > Paula > Janet

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Reply #57 posted 12/07/20 1:30am

phunkdaddy

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RJOrion said:

not "Who's Zoomin Who" Aretha..."Call Me" Aretha


I feel you. I really wasn't all that ecstatic about Aretha's voice post
Jump To It. I did like Who's Zoomin Who though. Aretha's best years were on
Atlantic.
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This funk is a serious joint
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Reply #58 posted 12/16/20 12:57pm

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Resolution said:

Can I take Tina, Whitney, Alicia & Celine in that order?

Alicia Myers? That's not a name I see often razz

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #59 posted 12/16/20 2:54pm

JayCrawford
All of them were garbage
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